Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 07:55:00 -
[1]
Am I right in thinking the new ship is recieving a RoF bonus and a resist bonus
Mixed with a nice 8-4-8 setup in my opinion this is going to be the ****
Ok so many have said without our nice amarr energy turret cap use bonus it wont be able to tank and gank... well boo hoo
The way I see it
Sniping - Increased dps over the geddon and keeping on par with the apoc's initial salvo damage (and beating it in dps) seems pretty sexy. Coupled with the nice slot layout means one could if they wanted to be lame achieve 200km+ AND 2-3 stabs. Lame ? Hell yes, but I fail to see any other module that will benefit me in a sniper setup once ive got my 3 tracking mods and 3 heat sink II's
Sentry tanking - Put quite simply.... Zomg, dps is going to be pretty sexy and with the ships nice built in EANII and a plate or two could make a very nice solo gank ship. And so it cant tank too well, nevermind. gank and run
I know the ships getting a lot of flames... but as a solo pirate im well looking forward to this Though something different would have been fun. Ie a drone boat or 5mid slot missile boat or something... meh
Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
|
Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 07:55:00 -
[2]
Am I right in thinking the new ship is recieving a RoF bonus and a resist bonus
Mixed with a nice 8-4-8 setup in my opinion this is going to be the ****
Ok so many have said without our nice amarr energy turret cap use bonus it wont be able to tank and gank... well boo hoo
The way I see it
Sniping - Increased dps over the geddon and keeping on par with the apoc's initial salvo damage (and beating it in dps) seems pretty sexy. Coupled with the nice slot layout means one could if they wanted to be lame achieve 200km+ AND 2-3 stabs. Lame ? Hell yes, but I fail to see any other module that will benefit me in a sniper setup once ive got my 3 tracking mods and 3 heat sink II's
Sentry tanking - Put quite simply.... Zomg, dps is going to be pretty sexy and with the ships nice built in EANII and a plate or two could make a very nice solo gank ship. And so it cant tank too well, nevermind. gank and run
I know the ships getting a lot of flames... but as a solo pirate im well looking forward to this Though something different would have been fun. Ie a drone boat or 5mid slot missile boat or something... meh
Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
|
Wicked Wisdom
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 08:17:00 -
[3]
First off, read the warp core stab changes before fitting them. Im just looking at the slot layout and Im thinking something like this:
Hi: 8 Mega Beam II Mids: Whatever, tracking comp, sensor booster, cap injector Lows: 2 reps, 2 EANM II, 1600mm plate, 2 heat sink II RCU if needed, if not, another heat sink?
Dont hurt me if the setup sucks
|
Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 08:22:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Wicked Wisdom First off, read the warp core stab changes before fitting them. Im just looking at the slot layout and Im thinking something like this:
Hi: 8 Mega Beam II Mids: Whatever, tracking comp, sensor booster, cap injector Lows: 2 reps, 2 EANM II, 1600mm plate, 2 heat sink II RCU if needed, if not, another heat sink?
Dont hurt me if the setup sucks
WCS nerf ahoy ? Sweet
And umm that wouldn't be very effective for empire sniping. I dont need to tank
I was thinking more
High's 8 Tachyon Beam Laser II
Mid's 3 Sensor Booster II 1 Tracking Comp II
Low's 3 Heat Sink II 2 Tracking Enhancer II 3 RCU II (Less if possible... but doughtfull lol )
Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
|
Wicked Wisdom
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 08:49:00 -
[5]
Yeah, when I pirated though, I never sniped, so I dont know much about it. I was always an upclose in your face kinda guy
|
Joder
Empire Assault Corp
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 08:53:00 -
[6]
is it really getting a ROF bonus cos that would be sweet
EAK Recruitment Thread
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 17:47:00 -
[7]
Abbadon. Secure can full of cap 800s. Low sec gate camp. Need I say more?
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
HippoKing
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 18:14:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Nyphur Abbadon. Secure can full of cap 800s. Low sec gate camp. Need I say more?
You can't use a can for sniping, but for close range, it's going to be obscene.
|
PriceCheckMax
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 20:32:00 -
[9]
8 tach
4 sensor booster
4 wcs 4 heat sink 2
target, f1-f8, watch until cap is empty, warp off, land in a SS
|
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:52:00 -
[10]
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur Abbadon. Secure can full of cap 800s. Low sec gate camp. Need I say more?
