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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 05:08:26 They are all cool. This is a serious post. This my main. I do not speak for Goonswarm and I am not a director. I only speak for myself.
I certainly hope Goonswarm doesn't swarm this thread. And I hope Bob can cool their heads long enough to listen.
I have been a member of Goonswarm for 3 months. A lot of them are cool guys, a few of them like to stir up trouble. I am sure every alliance and corp have these kinds of people in them. An unfunny joke was told and exposed to these forums. I personally am sorry this happened and I do honestly feel remorse for any of Smoske's friends and family that were exposed to it. But, to be honest I didn't even know the whole story on Smoske until this whole issue came to a head. Most of the Goons do not either. It happened before our time. I didn't even know the meaning of the offending signature. I came to play a game. I even enjoy reading the politics! It is interesting. But this level of hostility crosses the line, on all 3 sides.
I just ask the parties in involved to take a step back, breathe, and try to put the genie back in the bottle. Shooting each other in a space ship game is for fun! Shooting each in a space ship game in hatred isn't.
Please Please Please Goonswarm forum warriors, do not post in this thread. These are my feelings and mine alone.
Once again, I do not speak for Goonswarm. These are my thoughts alone.
I hope my words show at least a little merit for consideration. At least keep the smack out of this thread. For the Mods sake.
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shivan
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: shivan on 29/07/2006 05:13:08 You need to have your corp or alliance tags showing to be able to post in this forum or you risk having your post/thread edited/locked and you being warned/banned.
Can I have a cookie now please Wrangler? ----------------------------- Need a new sig. Mail me with offers and ideas. 50mill isk to the sig that I use. |
CardboardSword42
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:17:00 -
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However all these damn threads aren't cool D:
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and that makes me cooler 8)
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Irizumi
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Irizumi on 29/07/2006 05:20:05
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:22:00 -
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please at least read the thread before posting.
If you have any ideas or suggestions on diffusing the hostility, I am all ears.
My goal is to get back to playing a fun game, not waging a war of hate against people half a world away.
So, please keep the smack out of this thread.
(this is the main reason I originally posted without my corp ticker. People dismiss people out of hand like this.)
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Kelly O'Connor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:26:00 -
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for all who dont know the storry just treat this war as normal bob invasion (lots of ppl already called it that way) for some of bob this is personal and let it be just drop this whole "joke" thingy and start playng a game
there is a lot of fun before us for both sides i belive keep it that way ...
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:27:00 -
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This should be dealt with using laserguns now.
I need not the reminder, dont stain the boards about this matter anymore, please.
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Irizumi
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:29:00 -
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Thank you for your input Kelly. I look forward to the fights.
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Toffles
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Toffles on 29/07/2006 05:30:32 Edited by: Toffles on 29/07/2006 05:29:41
Originally by: Kelly O'Connor for all who dont know the storry just treat this war as normal bob invasion (lots of ppl already called it that way) for some of bob this is personal and let it be just drop this whole "joke" thingy and start playng a game
there is a lot of fun before us for both sides i belive keep it that way ...
Agreed. Everything worth saying has been said already, there is nothing new to say, lets just play the stupid game already.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:39:00 -
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To this DAY, Goonswarm members CONTINUE to mock the RL dead.
Goonswarm apologies are utterly worthless.
ANYONE willing to be IN goonswarm is trash. Not just "playing" trash. They ARE trash.
When this first happened, it could be reasonable for a player to not approve of what was being said, and be innocent. As of this point, all in Goonswarm are WILLINGLY guilty by tolerating the trash.
Play nice while you Butcher each other
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot To this DAY, Goonswarm members CONTINUE to mock the RL dead.
Goonswarm apologies are utterly worthless.
ANYONE willing to be IN goonswarm is trash. Not just "playing" trash. They ARE trash.
When this first happened, it could be reasonable for a player to not approve of what was being said, and be innocent. As of this point, all in Goonswarm are WILLINGLY guilty by tolerating the trash.
EVE becomes unfun due to people like you. Quit generalizing. If BoB wants to come attack GoonSwarm then that's fine, that's part of the game. But when members come here to "annihilate all of GoonSwarm" for the vindication of a few, then that's retarded.
