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Diane Chasseresse
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:21:00 -
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Hello,
I tried to watch EVE TV this week-end and even if I appreciate the effort CCP already put in this, the least I can say is that the result is pitiful with the technology we have nowadays. IMO, the guys who prepare and attend those events deserve better. The audience as well.
CCP, please consider a modern solution like VLC/Videolan (*) for EVE TV instead of relying on this crappy Windows Media player for efficient rendering. With VLC for example, the client would have access to a real TV network and would be able to record the events to see them later.
Thank you, Ambre.
(*) VLC/Videolan is a mature technology used by some ISP to provide television over the internet. It works quite well and is open source. Other similar solutions may exist.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:24:00 -
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A) EveTV was phenomenal, so shut the **** up.
B) What benefit would VLC provide to what they were doing anyway? ----------
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BeepBopBeep
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:25:00 -
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I agree, VLC ftw.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:30:00 -
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I think you should blame Microsoft. Im not entirely sure, but the codecs used by windows media player are probably not available to use with VLC.
Besides, doesnt VLC emulate codecs in software in some way?
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magickangaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn A) EveTV was phenomenal, so shut the **** up.
B) What benefit would VLC provide to what they were doing anyway?
that time of the month eh?
remeber deep breaths and think happy thoughts.
hes just making a sugestion
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Infrared Raven
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn A) EveTV was phenomenal, so shut the **** up.
Seriously, the quality of the stream sucked. Sometimes I wasn't sure if that status bar on the ship was grey or red. And if I remember correctly, they changed the stream from 5xx to 4xx kbit in the progress of the tourney, so it was even worse at the end.
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Torrence Osti
Northern Empire The Big Blue
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:43:00 -
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The quality of the stream was pooooor. It would've been better if the camera guy didn't franticly move the camera around every 15 seconds, but hey...
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spiralJunkie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:43:00 -
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i'm pretty sure people WERE using VLC to watch it
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CharlieMurphy
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 26/07/2006 14:44:59 there was nothing stopping you watching it on VLC i watched the whole thing on VLC
get the windows player link, rigth click and save it to your desktop and then just "open with"
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Misato Okalen
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:45:00 -
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Ahahah.
VLC uses, on Windows, the DirectMedia layer. It is accelerated by your GPU. WMP uses, on Windows, the DirectMedia layer. It is accelerated by your GPU.
Don't you know that VLC/WMP are just video players? If you have the correct codec, you can open the stream with VLC.
It is not because the stream says "windows media video" that you can't open it with another tool. You only need to have the correct codec installed.
K thx bye
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn A) EveTV was phenomenal, so shut the **** up.
1999 called, they want you to come back.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 26/07/2006 14:51:06
Originally by: magickangaroo
Originally by: Crumplecorn A) EveTV was phenomenal, so shut the **** up.
B) What benefit would VLC provide to what they were doing anyway?
that time of the month eh?
remeber deep breaths and think happy thoughts.
hes just making a sugestion
Incorrect: Originally by: Diane Chasseresse least I can say is that the result is pitiful with the technology we have nowadays
In fact he was complaining about the (excellent) job done by the Eve-TV crew, then offering a useless (and generic OMGzOPENSOURCEFTW) suggestion. ----------
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Infrared Raven
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 26/07/2006 14:51:06
Originally by: magickangaroo
Originally by: Crumplecorn A) EveTV was phenomenal, so shut the **** up.
B) What benefit would VLC provide to what they were doing anyway?
that time of the month eh?
remeber deep breaths and think happy thoughts.
hes just making a sugestion
Incorrect: Originally by: Diane Chasseresse least I can say is that the result is pitiful with the technology we have nowadays
In fact he was complaining about the (excellent) job done by the Eve-TV crew, then offering a useless (and generic OMGzOPENSOURCEFTW) suggestion.
WE are talking about the QUALITY of the STREAM.
WE are NOT talking about the QUALITY of the CONTENT.
STREAM != CONTENT.
CONTENT was gooooood. Stav 4tw...
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 14:56:00 -
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I'm pretty sure there was a devblog where LeMonde(?) asked if we prefered the lower quality for free or higher quality for a fee.
Everyone choose lower quality, now ppl are whining that their free stream (which only cost CCP cash and not you) wasnt good enough...