You can't use a can for sniping, but for close range, it's going to be obscene.
You can uyse a can for sniping but that's not what I'm suggesting, i am suggesting sitting on the gate. Do you have any idea how easy it will be to tank the sentries PLUS a battleship or two while still fielding a web and scram on that Abbadon? It's a broken ship and I am training an amarr alt just to use it.
It has 33% increased damage and 33% increased DPS tanked. The only downside is capacitor which, when you have an unlimited supply of cap 800s, is not a downside at all.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
|
HippoKing
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:58:00 -
[11]
Edited by: HippoKing on 26/07/2006 22:03:42
Originally by: PriceCheckMax 8 tach
4 sensor booster
4 wcs 4 heat sink 2
target, f1-f8, watch until cap is empty, warp off, land in a SS
And for my next trick, I'll pull powergrid out of my arse!
|
HippoKing
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 21:58:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur Abbadon. Secure can full of cap 800s. Low sec gate camp. Need I say more?
You can't use a can for sniping, but for close range, it's going to be obscene.
You can uyse a can for sniping but that's not what I'm suggesting, i am suggesting sitting on the gate. Do you have any idea how easy it will be to tank the sentries PLUS a battleship or two while still fielding a web and scram on that Abbadon? It's a broken ship and I am training an amarr alt just to use it..
True about the tanking/ganking ability.
As for "you can use a can for sniping", it will seem a much worse idea when someone right clicks on your can and hits "warp to 15km"
|
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 22:06:00 -
[13]
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur Abbadon. Secure can full of cap 800s. Low sec gate camp. Need I say more?
You can't use a can for sniping, but for close range, it's going to be obscene.
You can uyse a can for sniping but that's not what I'm suggesting, i am suggesting sitting on the gate. Do you have any idea how easy it will be to tank the sentries PLUS a battleship or two while still fielding a web and scram on that Abbadon? It's a broken ship and I am training an amarr alt just to use it..
True about the tanking/ganking ability.
As for "you can use a can for sniping", it will seem a much worse idea when someone right clicks on your can and hits "warp to 15km"
True true ^^;. I should write up an article on the abbadon.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 22:11:00 -
[14]
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur Abbadon. Secure can full of cap 800s. Low sec gate camp. Need I say more?
You can't use a can for sniping, but for close range, it's going to be obscene.
You can uyse a can for sniping but that's not what I'm suggesting, i am suggesting sitting on the gate. Do you have any idea how easy it will be to tank the sentries PLUS a battleship or two while still fielding a web and scram on that Abbadon? It's a broken ship and I am training an amarr alt just to use it..
True about the tanking/ganking ability.
As for "you can use a can for sniping", it will seem a much worse idea when someone right clicks on your can and hits "warp to 15km"
Have a buddy sit next to you cloaked in a Pilgrim.
Optionally have a couple dudes in Augorors or whatever transferring cap to you.
|
Verone
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 22:12:00 -
[15]
Can't wait to try the abaddon and the nxynopnohptoyfgoththron out...
This may just be the thing to get me back into flying battleships
It's gonna be fun trying them out.
VETO RECRUITMENT |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 22:25:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Berrik Radhok Have a buddy sit next to you cloaked in a Pilgrim.
Optionally have a couple dudes in Augorors or whatever transferring cap to you.
Nah, just have a ****ty iteron pilot eject the charges when you run out and you scoop em up.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Trepkos
Angel Deep Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 22:29:00 -
[17]
Heh, I can not even fathom the idea of flying anything like a T1 cruiser or frigate for piracy. I feel it restricts me from killing anything at a gate or anything bigger than a cruiser(battlecruiser at best) and maybe a noobish low sec mining battleship which happens about every blue moon.
Battleship Piracy FTW, Frigate Piracy FTL
Now back on topic, Do you honestly think the Abaddon will have the cap to push out decent DPS with its guns to outdamage a armageddon(Im talking 8 mega pulse IIs/Conflag) and still run a decent tank that an apocalypse is capable of. Struggling would be an understatement, even with a cap injector, your capacitor will not last very long without the 50% cap reduction bonuses that the armageddon and the apocalypse possess.
