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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Corphus
Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike
the vet will do twice the dmg tho
But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :)
Oh, and not everyone in GS is a newb in the sense of having under 1m SP. I've been around this game for quite a bit myself and have cross-trained both Gallente and Caldari so the Rokh seems like it could be a nice addition.
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Vice Royy
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.28 21:07:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Vice Royy on 28/07/2006 21:07:45
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Corphus
Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike
the vet will do twice the dmg tho
But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :)
And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors.
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FATE LOL
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Royy Edited by: Vice Royy on 28/07/2006 21:07:45
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Corphus
Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike
the vet will do twice the dmg tho
But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :)
And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors.
Do you get angry much? Forum Warriors are good for one thing, laughs. And you make me laugh.
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Eloryan Persago
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.28 21:40:00 -
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At the moment March newbies (ones without portraits on this here forum *cough*) are getting into T1 Battleships, I would say by the time the ship comes out most will be T2 Weaponary capable.
Also I am more interested in the price really, I am guessing around ~130mil average retail for one, now with the Turret Points and the tank, who is going to buy a hulk anymore?
Anyway, the ship will definately be handy, I am more depressed Gallente did not get a Scorpion-Like Sensor Dampening ship, sort of an anti-sniper to counter this ship _________________________________________ Anything posted by this character does not represent Goonfleet and/or Goonswarm, anything said which may offend you was probably said because I meant it |
Treylis
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.28 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Royy And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure we lose every fight where we outnumber the enemy 15:1.
Good heavens, sometimes I'm not sure if you people even believe yourselves.
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.07.29 16:46:00 -
[66]
Originally by: The Mittani Alektorophobia are anything but low-sp.
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Cap Jonaz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cap Jonaz on 29/07/2006 17:21:11
Originally by: Vice Royy
And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs.
Goons are noobs, good one.
Me and my t2 rails are eagerly awaiting the release of the new Caldari BS :)
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Hisa Me
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Posted - 2006.07.30 11:44:00 -
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Whys everyone so paranoid about what the goons are doing? Oh noes they can shoot there guns further with new battle ships!!1! wow cool, now run for your lives! and hide your wifes ....
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Idunyken
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.30 13:09:00 -
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uhm, I dunno if this has been changed or not but last I checked the caldari teir 3 has only has 6 turret slots. Sure it's going to have range but the gallente teir three looks like it'll still be better to me.
About the 'it's going to be easier to snipe with lower skills' I reiterate the point many have made that t1 long range ammo does very little damage compared to t2. And on the empire low-sec front short range BS that can actually tackle their prey and tank the sentries will still be more deadly.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.30 13:35:00 -
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If indeed it allows people without T2 gun skills to get to 249km range, it is a boost to goons, as well as everybody else without the inclination to learn T2 gun skills.
And yes, T2 gun skills will do a lot more damage at that long range, but its still good to be able to reach at least that far, even if an opponent with more skills still has a distinct advantage. At least the frustration about your enemies always being out of range is gone then
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Idunyken
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.30 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco If indeed it allows people without T2 gun skills to get to 249km range, it is a boost to goons, as well as everybody else without the inclination to learn T2 gun skills.
And yes, T2 gun skills will do a lot more damage at that long range, but its still good to be able to reach at least that far, even if an opponent with more skills still has a distinct advantage. At least the frustration about your enemies always being out of range is gone then
and replaced by the frustration of not being able to do enough damage to kill them before they kill you
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Mister Qwerty
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.30 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Idunyken and replaced by the frustration of not being able to do enough damage to kill them before they kill you
I have a hunch that DPS won't be as big of an issue when there are like 20 Rokhs in gang.
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Ghitza
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Posted - 2006.07.30 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cap Jonaz Edited by: Cap Jonaz on 29/07/2006 17:21:11
Originally by: Vice Royy
And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs.
Goons are noobs, good one.
Me and my t2 rails are eagerly awaiting the release of the new Caldari BS :)
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Sir, please show me who is good PvPer in GF. I havent seen any, and ive fought with you for around 4 months. Its not a flame its just normal observation. Ive fogught with other guys and seen their skills in playing. You can say BOB guys are good in PvP and mostly they know what to do but GF ppl are just to simple to kill even in blobs (yes its sniping time with bubles). Sir, give me names.
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Ast3r0iD
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.30 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Qwerty
Originally by: Idunyken and replaced by the frustration of not being able to do enough damage to kill them before they kill you
I have a hunch that DPS won't be as big of an issue when there are like 20 Rokhs in gang.