Come on it was free, how can you possibly complain and whine about something that costs you nothing. You didnt even have to watch it but you choose to watch the free stream that CCP gave you.
I give up
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Infrared Raven WE are talking about the QUALITY of the STREAM.
WE are NOT talking about the QUALITY of the CONTENT.
STREAM != CONTENT.
CONTENT was gooooood. Stav 4tw...
I didn't say anything about content. The OP complains about the job done by the EveTV guys wrt/software used (how this is more relevant than, say, bitrate I really don't know) and quality. EveTV was FTW, it was an Internet stream provided for free ffs, hence the 'STFU'. ----------
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Karunel
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:07:00 -
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Quote: i'm pretty sure people WERE using VLC to watch it
I was using VLC to stream it and it worked fine.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:43:00 -
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I was under the impression that most high compression codecs degraded in quality when there was lots of stuff happening on the screen at once - e.g. footage from a space battle :)
you'll notice that in the studio, the quality was crystal clear (little movement) or in the game capture if the camera was still and nothing was happening it looked better.
You can fiddle with the settings, boost the CPU and up the bandwidth - but eventually you end up with someth that is good 99% of the time but struggles with lots of fast moving action.
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Novarei
Ninth Column
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Novarei on 26/07/2006 15:47:25 errrmm... VLC and WMP are not broadcasting software, and to suggest that CCP broadcast a stream in a program specific codec is simply retarded.
VLC is a good program, but it has no bearing on broadband streaming you are referring to. As has been posted you can stream the data in vlc if you wish, however its seems you are confused between the codec and the client. Maybe suggest CCP use a different codec. And I think its a pretty good service from CCP to serve up that much bandwidth for an on the side event.
In short; Dont hate the client, hate the codec.
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Eternal Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:48:00 -
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The idea to live stream is at a lower bit rate was fine for a lot of people who wanted to "see" it live.
Myself due to work, I was unable to see any of the matches "Live".
I would have been happy for a delayed copy that was recorded in a MUCH MUCH higher quality to be put up a s a Torrent from CCP. Then we the users could have supplied 95% of the bandwidth for it.
Thankfully someone recorded most of the matches. I haven't seen a posting about this past weekends matches being recorded and put up as a torrent, but I assume they were simply delayed.
It was a great first effort by CCP and others, but it should be looked at as a learning experience for next year.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury The idea to live stream is at a lower bit rate was fine for a lot of people who wanted to "see" it live.
Myself due to work, I was unable to see any of the matches "Live".
I would have been happy for a delayed copy that was recorded in a MUCH MUCH higher quality to be put up a s a Torrent from CCP. Then we the users could have supplied 95% of the bandwidth for it.
Thankfully someone recorded most of the matches. I haven't seen a posting about this past weekends matches being recorded and put up as a torrent, but I assume they were simply delayed.
It was a great first effort by CCP and others, but it should be looked at as a learning experience for next year.
I know you can stream multiple different qualities at once - but a really high quality non-streamed version would be cool.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Syncore Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:57:00 -
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I would like to remind you all that CCP made a offer to the community which included high quality streams for a small fee, and lower quality streams for free. CCP solved it all by making pretty high quality streams anyway for free. That means CCP had increased costs on streams which they had to pay from their own wallet to give us!
Im sure everything could be better! But such things cost money! LOTS OF MONEY!!!!!!
Seeing what we got - for free - in addition!!! to see how much work CCP put into all this. I am proud to be part of such a game where the devs and the leaders gives so much back to the players! I have at least never ever seen or heard that with other online game companies!!!
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Alex Munro
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:03:00 -
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They could just offer two streams, one low quality for free and one HD for a small fee. That would satisfy everyone, right? If they charged slightly more than the bandwidth for the high quality version was costing them they could recoup some of the cost for the free stream as well.
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I would have been happy for a delayed copy that was recorded in a MUCH MUCH higher quality to be put up a s a Torrent from CCP. Then we the users could have supplied 95% of the bandwidth for it.
They're going to be selling a higher quality DVD. That would why they haven't put it all on torrents.
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magickangaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 26/07/2006 14:51:06
Originally by: magickangaroo
Originally by: Crumplecorn A) EveTV was phenomenal, so shut the **** up.
B) What benefit would VLC provide to what they were doing anyway?
that time of the month eh?
remeber deep breaths and think happy thoughts.
hes just making a sugestion
Incorrect: Originally by: Diane Chasseresse least I can say is that the result is pitiful with the technology we have nowadays
In fact he was complaining about the (excellent) job done by the Eve-TV crew, then offering a useless (and generic OMGzOPENSOURCEFTW) suggestion.
dude you got ur panties in a twist over some guy making a sugestion, and tbh to all the idiots going hah ha u can watch it in vlc as a server rather than a media player. maybe the op should clarify
Originally by: Misato Okalen Ahahah.
VLC uses, on Windows, the DirectMedia layer. It is accelerated by your GPU. WMP uses, on Windows, the DirectMedia layer. It is accelerated by your GPU.
Don't you know that VLC/WMP are just video players? If you have the correct codec, you can open the stream with VLC.
It is not because the stream says "windows media video" that you can't open it with another tool. You only need to have the correct codec installed.
K thx bye
u sir ***** me up. uve copied and pasted something u read on a forum somewhere to try and pretend you are leet and know what ur on about but havent realised youve probably got teh wrong end of the stick, quite literally.
people like you are why the forums suck at times.
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Shot Callista
Catalyst Reaction Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:11:00 -
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I used VLC to watch EveTV just fine thanks. -
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magickangaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Munro They could just offer two streams, one low quality for free and one HD for a small fee. That would satisfy everyone, right? If they charged slightly more than the bandwidth for the high quality version was costing them they could recoup some of the cost for the free stream as well.
i like that idea, best of both worlds and u can even havea gold/platinum package where u get the dvd ( or even a super duper bling package with a dvd signed by devs gms etc :D )
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VeNT
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: spiralJunkie i'm pretty sure people WERE using VLC to watch it
o/ I was.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:28:00 -
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Its funny watch people get PWNED and corrected then pretend it never happened....
If someone gives you something for free, dont complain about it, lest they take it away.
Quote: the least I can say is that the result is pitiful with the technology we have nowadays.
Thats just ungreatful and pompus, perhaps a lesson in manners would be usefull?
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robacz
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Diane Chasseresse Hello,
I tried to watch EVE TV this week-end and even if I appreciate the effort CCP already put in this, the least I can say is that the result is pitiful with the technology we have nowadays. IMO, the guys who prepare and attend those events deserve better. The audience as well.
CCP, please consider a modern solution like VLC/Videolan (*) for EVE TV instead of relying on this crappy Windows Media player for efficient rendering. With VLC for example, the client would have access to a real TV network and would be able to record the events to see them later.
Thank you, Ambre.
(*) VLC/Videolan is a mature technology used by some ISP to provide television over the internet. It works quite well and is open source. Other similar solutions may exist.
Hm considering most of Eve players use Windows, WMV is easiest solution for them, you just click and watch. TBH I would be lazy to download another app just to watch video from one website...
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arbitrary
Bad luck Clover Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:39:00 -
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Looking over what compression method they should use is a good suggestion though, for there are compression methods who do well with computer graphics and all the backgroudnd noise EVE produces, well better anyway; while it might still not be worth the switch as the standard formats who do well with anything.
It was still a good show though, but lets not go stale and say that it was perfect; we can always improve our lot and for the next tourney it wouldn't be a bad thing if they looked everything over that failed at points, one of those was the compression.
for those that wanna dig into varios formats you have a list of contaniner formats over at wikipedia and then just go from there.
But for the OP, you could watch it through VLC, damnit VLC is one of the best play anything players out there - the file ending shouldn't let you down, as it wont let VLC down.
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Lumel
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 16:48:00 -
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I dunno, I see a post from an exclamation mark using "marketspeak" and suggesting that brand X performs sparklingly and will clean your clothes and tuck the dog in to bed, I think to myself that it smells a little bit like free advertising. But then again, I could just be paranoid.
Caveats:
I no longer frequently read software sites and don't converse much with people that do, but I've never heard of the software before.
I did jump around to different streams when performance started to degrade on the one I was watching, but for the most part I found the stream to be watchable and understandable as far as what was going on. --- Knowledge won't help us understand |
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