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Norris Neophitus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:49:00 -
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Ok wierd stat for you all, dont know if anyone noticed or cared but the maelstrom is the smallest ship by 250km3 yet it ways as much as the rest of them so?
Did those pesky caldari and amarr steel all our sylramic fibers and replace them with lead
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Severa Crest
Railgun Voodoo II
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:51:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Severa Crest
Can you really see balance in having all that damage and being able to easily and quickly get into range?
The blaster boats suffer greatly from low falloff ranges, and as such it is much more crucial to get that agility than with autocannons. Thus, maybe. Oh well.
That is the risk of using blasters though. You could fit rails for much better range, but you tradeoff the damage output. With the advent of the Hyperion, my ships wont be able to outdamage OR outrun your ship, hence you pwn me every time.
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Severa Crest
Railgun Voodoo II
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: SengH Edited by: SengH on 27/07/2006 12:49:37
Originally by: Severa Crest Edited by: Severa Crest on 27/07/2006 12:47:26 My Mael setup..
8 x 800 autos
mwd, various ew, 2 x cap booster
3 x LAR, 3 x hards
or
8 x 800 autos
mwd, xl sb, 2 x inv, web, scram
2 x gyro, 4 x nano
Run into Nosdomi or pretty much every other closeranged ship with nos = wallet blinking!
Yep it doesnt do anything better than the tempest, but I'm guessing we're gonna have to work with this lump.
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:54:00 -
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give the maelstrom 7 meds
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Gariuys
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Jim McGregor Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
Only because people will use standard 4 blaster Mids + 2x ECM and ecm Drones. 6 Low slots is not enough to armor tank effectivly so people will probably just Max gank it with Ions. Hurray for another Gallente ecm abuser.
Anyhoo I'm still extremely sceptical that these stats will go live, they just look so unfinished and completely unballanced.
Yep.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Jim McGregor Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
Only because people will use standard 4 blaster Mids + 2x ECM and ecm Drones. 6 Low slots is not enough to armor tank effectivly so people will probably just Max gank it with Ions. Hurray for another Gallente ecm abuser.
Anyhoo I'm still extremely sceptical that these stats will go live, they just look so unfinished and completely unballanced.
Yep.
Personally i think they will. Its definently not balanced in my opinion either, but I can definently see this being introduced anyway.
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SengH
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Jim McGregor Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
Only because people will use standard 4 blaster Mids + 2x ECM and ecm Drones. 6 Low slots is not enough to armor tank effectivly so people will probably just Max gank it with Ions. Hurray for another Gallente ecm abuser.
Anyhoo I'm still extremely sceptical that these stats will go live, they just look so unfinished and completely unballanced.
Thats what they said about tech 2 ammo....
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Jerick Ludhowe
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Thats what they said about tech 2 ammo....
It's the beggining of the end
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Norris Neophitus Ok wierd stat for you all, dont know if anyone noticed or cared but the maelstrom is the smallest ship by 250km3 yet it ways as much as the rest of them so?
Did those pesky caldari and amarr steel all our sylramic fibers and replace them with lead
Minmatars are noted for being dense
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Jim McGregor Not sure why you are disappointed... the Hyperion will beat a AC tempest easily.
Only because people will use standard 4 blaster Mids + 2x ECM and ecm Drones. 6 Low slots is not enough to armor tank effectivly so people will probably just Max gank it with Ions. Hurray for another Gallente ecm abuser.
Anyhoo I'm still extremely sceptical that these stats will go live, they just look so unfinished and completely unballanced.
Yep.
Personally i think they will. Its definently not balanced in my opinion either, but I can definently see this being introduced anyway.
well we are waiting for ecm nerf
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Melkor Bloodaxe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Norris Neophitus Ok wierd stat for you all, dont know if anyone noticed or cared but the maelstrom is the smallest ship by 250km3 yet it ways as much as the rest of them so?
Did those pesky caldari and amarr steel all our sylramic fibers and replace them with lead
Bit strange indeed: Tempest: 850.000 m3 and 102500000 kg Typhoon: 920.000 m3 and 100.000.000 kg Maelstrom: 850.000 m3 and 125.000.000 kg
Mael seems a bit off if you look at it... ____ "Since when is justified killing more fun than random killing?" -HippoKing-
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/07/2006 12:05:09
I stole this from Chribba in another thread. Think it deserves its own thread.