It's a game. It's time people started treating it like one.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 05:49:37 Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 05:48:26 You see, this is what I am talking about.
My apology is not a Goonswarm apology. I am apologizing for myself. I can sympathize with your feelings, but you are pushing things too far. This kind of behavior reflects what is going on in the world today.
People using the bad actions of one to tar the many. It like saying, "George Bush is an idiot, therefore all Americans must be idiots." This, when 50% of our country voted against the bastard!
No one is mocking Smoske, except those that like to stir up trouble. And mostly they are mocking your response to the situation, not his death. Why are you allowing Goons to push your buttons?
You are a free human and can do what you want. But you go too far with your anger, no matter how rightous it may be.
And please keep the smack talk out of this thread. I set up this thread to seek out if not a peaceful solution at least a diffusion of hostilities.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 05:08:26 They are all cool. This is a serious post. This my main. I do not speak for Goonswarm and I am not a director. I only speak for myself.
I certainly hope Goonswarm doesn't swarm this thread. And I hope Bob can cool their heads long enough to listen.
I have been a member of Goonswarm for 3 months. A lot of them are cool guys, a few of them like to stir up trouble. I am sure every alliance and corp have these kinds of people in them. An unfunny joke was told and exposed to these forums. I personally am sorry this happened and I do honestly feel remorse for any of Smoske's friends and family that were exposed to it. But, to be honest I didn't even know the whole story on Smoske until this whole issue came to a head. Most of the Goons do not either. It happened before our time. I didn't even know the meaning of the offending signature. I came to play a game. I even enjoy reading the politics! It is interesting. But this level of hostility crosses the line, on all 3 sides.
I just ask the parties in involved to take a step back, breathe, and try to put the genie back in the bottle. Shooting each other in a space ship game is for fun! Shooting each in a space ship game in hatred isn't.
Please Please Please Goonswarm forum warriors, do not post in this thread. These are my feelings and mine alone.
Once again, I do not speak for Goonswarm. These are my thoughts alone.
I hope my words show at least a little merit for consideration. At least keep the smack out of this thread. For the Mods sake.
You tolerate and support the trash that started this incident.
The trash in question CONTINUE, to this day, to repeat their offense.
You have no idea just how much utter contempt you are held in by folks, simply for being in the same alliance with that trash. The idea that this will ever be a war with an objective of "good fights" is ludicrous.
I've been with BoB for well over year now, and was with BNC before that. At no point have we ever had an opponent that is less respected than you are. We've fought great opponents and worms, but none match Goonswarm for raw simple disrepected loathing.
No, you can't get away from what you did, and some of your members are continuing to do.
You want to be able to be play for good fights and fun?? Leave Goonswarm.
Play nice while you Butcher each other
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Anti Derivative
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot raarr rarrr arrr sooo angry rarrr
you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Sergeant Spot To this DAY, Goonswarm members CONTINUE to mock the RL dead.
Goonswarm apologies are utterly worthless.
ANYONE willing to be IN goonswarm is trash. Not just "playing" trash. They ARE trash.
When this first happened, it could be reasonable for a player to not approve of what was being said, and be innocent. As of this point, all in Goonswarm are WILLINGLY guilty by tolerating the trash.
EVE becomes unfun due to people like you. Quit generalizing. If BoB wants to come attack GoonSwarm then that's fine, that's part of the game. But when members come here to "annihilate all of GoonSwarm" for the vindication of a few, then that's retarded.
It's a game. It's time people started treating it like one.
Whats going on here might be expressed in game, but it is not a game.
If the trash you willingly tolerate among your members were face to face when they did their trash talk, they'd be physically beaten. Nothing "game" about it.
The fact that it was stated over the internet while in a game does not reduce the seriousness at all.
Play nice while you Butcher each other
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 06:02:20 Yet you continue to smack talk, in a thread where it is requested not to.
You are acting out a prime example of what Goons really do hate, a complete stranger on the internet telling them how they should conduct their free time. How would you react if some complete stranger told you what to do in your game? I highly doubt you would react kindly. Most likely you would act condescendingly as you are now.
I know the majority of BOB are not like you. I hope cooler heads previal in your corp and you step back a realize how arrogant you sound telling me how to conduct my business and who to associate with in an internet space game.
I'll repeat myself once again, since you missed it the first time, the actions of the few do not equal the actions of the group. Put your predjudices aside for your own health. Being angry all the time is not healthy.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ismern on 29/07/2006 06:01:26
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Sergeant Spot To this DAY, Goonswarm members CONTINUE to mock the RL dead.
Goonswarm apologies are utterly worthless.
ANYONE willing to be IN goonswarm is trash. Not just "playing" trash. They ARE trash.
When this first happened, it could be reasonable for a player to not approve of what was being said, and be innocent. As of this point, all in Goonswarm are WILLINGLY guilty by tolerating the trash.
EVE becomes unfun due to people like you. Quit generalizing. If BoB wants to come attack GoonSwarm then that's fine, that's part of the game. But when members come here to "annihilate all of GoonSwarm" for the vindication of a few, then that's retarded.
It's a game. It's time people started treating it like one.
Whats going on here might be expressed in game, but it is not a game.
If the trash you willingly tolerate among your members were face to face when they did their trash talk, they'd be physically beaten. Nothing "game" about it.
The fact that it was stated over the internet while in a game does not reduce the seriousness at all.
No, because unlike you, I have tact. I may not agree with what was said, and I've voiced my disapproval of it. But this is a game, and for that reason I will not leave my alliance just because of something someone said. I may lose respect for them, or have a different opinion of them, but I enjoy playing the game and I enjoy playing it in the position that I'm in.
So do us all a favor and stop posting.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
DigitalCommunist
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:05:00 -
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Your personal apologies are meaningless. They are words without action. If you believed in something being wrong, you'd do something about it.
Maybe its the fear of going against your SA/Goon community's stance on the issue, but they certainly aren't sorry and never will be. That much has been said, at the very least. A public apology was issued and later revealed by the very same people as a mere ploy to quell BoB. Do you think we're stupid?
Its not even about the "joke" anymore, its the arrogance to think you could come to EVE and infect it with your specific brand of internet delinquency. PVP is only fun when theres a goal, and I would sooner camp your tech 1 ghettomobiles from dusk to dawn (pun intended) than have a hearty bash with some respectable pilots.
The grief makes me hard.
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame. |
Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:05:00 -
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Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 06:05:36 Ismersn Please stop smacking. You are as guilty as he is.
You are telling him what he should and should not do and derailing the purpose of this thread.
Please symphathize with what I am attempting here and keep the insults and suggestions in chekc and provide civil discourse.
Thank you.
QUIT TAUNTING BOB MEMBERS IN MY THREAD!!
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Rutta
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Goonswarm apologies are utterly worthless.
ANYONE willing to be IN goonswarm is trash. Not just "playing" trash. They ARE trash.
When this first happened, it could be reasonable for a player to not approve of what was being said, and be innocent. As of this point, all in Goonswarm are WILLINGLY guilty by tolerating the trash.
EVE becomes unfun due to people like you. Quit generalizing. If BoB wants to come attack GoonSwarm then that's fine, that's part of the game. But when members come here to "annihilate all of GoonSwarm" for the vindication of a few, then that's retarded.
It's a game. It's time people started treating it like one.
Whats going on here might be expressed in game, but it is not a game.
If the trash you willingly tolerate among your members were face to face when they did their trash talk, they'd be physically beaten. Nothing "game" about it.
The fact that it was stated over the internet while in a game does not reduce the seriousness at all.
Are you going to Kickbox us when you come to our homes to physically beat us because of a space video game? Just asking.
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Anti Derivative
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Anti Derivative on 29/07/2006 06:08:30
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Its not even about the "joke" anymore, its the arrogance to think you could come to EVE and infect it with your specific brand of internet delinquency.
Think? We have. And the way you are freaking out about it is pretty much hilarious.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 06:05:36 Ismersn Please stop smacking. You are as guilty as he is.
You are telling him what he should and should not do and derailing the purpose of this thread.
Please symphathize with what I am attempting here and keep the insults and suggestions in chekc and provide civil discourse.
Thank you.
QUIT TAUNTING BOB MEMBERS IN MY THREAD!!
This isn't smack. It's common sense. I agree with many of the BoB members. The things that were said were just plain wrong. What I don't agree with are those who come here and say that every single one of us is trash and don't deserve to play the game.
Unfortunately, the voice of reason is lost on most.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Your personal apologies are meaningless. They are words without action. If you believed in something being wrong, you'd do something about it.
Maybe its the fear of going against your SA/Goon community's stance on the issue, but they certainly aren't sorry and never will be. That much has been said, at the very least. A public apology was issued and later revealed by the very same people as a mere ploy to quell BoB. Do you think we're stupid?
Its not even about the "joke" anymore, its the arrogance to think you could come to EVE and infect it with your specific brand of internet delinquency. PVP is only fun when theres a goal, and I would sooner camp your tech 1 ghettomobiles from dusk to dawn (pun intended) than have a hearty bash with some respectable pilots.
The grief makes me hard.
I do not fear you or Goonswarm. Actually I don't fear anyone on the internet. Becuase, quite frankly, an internet game is not real life. I am glad you enjoy camping and griefing, your words not mine.
And words have meaning. I find is disheartening to be lectured by a member of BOB about arrogance. As a goon I want to rebel against your idea that somehow you "own" EVE. Last I checked EVE does not equal BOB.
My words may have no meaning to you, but I am not seaking your approval, I am just letting my feelings be know to my corp publicly and the EVE forum browsers at large. Posting here is my action. Discount it if you wish, that is your porogative. By all means pops our newbie frigs until your blue in the face, if that is what makes the game fun for you. But drop the posturing.
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 29/07/2006 06:05:36 Ismersn Please stop smacking. You are as guilty as he is.
You are telling him what he should and should not do and derailing the purpose of this thread.
Please symphathize with what I am attempting here and keep the insults and suggestions in chekc and provide civil discourse.
Thank you.
QUIT TAUNTING BOB MEMBERS IN MY THREAD!!
This isn't smack. It's common sense. I agree with many of the BoB members. The things that were said were just plain wrong. What I don't agree with are those who come here and say that every single one of us is trash and don't deserve to play the game.
Unfortunately, the voice of reason is lost on most.
I am totally on your side and I feel that same as you, but poking Spot with a stick everytime he says something emotionally inflamitory just brings youself down to his level. I know you have better self control than to let him bait you.
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Irizumi
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Irizumi on 29/07/2006 06:16:36
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:17:00 -
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Just for you Ismern, I will explain it once again.
Your personal stance and personal apologies are meaningless, when you still remain in the corporation that condones, supports and encourages such behaviour.
Not only do you remain in it, but you fight for it and back the people who started it.
I don't know which alternate universe would have me believe someone so hypocritical has the right to talk about reason, but its not EVE.
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame. |
Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Just for you Ismern, I will explain it once again.
Your personal stance and personal apologies are meaningless, when you still remain in the corporation that condones, supports and encourages such behaviour.
Not only do you remain in it, but you fight for it and back the people who started it.
I don't know which alternate universe would have me believe someone so hypocritical has the right to talk about reason, but its not EVE.
And just for you DigitalCommunist, I will explain it once again.
THIS IS A GAME
Here endeth my arguing with the close-minded.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Swinton Wolsoncroft
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:21:00 -
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Gents, the guy is a sergeant, he's totally in over his paygrade. On the other hand, we would all do well to avoid him on the street, lest we recieve a sound beating.
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Trepkos
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: DigitalCommunist Just for you Ismern, I will explain it once again.
Your personal stance and personal apologies are meaningless, when you still remain in the corporation that condones, supports and encourages such behaviour.
Not only do you remain in it, but you fight for it and back the people who started it.
I don't know which alternate universe would have me believe someone so hypocritical has the right to talk about reason, but its not EVE.
And just for you DigitalCommunist, I will explain it once again.
THIS IS A GAME
Here endeth my arguing with the close-minded.
Yes, it is a game. But it is also a MMORPG, and just try and guess what the RPG stands for?
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McDeth187
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:33:00 -
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Its pretty funny how much hate can come from an on-line game. Stop beating the dead horse.
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