Basically if you're going to try for a ganka/tanka setup, you're just going to be half-arsed all around. A armageddon will outdamage you and an apocalypse will outtank you and you won't have the capacitor to hold a decent dual repairer tank for very long even with cap injectors.
Either you set it up for gank or you set it up for a dedicated tank. Do both and I will enjoy hours on end of laughing at your loss mails. --------
|
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 22:30:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Nyphur on 26/07/2006 22:31:22
Originally by: Trepkos Heh, I can not even fathom the idea of flying anything like a T1 cruiser or frigate for piracy. I feel it restricts me from killing anything at a gate or anything bigger than a cruiser(battlecruiser at best) and maybe a noobish low sec mining battleship which happens about every blue moon.
Battleship Piracy FTW, Frigate Piracy FTL
Verone hunts in frigate/cruiser packs. It is VERY effective. Solo, small ships are not so effective. EDIT: And about the Abbadon, just wait and see. I already have setups which can tank sentries with DPS tanked to spare and still have a full rack of guns.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Trepkos
Angel Deep Corporation
|
Posted - 2006.07.26 22:43:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 26/07/2006 22:31:22
Originally by: Trepkos Heh, I can not even fathom the idea of flying anything like a T1 cruiser or frigate for piracy. I feel it restricts me from killing anything at a gate or anything bigger than a cruiser(battlecruiser at best) and maybe a noobish low sec mining battleship which happens about every blue moon.
Battleship Piracy FTW, Frigate Piracy FTL
Verone hunts in frigate/cruiser packs. It is VERY effective. Solo, small ships are not so effective. EDIT: And about the Abbadon, just wait and see. I already have setups which can tank sentries with DPS tanked to spare and still have a full rack of guns.
My reply wasnt directed to Verone, just inty belt pirates in general.
And even though small frig fleets are effective, they are only effective at taking down single opponents are breaking up smaller squads consisting of bigger ships. Bring them up against a equal or bigger size force, you won't have chance unlike if you were flying in a semi-fleet of battleships.
Too many times I see people wanting to learn the basics of piracy and immediately being directed to the nearest rifter or kestrel. And I think they should know that there are different approaches to piracy and some of which I think are more entertaining than flying with eight other frigates ganking a lone battleship NPCing in Fade. --------
|
Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 06:43:00 -
[20]
Agreed with trep, Ganking a target with 10 frigs isn't much fun lol... Nor does it really teach you much except Numbers > shipclass x
I learnt in battleships under the retarded tuition of 0rigin... to be fair he was awfull But he did have balls
Back to topic, I cannot see that a single cap injector is going to keep your cap going with 8 Megapulse II /conflag. Cap usage will be obscene... but who cares. A plate on that thing and a hardener or two and im pretty sure I can just gank more stupid targets under sentry fire anyway
And whoever thinks they can mount 8 tachs and fit NO rcu's .... dream on
Alliaanna Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
|
|
Jim McGregor
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 09:04:00 -
[21]
It will be interesting to see if the uber tank on the Maelstrom can stand up to the Abaddon.
--- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 14:43:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Back to topic, I cannot see that a single cap injector is going to keep your cap going with 8 Megapulse II /conflag. Cap usage will be obscene... but who cares. A plate on that thing and a hardener or two and im pretty sure I can just gank more stupid targets under sentry fire anyway
And whoever thinks they can mount 8 tachs and fit NO rcu's .... dream on
Alliaanna
A single one, it won't. You need to fit two and sit around a can of cap injectors or have an indy friend beside you to drop them, otherwise you cannot run both the tank and the guns permanantly at the same time. You can, however, get away without the can and be just as effective for maybe 2 to 5 minutes. That means in short scale pvp, this ship wins everything. It also means that in planned camping, especially in low sec at gates with sentries, this ship wins everything.
They announced that they are giving it one mroe slot than the apoc and instead of leaning toward another low, they are leaning toward another mid. That means that rather than having it 8-4-8, they may release it 8-5-7. If it's 8-4-8, it's overpowered due to being able to tank super against the sentries and target while fitting a web and scram if it uses two injectors and being able to keep the tank running and spare the cap to let the guns off at targets enough to kill them with good skills if you only use one injector, mwd, web and scram. It'd be a tight fit but it'd work really well.