The thing i see most interesting in its fleet uses are its defensive capabilities. With the right economic backing you could build your own t1 rokh, t1 guns, t1 ammo and t1 fitting and STILL be effective in fleet combat.
Sure you wont be AS good, but you could have a stockpile of ships that could be built there that as soon as you die you could get back in. Add to this the fact that with a t1 fitting and the insurance gap each ship will cost you around 20 mil if its popped and fleet combat just got cheap and easy in a defensive position.
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Y Ashanti
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Posted - 2006.07.30 17:08:00 -
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The 40%+ damage advantage you get from t2 ammo is still gonna be well worth it though.
At closer range, Rokhs (with t2 guns, ammo and what-not) are gonna be even more devastating with all those EW slots though.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.30 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ghitza
Sir, please show me who is good PvPer in GF.
I don't want to give you names, but even goons have people with excellent kill:death ratios, and we have a few members who specialise in soloing interceptors whilst flying t1 frigates.
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Smith
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC.
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Crivens
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.30 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Crivens on 30/07/2006 18:02:54
Originally by: Smith Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC.
Do you think a roving gang can be effective without a (good) cov-ops? My experience is somewhat smaller than yours, but I have found that excellent warp ins tend to be more decisive (or devastating, if you're on the recieving end) than who is leading the gang itself.
Though now I think about it, that's a rather "short term" view, when I suppose the FC has to work over a longer period than that.
(to clarify, this is somewhat tangental to your comment- i'm not suggesting a good cov-ops makes up for having a terrible FC)
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DeadDuck
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.30 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Smith Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC.
So true.
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Gareth Brynne
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.30 18:35:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Gareth Brynne on 30/07/2006 18:36:02
Originally by: Vice Royy Edited by: Vice Royy on 28/07/2006 21:07:45
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Corphus
Originally by: Imode noob in a rokh firing iron != veteran in a megathron firing spike
the vet will do twice the dmg tho
But the vet will be outnumbered 5:1 :)
And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs. It was seen hows goon gangs (~15) run when they were fighting 2 GOOD PvPers. Nothing will help them, some goon spams here making me laugh. Forum wariors.
LOL GS noobs. You really need to open your eyes. One day, we won't be "noobs" any longer. The SP of our pilots keep going up, ya know, and the past month or so has been one gigantic PvP marathon the promises to continue for awhile longer. We also don't really care if we lose 10 T1 frigates to knock out T2 laden HACs and BSes.
To get back on track, I severely dislike sniping. All it does is make fleet combat into a series of warp in and warp out type strategies, each fleet attempting to get on top of the other and hope to snipe a handful of ships. Now it will be that much easier because Caldari can do it without having to train the arduous skill path that is T2 large guns. They might not be as damaging as a fleet of T2 snipers, but there can be way more of them at cheaper costs.
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Idunyken
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.30 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crivens Edited by: Crivens on 30/07/2006 18:02:54
Originally by: Smith Edited by: Smith on 30/07/2006 17:50:43 One thing I learnt from over 3 years of eve...what ship you have doesn't mean alot if you don't have a good FC.
Do you think a roving gang can be effective without a (good) cov-ops? My experience is somewhat smaller than yours, but I have found that excellent warp ins tend to be more decisive (or devastating, if you're on the recieving end) than who is leading the gang itself.
Though now I think about it, that's a rather "short term" view, when I suppose the FC has to work over a longer period than that.
(to clarify, this is somewhat tangental to your comment- i'm not suggesting a good cov-ops makes up for having a terrible FC)
You're getting there.
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Ast3r0iD
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.30 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gareth Brynne
To get back on track, I severely dislike sniping. All it does is make fleet combat into a series of warp in and warp out type strategies, each fleet attempting to get on top of the other and hope to snipe a handful of ships. Quote:
TBH it doesn't really matter what you like. Its about game mechanics changes and sometimes that overwhelmes skill. If you can ignore tom cruises shoddy acting long enough to watch the last samuri you'll get the idea of what kali will bring. The longer range fights become, the less skill is involved and it really does become compleatly intertwined with the skill of the fleet commander and his cov ops, knowing when and where to commit.
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mynnna
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ast3r0iD
Originally by: Gareth Brynne
To get back on track, I severely dislike sniping. All it does is make fleet combat into a series of warp in and warp out type strategies, each fleet attempting to get on top of the other and hope to snipe a handful of ships. Quote:
TBH it doesn't really matter what you like. Its about game mechanics changes and sometimes that overwhelmes skill. If you can ignore tom cruises shoddy acting long enough to watch the last samuri you'll get the idea of what kali will bring. The longer range fights become, the less skill is involved and it really does become compleatly intertwined with the skill of the fleet commander and his cov ops, knowing when and where to commit.
Unless they nerf range, like has been rumored before. :P
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ShadowImage
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.30 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Royy
And vet will still win, because noobs are noobs.
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Vice%20Royy Hmmm.
Originally by: Ghitza
Sir, please show me who is good PvPer in GF. I havent seen any, and ive fought with you for around 4 months.
http://killboard.goonfleet.com//player/Ghitza Hmmm.
Perhaps you two are both thinking of a different goonfleet of some sort? Because it's either that, or you both have no idea what you're talking about, and you're just trolling.
Anyone want to take wagers on which of these options is true?
I've combed through my own statistics, and I can't seem to find either one of you anywhere on them. http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/ShadowImage
Either way, yes, I am a noob. Yes, I have killed many vets. Yes, I have died to many vets.
However, since the vets are the only people who count, I'll direct you to an EVE Mail I received from one of the most respectable enemies I've ever encountered. This is from a BOB/Evolution guy who came at me 1 on 1 in NM-OEA not long ago:
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2006.06.13 04:10 Nice job. Was out looking to play and you gave it to me. Good fair kill.
You two could learn a lot from this type of player.
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.30 21:38:00 -
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I think overall this ship WILL be a boost to lower SP players, and certainly make it a bit more interesting for fleets that previously could attack at 200km+ without much risk.
Whether it is a boost for goons in particular though remains to be seen. In my opinion Goons will fall back to there T1 frig roots as soon as they are faced with any organised opposing force, and try win on the economic front.
Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that the ships goons can fly is quite diverse. But there strategy to date has been based around the use of cheap T1 ships allowing them to claim victory even in defeat, I don't see that changing in the near future.
Happy to be proved wrong though :)
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Alvinas
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.30 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:54:49 Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:51:34
Originally by: Ghitza Sir, give me names.
Since you simply MUST have proof
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Isaac%20Jordik/kills http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Cefte/kills
I think you'll see some nice solo kills by both of these guys. Cefte is known for solo'ing things quite well in just a Rifter.
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PC5
Bermuda Syndrome
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Posted - 2006.07.30 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alvinas Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:54:49 Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:51:34
Originally by: Ghitza Sir, give me names.
Since you simply MUST have proof
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Isaac%20Jordik/kills http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Cefte/kills
I think you'll see some nice solo kills by both of these guys. Cefte is known for solo'ing things quite well in just a Rifter.
Excuse me but this guy is lame. It dosent matter if he even have zilion kills. Hes using 2 WCSes on Vagabond. Proof or STFU? Killmail One WCS in cargo. That guy is "OMG NO". But im more than happy if i see that someone from GF is doing solo/smal group PvP. Keep it up, you need better ppl.
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Tetsujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 22:30:00 -
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It never fails. Someone always sees a warp core stabilizer and screams 'LAME!' You use hardeners to protect against damage, if you're a fast ship you use an afterburner or a microwarp drive to increase spead and counteract the tracking of enemy turrets, how is using a countermeasure to electronic warfare any different? Don't answer that because your answer would be silly.
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Cattraknoff
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.30 22:32:00 -
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Well, seeing as CCP is nerfing WCS in combat, it seems the game developers themselves disagree with you.
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ShadowImage
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.30 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: PC5
Originally by: Alvinas Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:54:49 Edited by: Alvinas on 30/07/2006 21:51:34
Originally by: Ghitza Sir, give me names.
Since you simply MUST have proof
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Isaac%20Jordik/kills http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/Cefte/kills
I think you'll see some nice solo kills by both of these guys. Cefte is known for solo'ing things quite well in just a Rifter.
Excuse me but this guy is lame. It dosent matter if he even have zilion kills. Hes using 2 WCSes on Vagabond. Proof or STFU? Killmail One WCS in cargo. That guy is "OMG NO". But im more than happy if i see that someone from GF is doing solo/smal group PvP. Keep it up, you need better ppl.
I hate to feed the trolls and further derail this thread, but what's so bad about stabs? You seem to like them yourself.
http://killboard.goonfleet.com/mail/2600 http://killboard.goonfleet.com/mail/6615
I think I'd probably say that solo fighting a stab would be a stupid move. It doesn't even matter if he has a zillion kills. That's not a statement made out of intelligence, that's a statement made out of bitterness.
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