Screenshot
Rokh - 8/7/5 Hyperion - 8/6/6 Maelstrom - 8/6/6 Abaddon - 8/4/8
This is just preliminary though. Looks like the Caldari took the slot layout I wanted for the Maelstrom. Go figure.
Edit 1: However, the Maelstrom has shield recharge time 1500. The others 2000. Not sure how much that will help it. It might make a really good passive tank.
Edit 2: The Maelstrom also have a 100 m3 drone bay together with Abaddon. Hyperion has 75 and Rokh 50. One heavy drone is 25 m3, so do the math.
Edit 3: The speed of the ships are quite similar. 110 for Abaddon and Rokh, 115 for Maelstrom and 130 for Hyperion.
Edit 4: Cargo space. The Hyperion gets a massive 675 cargo space. The Rokh is second with 625, and Maelstorm and Abaddon are left with 550 and 525. Not really sure of the reasons for the big differences here. I guess having bigger drone bays mean less cargo space.
grimpak's take on the ships:
1 - If Maelstorm will be that sluggish, I would replace the ROF bonus for a dmg bonus. That way it would be more proficient at long range bombardment. Also give him the 7th med slot. And also could use a few more points in the sensor strenght. And only 3 max targets??
2 - The Abbadon could use a bit more cap. 5800 cap is good?
3 - The Rohk seems pretty powerfull as it is. The speed and mass provides the counterbalance needed for avoiding it to become a blaster ship (wich is pretty much overpowered imho)
4 - Wtf is with the Hyperion? I would cut the meds down to 5 and give 1 more low and increase the grid to 16500.
oh and btw: to the people saying that altho preliminary, this is the final config of the ships: BC's were changed before they went live. Actually, I think it was the worst pre-nerfing I ever saw, so don't say that they won't change the ships. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Nafri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:39:00 -
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Well those layouts look quite final
and it kinda supports my worst expectations.
Caldari tank >>>> minmatar tank caldari usefullness >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minmatar usefullness caldari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others
And I say this with caldari BS lvl5
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Jojin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:49:00 -
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It seems a lot of current methods of setup are being applied to the new ships and not working out too well. Perhaps we will get some insight from the developers as to how they intended the ships to be used and it might make more sense as to the setups. From what was stated the ships are necessarily supposed to be better than the others, but they are supposed to have a niche role in which they excel.
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jojin It seems a lot of current methods of setup are being applied to the new ships and not working out too well. Perhaps we will get some insight from the developers as to how they intended the ships to be used and it might make more sense as to the setups. From what was stated the ships are necessarily supposed to be better than the others, but they are supposed to have a niche role in which they excel.
Well, I don't know about everybody else, but I know how to fit my Abaddon for PvE already. I don't know as yet if it'll be more effective than a Geddon/Apoc, but if it can be, I'll make it do it. Geddon struggles with cap, Apoc struggles with DPS, the new Abaddon, well, we shall see :)
As for PvP, I generally speaking come up with my own setups. Sure lots of the time they come out very close to other peoples, but a lot of the fun in the game is trying to squeeze more out of your ship than the other guy, so when you start shooting him he ends up in a pod.
I'm reserving judgement on the Abaddon until it comes out. Although the two things I'd like to see on it are the extra midslot over the Geddon (i.e. 8/4/8 rather than 8/3/8) and the ROF bonus changed to a damage bonus (don't worry, it won't beat the Tempest for alpha!).
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
Originally by: Jojin It seems a lot of current methods of setup are being applied to the new ships and not working out too well. Perhaps we will get some insight from the developers as to how they intended the ships to be used and it might make more sense as to the setups. From what was stated the ships are necessarily supposed to be better than the others, but they are supposed to have a niche role in which they excel.
Well, I don't know about everybody else, but I know how to fit my Abaddon for PvE already. I don't know as yet if it'll be more effective than a Geddon/Apoc, but if it can be, I'll make it do it. Geddon struggles with cap, Apoc struggles with DPS, the new Abaddon, well, we shall see :)
As for PvP, I generally speaking come up with my own setups. Sure lots of the time they come out very close to other peoples, but a lot of the fun in the game is trying to squeeze more out of your ship than the other guy, so when you start shooting him he ends up in a pod.
