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Trefnis
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tervaga 8/6/6 for the Mael's shield tank seems fine to me. Considering the Raven is 8/6/5, and the Mael has better shield hp and recharge...
And the Hyperion will prolly rely more on webs and tracking comps, burning more medium slots up.
with raven you dont need to lose one mid for web and one for speed mod(even fighting bses)
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
No, not even with sugar on top.
You also got 6800 base shield, and of course, the 7 medium slots. Enjoy...
Ta. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:18:00 -
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Well looking at those stats I can say that the Megathron is a FAR better blaster platform than the Hyperion. What's the point of 8 turrets when you have 19062 grid, is the Hyperion supose to shield tank?.
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SengH
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Well looking at those stats I can say that the Megathron is a FAR better blaster platform than the Hyperion. What's the point of 8 turrets when you have 19062 grid, is the Hyperion supose to shield tank?.
at least you dont have to use the maelstrom, thats looking like a bigger steaming pile of crap by the minute.
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Tervaga
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tervaga on 27/07/2006 12:23:36
Originally by: Aloysius Knight you can't compare a teir 2 ship to a tier 3
rok (meh who cares what its called, its a caldardi POS) shiel recharge base 6800/2000 =3.4
maelstorm (yay!) 6400 /1500 = 4.2
and mael will need tracking comps i mean hello arty ?
Yes yes, I know I compared a tier 2 to tier 3, but it still applies. A Tier 3 shield tank should probably be that little bit better than a Tier 2 shield tank right? Well it is. And considering how there have been whines here and there about how the Raven's tank is OTT sometimes...
The Hyperion/tracking comp comment was purely directed towards the question of why it would need more medium slots than the Mega. Or more accurately, post #4 in this thread. I hadn't really thought about the Mael needing them though. I mean, I haven't quite gotten around to flying a Matar ship yet (working on it).
And yay for the Mael's recharge rate ^_^
Quote: with raven you dont need to lose one mid for web and one for speed mod(even fighting bses)
Is going fast necessarily a requirement for the Maelstrom if, say, you're not using autocannons? And the need for a web is maybe debateable, since you could have a friendly do the webbing for you.
You could essentially say you required a target painter on a torp raven, but not everybody's going to use one.
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Norris Neophitus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:22:00 -
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More targets and an extra mid slot or i'm never paying the massive price for one of these over rated lumps of junk + a bit more resistance might be nice + smallest cargo bay except for abadd and that dont even need ammo hmmmm
CCP will pay for this Mark my words CCP will pay
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tervaga Edited by: Tervaga on 27/07/2006 12:23:36
Originally by: Aloysius Knight you can't compare a teir 2 ship to a tier 3
rok (meh who cares what its called, its a caldardi POS) shiel recharge base 6800/2000 =3.4
maelstorm (yay!) 6400 /1500 = 4.2
and mael will need tracking comps i mean hello arty ?
Yes yes, I know I compared a tier 2 to tier 3, but it still applies. A Tier 3 shield tank should probably be that little bit better than a Tier 2 shield tank right? Well it is. And considering how there have been whines here and there about how the Raven's tank is OTT sometimes...
The Hyperion/tracking comp comment was purely directed towards the question of why it would need more medium slots than the Mega. Or more accurately, post #4 in this thread. I hadn't really thought about the Mael needing them though. I mean, I haven't quite gotten around to flying a Matar ship yet (working on it).
And yay for the Mael's recharge rate ^_^
Quote: with raven you dont need to lose one mid for web and one for speed mod(even fighting bses)
Is going fast necessarily a requirement for the Maelstrom if, say, you're not using autocannons? And the need for a web is maybe debateable, since you could have a friendly do the webbing for you.
You could essentially say you required a target painter on a torp raven, but not everybody's going to use one.
well then you ahve never seen how much arty miss, and that 7th mid turns the rok into a betta tanker the the mael if i think right
you can wack a boost amp in there and bam your like the maelstorm but have more shields more resistances and more range
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Kazaam
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kazaam on 27/07/2006 12:39:05 Edited by: Kazaam on 27/07/2006 12:35:59 Being Caldari, Rokh doesn't seem that bad to fit 8x 425mm II : CPU = 690, with Electronics 5 = 862.5 Powergrid = 15500, with Engineering 5 = 19375 With BS 4
CPU : 77 x 8 = 616. Sounds fair.
Powergrid : 2625 x 8 = 21000. K, already a bit of a problem here. Will need Adv. Weapon upgrades 3 or 4 to have some grid left for the rest.