The problem is that they think this overpoweredness is going to be solved by fitting it 8-5-7 since it wouldn't have 8 lows. Unfortunately, that isn't true. It'd STILL tank way better than Apoc if it has 7 lows and even worse, you could now fit two injectors, mwd, web and scrambler. The ULTIMATE gatecamping pirate BS. To clarify, I'm talking about fitting a tank withput plates. On that can raw repair more damage than sentries will deal.
I worked this out na while ago and found I could do it with an apoc, but this ship has 33% more damage than an apoc and 33% more tank. Since then, I have forgotten how many sentries fire at you at a low sec gate. Is it 4?
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
goazer
Amarr
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 15:15:00 -
[23]
here is my thought on the matter. They say it possibly will get a 5th midslot. I hope it does then we could go
8 tachyons 3 multispecjammers, 1 warp scram, AB 1 armor rep Possibly 1 cpu mod(depending on the cpu it gets,2 tracking enhancers, 4 heatsink II's
i know it would eb a tight fit it really depends on if they give it that 5th midslot and the cpu of the ship but i would love that setup
|
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 16:03:00 -
[24]
Originally by: goazer here is my thought on the matter. They say it possibly will get a 5th midslot. I hope it does then we could go
8 tachyons 3 multispecjammers, 1 warp scram, AB 1 armor rep Possibly 1 cpu mod(depending on the cpu it gets,2 tracking enhancers, 4 heatsink II's
i know it would eb a tight fit it really depends on if they give it that 5th midslot and the cpu of the ship but i would love that setup
Seems a shame not to tank the ship well. No resistance gear means the 25% resistance bonus is somewhat wasted, The bonus isn't just 25% resistance, it's 25% resistance with no stacking penalty. That's a big bonus if you're tanking the thing well, equal to 33% increased damage per second tanked. With the low slots, it can fit a full tank and get a third more than an apoc can normally achieve.
And we still have to see how many turret slots it'll have but judging by graphics you'd be right about the 8. Which means your setup is a perfetly viable supergeddon. Will be interesting to see how it ends up when it comes out.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 17:53:00 -
[25]
Stats were several months old and are no longer valid.
--- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 18:01:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Stats were several months old and are no longer valid.
What stats? The ones they released in a devblog extremely recently?
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
HippoKing
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 18:19:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Jim McGregor Stats were several months old and are no longer valid.
What stats? The ones they released in a devblog extremely recently?
Slot layouts/stats/fittings pulled off SiSi
|
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 18:44:00 -
[28]
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Jim McGregor Stats were several months old and are no longer valid.
What stats? The ones they released in a devblog extremely recently?
Slot layouts/stats/fittings pulled off SiSi
I'm going off info in the devblog, haven't been on sisi.
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
|
Posted - 2006.07.27 22:36:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Jim McGregor Stats were several months old and are no longer valid.
What stats? The ones they released in a devblog extremely recently?
Slot layouts/stats/fittings pulled off SiSi
I'm going off info in the devblog, haven't been on sisi.
Well, there was a screenshot posted in Ships & Modules. Then we all rabbled about it for about a day until Tuxford showed up and said he enjoyed looking at us going all crazy over stats that were several months old and is no longer valid.
Anyway, the Caldari ship was insane as expected.
--- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
goazer
Amarr
|
Posted - 2006.07.28 01:19:00 -
[30]
Edited by: goazer on 28/07/2006 01:20:34
Originally by: Nyphur
Seems a shame not to tank the ship well. No resistance gear means the 25% resistance bonus is somewhat wasted, The bonus isn't just 25% resistance, it's 25% resistance with no stacking penalty. That's a big bonus if you're tanking the thing well, equal to 33% increased damage per second tanked. With the low slots, it can fit a full tank and get a third more than an apoc can normally achieve.
And we still have to see how many turret slots it'll have but judging by graphics you'd be right about the 8. Which means your setup is a perfetly viable supergeddon. Will be interesting to see how it ends up when it comes out.
while i agree from what i read it can do equally as well with a gank setup and i would utilize a great tank with it for most things but would love to go around 1v1 pwnin stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |