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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver? Big isk payouts for no effort. Oh snap, no buff to highsec? But eve is dying highsec needs to be buffed ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.08.30 05:04:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.
The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.
So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?
If Burner missions were designed to encourage PvP yep, they failed. Ewar infested cheats and blanket tanks 90% while still having top dps and top speed. Burner frigates don't exist anywhere in EVE except in Burner missions.
As for people saying 'no effort', it takes over an hour to solo Serpentis Extravaganza 4, solo in a Navy Thron. Room 1 is all balster range, room two is all blaster range, room three switches out to 40 km rails range. You might need to do that how many times before a burner mission shows up? How much effort is enough effort? Oh that's right, we aren't all null bears in the blue donut so it doesn't count.
What was I expecting? Another bait and switch from CCP. Working as intended. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:36:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.
except the AI isn't smarter, and there isn't any variety. every mission is just 1 npc with inflated stats [to compensate for the lack of smarter AI].
i think, what people were expecting [or maybe just me] were missions that are similar to what we already have, except designed to be done in frigates rather than battleships.
that's kinda what "level 4 missions for frigates" implied. what was delivered, didn't really match up to that. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:24:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.
The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.
So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver? If Burner missions were designed to encourage PvP yep, they failed. Ewar infested cheats and blanket tanks 90% while still having top dps and top speed. Burner frigates don't exist anywhere in EVE except in Burner missions. As for people saying 'no effort', it takes over an hour to solo Serpentis Extravaganza 4, solo in a Navy Thron. Room 1 is all balster range, room two is all blaster range, room three switches out to 40 km rails range. You might need to do that how many times before a burner mission shows up? How much effort is enough effort? Oh that's right, we aren't all null bears in the blue donut so it doesn't count. What was I expecting? Another bait and switch from CCP. Working as intended. Odd, I run around in a mach and tend to go through stuff really fast, taking well under an hour for the extravaganzas Now that I decided to start burning the Zor hacker cards, Worlds collide is now even faster.
Might be that you arent applying dps well, I ditched a gyro and 100 DPS, slapped on a TE2 and now can volley frigs from 17km out, with a web from 14 in And I do all this in a way that gets gankers to leave me alone and search for the far more low hanging and blingy fruit (IE T2 all the way, never officer mods) Maybe that is the issue
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:35:00 -
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Having found one now I have to ask..
Whats the problem? Its a L4 you do in a frigate, end of. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
922
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Having found one now I have to ask..
Whats the problem? Its a L4 you do in a frigate, end of. People lack good frig skills, understanding of the importance of super webs, and in general the idea that you cant omnitank and even with the tried and proper fit, could still die to random chance and smashing into an lco
So basically just the how dare something be made that is borderline Kaizo trap !! Its not Kaizo as there are more than one fit for each and friends make it so you can easily win
I want to see a stream of a bunch of people killing one in rookie frigs just as a point
HEY BNI AND RVB, promotion opportunity here! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:45:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Having found one now I have to ask..
Whats the problem? Its a L4 you do in a frigate, end of. People lack good frig skills, understanding of the importance of super webs, and in general the idea that you cant omnitank and even with the tried and proper fit, could still die to random chance and smashing into an lco So basically just the how dare something be made that is borderline Kaizo trap !! Its not Kaizo as there are more than one fit for each and friends make it so you can easily win I want to see a stream of a bunch of people killing one in rookie frigs just as a point HEY BNI AND RVB, promotion opportunity here!
Lol trudat
But then
How many new players lose their first BS in a L4? Im sure plenty of BSes are lost due to poor rushes for the top. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Bullock Brawn
Brawny Inc
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:00:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.
The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.
So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?
I think they're AMAZING and a GREAT step in the right direction for PVE in this game. I have not done one yet, but have read that they are difficult, and watched a view youtube videos... Being hard is perfect.
Next will be
Level 1, 2, 3 Burner missions that will be easier, so just be patient.
Anything they do for PVE in this game that is not just the same thing re-wrapped is a good thing.
Be happy!
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:50:00 -
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I was hoping for some missions that were fun with a AI running on new mechanics... Instead I got this overpowered frigate that takes atleast 500 million isk worth of equipment to run |
Keldor Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.06 06:02:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Burner missions feel somewhat like a tech demo for a possible new NPC AI and design philosophy. Then again I may be overly optimistic.
I know CCP Fozzie mentioned they wanted to iterate on them depending on how they work out. He also tweeted proudly about them killing somewhere around 1400 capsuleers with about ~300 burners killed.Too lazy to find links but you can look it up. Anyway point being he also had mentioned the possibility of more and maybe cruiser missions as a possibility.
My hope is they will consider how many capsuleers are doing this in pairs or at least people using their own multiple accounts and design future content with this in mind.
EG: The cruiser burner mission giver tasks you with going to tackle and destroy a beefy T2 hauler tanked like a burner. When you tackle it, it triggers two more burner rats maybe from a random pool or maybe the mission giver tells you in advance what you are getting like now. Maybe two ashimmu for the blood raiders or something. Just something to give a good challenge for a small group of carebears.
My best hopeness would be that they make the rats do ewar and logi. If the capsuleers fail to keep the hauler tackled it warps off and they lose the loot, and have to fail the mission. Bumping to keep the hauler from warping as a last resort i suppose haha. Emergent gameplay could emerge from people stealing loot, ganking or ransoming missions to the mission runners i suppose, which could enhance the challenge aspect i guess, haha.
Who knows what CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie are cooking up. As an Oregonian I am proud of Rise and i expect great things from him.
These missions are something worth pursuing as a new standard of PVE content from CCP. I suppose for people who enjoy the floating fortress shooting crosses they can always keep those old level fours but this is a new avenue for more interesting content. It looks like a bit of an isk sink for some of the participants ;) I have a mind to fit a salvaging astero and stalk burner runners waiting to scavenge their corpses for loot.
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
964
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Posted - 2014.09.06 06:20:00 -
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Answering OP's question:
"What were people wanting from Burner missions?"
A way to let them print tons of ISK without any real risk at all, and failing that, a new way to cry on the forums about sociopaths who shoot their spaceship in a game that features shooting spaceships as one of it's core principles.
Am I rite?
Did I do it good? :P |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:51:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:ITT: people who are mad about people who are mad about burner missions.
such mad that's called being metamad President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:13:00 -
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Cameron Freerunner wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the sun, moon and stars all bear my seal
+1 (ya beat me to it)
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:16:00 -
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I was disappointed, because I was hoping for something other than the current Tank tons of DPS, while bringing as much DPS as possible playstyle level 4s currently have. I was hoping they would be as susceptible to damps, tracking disruption, and cap warfare as a regular ship.
They are a big step up the chain as far as a solo challenge is concerned. That Gurista guy was managing to get missed by both my guns and all 5 drones while I burned straight away to minimize transversal. Could not even begin to touch him, missed every single shot for several minutes before running out of range of his warp disruptor and he turned and blapped my drones without effort as I finally warped away. I'm not sure how a shield tanked MWD ship managed a sig that small, but cool.
Their over inflated stats do encourage group play, which is a good thing. I was just really hoping that they would allow more varied tactics like bringing Logi or ewar frigs to the fight instead of Moar DPS being the only really effective way to deal with them.
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