I'm reserving judgement on the Abaddon until it comes out. Although the two things I'd like to see on it are the extra midslot over the Geddon (i.e. 8/4/8 rather than 8/3/8) and the ROF bonus changed to a damage bonus (don't worry, it won't beat the Tempest for alpha!).
It won't; FOR PVE - FORGET IT when you have to tank for more than 2 minutes you WON'T be able to run both tank and your turrets EVEN with 4 t2 cap rech in med slots.
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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:34:00 -
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Assuming those stats are at least somewhat accurate and what people have been saying about Abaddon and dual large electrochems and the stuff about Abaddon using cap charges as proverbial ammunition it seems like that Amarr is truly getting some odd "love": It can hold only 13 cap charge 800:s in its cargo hold while Rokh can have 15, Hyperion 16 and Maelstorm also 13.
This forum misses the emoticon I'd like to now put here. It's the one that has really wacky looking irregular shaped eyes. ________________________________________________
Originally by: Nidhoggur How could I possibly be wrong, using the figures directly from Eve?
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas Assuming those stats are at least somewhat accurate and what people have been saying about Abaddon and dual large electrochems and the stuff about Abaddon using cap charges as proverbial ammunition it seems like that Amarr is truly getting some odd "love": It can hold only 13 cap charge 800:s in its cargo hold while Rokh can have 15, Hyperion 16 and Maelstorm also 13.
This forum misses the emoticon I'd like to now put here. It's the one that has really wacky looking irregular shaped eyes.
What? Cap boosters? EH? CANADA? WITH A ******* CARGO BAY OF 500M3? You can carry about 11 800s, so what? PVE with that setup?
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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Ather Ialeas Assuming those stats are at least somewhat accurate and what people have been saying about Abaddon and dual large electrochems and the stuff about Abaddon using cap charges as proverbial ammunition it seems like that Amarr is truly getting some odd "love": It can hold only 13 cap charge 800:s in its cargo hold while Rokh can have 15, Hyperion 16 and Maelstorm also 13.
This forum misses the emoticon I'd like to now put here. It's the one that has really wacky looking irregular shaped eyes.
What? Cap boosters? EH? CANADA? WITH A ******* CARGO BAY OF 500M3? You can carry about 11 800s, so what? PVE with that setup?
I assume this is a flame post...well anyways, I would NEVER fit a capbooster to any of my ships (I love my sustainable cap ) but it's just one of the things people have been yabbering about Abaddon's total gank fit. Spat out something like 1200dps for 60 seconds and then just died or smth like that. ________________________________________________
Originally by: Nidhoggur How could I possibly be wrong, using the figures directly from Eve?
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:42:00 -
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omg look how much max targets Maelstrom has i think this is joke .....
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Ather Ialeas Assuming those stats are at least somewhat accurate and what people have been saying about Abaddon and dual large electrochems and the stuff about Abaddon using cap charges as proverbial ammunition it seems like that Amarr is truly getting some odd "love": It can hold only 13 cap charge 800:s in its cargo hold while Rokh can have 15, Hyperion 16 and Maelstorm also 13.
This forum misses the emoticon I'd like to now put here. It's the one that has really wacky looking irregular shaped eyes.
What? Cap boosters? EH? CANADA? WITH A ******* CARGO BAY OF 500M3? You can carry about 11 800s, so what? PVE with that setup?
I assume this is a flame post...well anyways, I would NEVER fit a capbooster to any of my ships (I love my sustainable cap ) but it's just one of the things people have been yabbering about Abaddon's total gank fit. Spat out something like 1200dps for 60 seconds and then just died or smth like that.
It wasn't a flame post I'm just a liiiiiiittle bit surprised what the amateurs did to tier 3, and clearly - THEY WERENT MADE BY OLD SKOOL DEVS; we know our moms and dads, but sadly, this is becoming into a: get as many players into the game, minimal staff, new ships, trinkets -- but but but -- PLAYER'S VIEW DOES NOT MATTER ANYMORE?.!?
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
It won't; FOR PVE - FORGET IT when you have to tank for more than 2 minutes you WON'T be able to run both tank and your turrets EVEN with 4 t2 cap rech in med slots.
Dorry to burst your whining bubble.
But here's the way I see it, my Apoc for my own personal use.
Compare it to the Abba. (Yes, that's what it's going to be called, Mamma Mia)
You gain 25% DPS. You gain 25% resists. You (might) gain 1 midslot. You gain some fitting. You gain some base cap.