If it stays 8/7/5, I think i'd fit a fleet Rokh that way :
High : 8x 425mm Railgun II [40x Spike L] (Ofc, pointless fitting something else here)
Med : 2x Sensor Booster II 2x Tracking Computer II 1x Passive EM II 1x Passive Thermal II 1x Invul Field II
Low : 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x 1600mm II 1x Damage Control Unit _________________________________________
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Tervaga
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aloysius Knight well then you ahve never seen how much arty miss
No, I haven't. That's what I get for spending my time training to use a Raven, only to change my mind once I finally get there
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SengH
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:27:00 -
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ccp might as well replace the capacitor on the rohk UI with a giant IWIN button.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/07/2006 12:35:32
The Hyperion has a speed of 130 currently, and 100.000.000 mass. So the Tempest is still a little faster with speed 140 and a mass of 102.500.000. However, seeing as the Hyperion has one extra medium slot over the Tempest, it will be very scary.
I never thought I would see a fast and light blaster ship with more medium slots than a autocannon minmatar one. Dont really see the balance here...
And yes, im comparing with a tier 2 ship here. The Maelstrom with its 115 base speed will probably never become successful as a autocannon platform.
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tervaga
Originally by: Aloysius Knight well then you ahve never seen how much arty miss
No, I haven't. That's what I get for spending my time training to use a Raven, only to change my mind once I finally get there
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yeah and also raven never miss's in reguards to shooting bs, if your in lockable range it will hit you for max damg everytime all the time, with typhoon tempest and maelstom you get under its range or move faster then there guns can hit you there boned
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 27/07/2006 12:43:52 If the maelstrom goes in like that, it will become the new old Typhoon. You cannot shieldtank a gunship properly with only 6 medslots (coz you got things like tracking any transversal which need to be countered with medslot items as opposed to missiles who don't need such support). I am sure that if you could do it, the Fleet Tempest would be a lot more popular. The extreme mass and slow speed will make it handle like a brick and is in no way justified if it does not get proper stats. And only being able to hold 3 must be a joke, right? Also, the lowered shield recharge time strikes me as stupid seeing how it gets a shield boost bonus, more or less requiring an active tank in order to use your bonus (hence the Typhoon similarity, might end up being fitted ignoring one bonus). Now if the Mael got the resistance bonus and the Rokh got the boost bonus, this would make more sense. It also has the lowest sensor strength of the bunch.
All in all I don't see any reason to use the ship in that picture over a Tempest. The ship itself will likely be more expensive. You have to fork out more money for two additional guns that give you the same DPS as a tempest while losing your NOSes. You get a better alpha strike and 25m¦ more drones, but you lose versatility as ACs will really not be very feasible on that kind of brick. You will end up with the same armor tank as 6 medslots are not enough for a good shieldtank on a gunship. So you lose one bonus. And you get the abovementioned drawbacks. So what would be the point of getting a Mael? One more Multispec Jammer?
I would not even mind if it had 8/7/4 slots and thus one less slot total than the others. But this 8/6/6 halfassedness really irks me. Then again the phoon is kinda useful now so I guess the Maelstrom HAS to suck :(
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Laboratus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/07/2006 12:34:16
The Hyperion has a speed of 130 currently, and 100.000.000 mass. So the Tempest is still a little faster with speed 140 and a mass of 102.500.000. However, seeing as the Hyperion has one extra medium slot over the Tempest, it will be very scary.
I was rather hoping it would be around 10% faster and 10% lighter than other close range ships. Oh, well. We all gotto learn to live with disapointments. Mind control and tin hats |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
I was rather hoping it would be around 10% faster and 10% lighter than other close range ships. Oh, well. We all gotto learn to live with disapointments.
Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
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Aloysius Knight
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Laboratus
I was rather hoping it would be around 10% faster and 10% lighter than other close range ships. Oh, well. We all gotto learn to live with disapointments.
Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
no no no your using the wroung word, *****is more like it
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Severa Crest
Railgun Voodoo II
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/07/2006 12:35:32
The Hyperion has a speed of 130 currently, and 100.000.000 mass. So the Tempest is still a little faster with speed 140 and a mass of 102.500.000. However, seeing as the Hyperion has one extra medium slot over the Tempest, it will be very scary.
I never thought I would see a fast and light blaster ship with more medium slots than a autocannon minmatar one. Dont really see the balance here...
And yes, im comparing with a tier 2 ship here. The Maelstrom with its 115 base speed will probably never become successful as a autocannon platform.
Indeed, the Hyperion has the best damage + it has the speed and agility to really bring it.
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Galomier
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:41:00 -
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The speed on the hyperion is laughable. An extra 5 m/s over the megathron, wow... wear a seat belt grandma... The hyperion is supposed to be much faster not marginally faster. I have a bad taste in my mouth of how this ship is going to turn out, with it being slower than a tempest. My feeling would be to bump it up to 140 or idealy 150, so it can serve its role as "get in and duke it out heavy hitter", not the "limp half way across the field to the future spot where your wreckage will lay."
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Laboratus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Laboratus
I was rather hoping it would be around 10% faster and 10% lighter than other close range ships. Oh, well. We all gotto learn to live with disapointments.
Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
From what the devs said before, I got the impression the ship would be very fast and very light. So that it would be an agile blaster boat. Mind control and tin hats |
Severa Crest
Railgun Voodoo II
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Galomier The speed on the hyperion is laughable. An extra 5 m/s over the megathron, wow... wear a seat belt grandma... The hyperion is supposed to be much faster not marginally faster. I have a bad taste in my mouth of how this ship is going to turn out, with it being slower than a tempest. My feeling would be to bump it up to 140 or idealy 150, so it can serve its role as "get in and duke it out heavy hitter", not the "limp half way across the field to the future spot where your wreckage will lay."
Mega is already slower than tempest and it pwns it (albeit with broken t2 ammo)
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SengH
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Galomier The speed on the hyperion is laughable. An extra 5 m/s over the megathron, wow... wear a seat belt grandma... The hyperion is supposed to be much faster not marginally faster. I have a bad taste in my mouth of how this ship is going to turn out, with it being slower than a tempest. My feeling would be to bump it up to 140 or idealy 150, so it can serve its role as "get in and duke it out heavy hitter", not the "limp half way across the field to the future spot where your wreckage will lay."
look @ the mass...
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Severa Crest
Railgun Voodoo II
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Laboratus
I was rather hoping it would be around 10% faster and 10% lighter than other close range ships. Oh, well. We all gotto learn to live with disapointments.
Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
From what the devs said before, I got the impression the ship would be very fast and very light. So that it would be an agile blaster boat.
Can you really see balance in having all that damage and being able to easily and quickly get into range?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Galomier The speed on the hyperion is laughable. An extra 5 m/s over the megathron, wow... wear a seat belt grandma... The hyperion is supposed to be much faster not marginally faster. I have a bad taste in my mouth of how this ship is going to turn out, with it being slower than a tempest. My feeling would be to bump it up to 140 or idealy 150, so it can serve its role as "get in and duke it out heavy hitter", not the "limp half way across the field to the future spot where your wreckage will lay."
look @ the mass...
Exacly. Dont forget the mass, its very important. A low mass is how minmatar used to have the most speedy, agile battleships before Hyperion. Its the combination of speed and mass that makes the ship act speedy.
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Ozzie Asrail
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:44:00 -
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woa looks nice.
The hype could do with a little more base speed i'd of thought, might not be too bad with the lighter mass i guess. The mwd bonus combined with the extra 1260 cap might actually mean it can get into a fight without using a whole reload of 800's. This thing is going to be great in pure gank.
8x neuts mwd, 7.5k, 20k, web, cap booster, tracking comp Lar, DCU, EAN, Magstab x 3
Rohk will be very nice for fleets but higher mass and slower speed than raven its gonna be painfull flying in small gangs. That cap looks a little low to work with 8 rails + active tank, gonna be passive all the way on this. Same recharge as raven yet +800 shields. Nice targetting range but sucky scan res as usual.
8x 425mm 2x Sensor booster, 1x Tracking Comp, 2x Invuln, 2x L Extender 2x Magstab, 2x Tracking Enhancer, 1x DCU
Dont fly amarr or min yet so not sure about their fittings but the abadan will have a mean tank, possibly make most of resists and only a single large rep with gank and cap mods? Meal someting similar to the rohk with a xl booster and amp instead of the extenders and maybe another dmg mod in lows?
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Omatje
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:44:00 -
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I truly hope these stats are far off.
barf@rapoc A Minmatar ship that handles like a pregnant cow on valium is soo very wrong
hmm...
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Stanis
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:44:00 -
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Huh this is wierd
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Severa Crest
Railgun Voodoo II
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Severa Crest on 27/07/2006 12:47:26 My Mael setup..
8 x 800 autos
mwd, various ew, 2 x cap booster
3 x LAR, 3 x hards
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8 x 800 autos
mwd, xl sb, 2 x inv, web, scram
2 x gyro, 4 x nano
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
Only because people will use standard 4 blaster Mids + 2x ECM and ecm Drones. 6 Low slots is not enough to armor tank effectivly so people will probably just Max gank it with Ions. Hurray for another Gallente ecm abuser.
Anyhoo I'm still extremely sceptical that these stats will go live, they just look so unfinished and completely unballanced.
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Laboratus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Severa Crest
Can you really see balance in having all that damage and being able to easily and quickly get into range?
The blaster boats suffer greatly from low falloff ranges, and as such it is much more crucial to get that agility than with autocannons. Thus, maybe. Oh well. Mind control and tin hats |
SengH
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 27/07/2006 12:49:37
Originally by: Severa Crest Edited by: Severa Crest on 27/07/2006 12:47:26 My Mael setup..
8 x 800 autos
mwd, various ew, 2 x cap booster
3 x LAR, 3 x hards
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8 x 800 autos
mwd, xl sb, 2 x inv, web, scram
2 x gyro, 4 x nano
Run into Nosdomi or pretty much every other closeranged ship with nos = wallet blinking!
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