You lose 25% cap. You lose cap efficiency on lasers.
I run my Apoc with 2 specific hardeners and 3 damage mods.
I take the third damage mod off, counter that with the 25% damage bonus and I'm still doing more damage.
I can now fit my tank (Core X type repper) and 8 mega beams since if it's got any extra powergrid at all it'll fit that, so I get a teensy wee damage boost.
For tanking Guristas I use 2 kinetic hardeners, 55%ers, I've got officer ones somewhere, but they're overkill, 55ers do it fine.
I get an unstacking penalised 25% boost to my kinetic resist, and to my thermal resist. Guess what I'm dropping, that's right, a hardener.
So now I'm doing a touch more damage than the Apoc, and I have 3 free slots - and horrible cap.
Assuming a modest 5% capacitor increase over the Apoc. (Less than the difference in base stats between the geddon and the apoc).
I now have 105% apoc base cap - the apoc bonus takes it to 125% I then stick on 3 cap mods. 181% of the Apocs cap.
Here's where my figures stop, I don't have any more. But I'm thinking that 181 compared to 125 makes up for the extra cap I use on my lasers.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:54:00 -
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Well, the hyperion sucks more and more the more info I get. Atleast the other races gets interesting BSes (how good they are for PvP and PvE remains to be seen), but we already know by now that hyperion will be 100% sucky for missions and most PvE, and pretty sucky in PvP even for close range.
Is there a reason why CCP gives Caldari every best ships, and nerf Gallente?
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Hydrian Alante
The Loot Company
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Hydrian Alante on 27/07/2006 14:59:15 Edited by: Hydrian Alante on 27/07/2006 14:57:30 15250 grid on the Hype makes baby hydrian cry.
LOL the Hyperion is the only BS which has a lower Powergrid compared to a lower tier one. CCP you must be kidding?
Another Gallente ship which canŠt fit neutrons without gimping the whole setup. Why are neutron blasters in the game anyway? And with 6 crappy low slots you even canŠt fit the needed 2 RCU II.
And the only Battleship which seems fine to me is the Caldari one. I just dislike the name. It should be called "Caldari 4tw" or "The-I-Win-Button" or "Pwnmobile"
It is the only one in this whole lineup which has good damage, tank and range. All other ships have to make sacrifices.
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Azerrad
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:01:00 -
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These are just the placeholder stats that have been around forever, yes? If so they are probably nothing like the final figures and really isn't worth even discussing.
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Callistus
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:03:00 -
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Not sure about the Hyperion yet... I don't mind the slot layout; extra mids give room for a tracking computer on top of the standard mwd, web, scram injector and you still have one slot spare to add some flexibility.
6 lows is enough for a decent tank but it leaves little room for damage mods. The PG, which is slightly lower than the Megathron, means there's not much chance of fitting anything larger than ions and those lows mean sacrificing a damage mod if you want to maintain the same tank you'd have on the Mega. However the extra gun, plus the cpu to fit T2 ions without running into serious fitting issues could mean its not too bad.
(Though I haven't yet done the maths to see if the cpu is enough to support those extra mids and T2 ions... it might actually be rather tight) --------------
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Crux Australis
MotorSaikol LadrUNZ
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:04:00 -
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Lol at the new Typhoon.
Seriously... just lol (if these are final stats ofc). - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Originally by: Frezik Detaurus isn't a person. It's a state of mind.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Millennium
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:05:00 -
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That's what everyone said when t2 ammo was on the test server market. We're 8 months in the future and we still have that bullsh!t on Sisi.
I wouldn't be surprised if these ships go live with the stats they have now.
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Tonya Nastee
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:05:00 -
[89]
Well i hope those stats are far from finished or fitting the hyperion will be bloody impossible.
after fitting 8 neutron blaster cannon II (with AWU lvl 5) MWD II heavy elec cap injector Large armor rep II
you owe -3376,1 PG and have 179,25 cpu with 4 med slots + 5 low slots left to fill
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:05:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Azerrad These are just the placeholder stats that have been around forever, yes? If so they are probably nothing like the final figures and really isn't worth even discussing.
Discuss NOW, or if you don't know ccp, discuss and whine after they will be released - but then, expect a bonus change/slot layout change in 9 months.
Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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