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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.05 09:49:00 -
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I know this post is asking for trouble, but I am seriously wondering why so many people really dislike Goons.
And before you start with "Tora, Marmites have been at war for them for almost a year !!!!", this has nothing to do with disliking Goons. Its purely an isks thing, as are all our contracts. YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.09.05 10:09:00 -
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For some, Goons are a manifestation of all of their own inadequacies, externalized into an organization that is big, faceless, and easy to hate on.
For some, it's sour grapes, they have been historically successful in EVE and success comes at the expense of others.
For some, it's taking offense at their "to heck with everybody else" attitudes.
For some, it's because everyone else hates on them, and they're just joining the bandwagon.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.09.05 10:25:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:For some, Goons are a manifestation of all of their own inadequacies, externalized into an organization that is big, faceless, and easy to hate on.
For some, it's sour grapes, they have been historically successful in EVE and success comes at the expense of others.
For some, it's taking offense at their "to heck with everybody else" attitudes.
For some, it's because everyone else hates on them, and they're just joining the bandwagon.
Well for starters...there are so many of them that they are literally "everybody else"
that said: I like them. They make content. Some of them even give good fights. (I also like killing them) TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4179
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:46:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I know this post is asking for trouble, but I am seriously wondering why so many people really dislike Goons.
And before you start with "Tora, Marmites have been at war for them for almost a year !!!!", this has nothing to do with disliking Goons. Its purely an isks thing, as are all our contracts. BECAUSE THEY ARE EVIL IRL.
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:49:00 -
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That was my point Lucas. Often when I ask people why do you dislike Goons so much, the most heard answer is "Well euhh..yeh...euhh... because!" YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6036
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:55:00 -
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Because we ruin things by making them better. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
427
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:03:00 -
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Right now I don't like them because they have lost their way. They've settled null. It's a big isk driven business. They have abandoned their roots and gone corporate. They are striving to make things steady and balanced so they may pile thier isk ever higher and fill their hangars ever fuller with.... well fake space pixels.
They have forgotten the most important goon core value - it's all fake.... everything - the empire, the isk, the.... all of it.
With the loss of their core value they are just another selfish corporate entity scraping ever deeper into the landscape of eve for fake gains. There is no fun or happiness in this endeavor. It will lead to a boredom and an eventual exodus to a game where you can actually have fun and do fun things.
When their idea of winning eve changed from peeing down my or your air hose to becoming the masters of eve the end began.
Why do I dislike the goons?? Because they have lost their way. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:28:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Right now I don't like them because they have lost their way. They've settled null. It's a big isk driven business. They have abandoned their roots and gone corporate. They are striving to make things steady and balanced so they may pile thier isk ever higher and fill their hangars ever fuller with.... well fake space pixels.
They have forgotten the most important goon core value - it's all fake.... everything - the empire, the isk, the.... all of it.
With the loss of their core value they are just another selfish corporate entity scraping ever deeper into the landscape of eve for fake gains. There is no fun or happiness in this endeavor. It will lead to a boredom and an eventual exodus to a game where you can actually have fun and do fun things.
When their idea of winning eve changed from peeing down my or your air hose to becoming the masters of eve the end began.
Why do I dislike the goons?? Because they have lost their way.
What if peeing in other's cereal bowl became more tendious to do than the fun it provided them? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:28:00 -
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Because of their behavior and actions |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:30:00 -
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Everyone hates the guys who are winning. As it stands, I do not believe that any current coalition could oust them. Ergo, the hate. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:32:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I know this post is asking for trouble, but I am seriously wondering why so many people really dislike Goons.
And before you start with "Tora, Marmites have been at war for them for almost a year !!!!", this has nothing to do with disliking Goons. Its purely an isks thing, as are all our contracts.
Nobody likes a bully and Goons choose, consciously, to be EVE's bad guys.
I've played this game for about 10 years any I've seen a great many of the major alliances from the inside and the outside. Of all of these, Goonswarm was the one that surprised me the most. From the outside they look like an unorganized posse of cross-eyed gun-waving cretins with absolutely no plan whatsoever.... and if you fly in DBRB's fleets you could be forgiven for thinking this even if you are a Goon.
But inside the machine, this is a very VERY smart alliance with very VERY good organisation. They're sometimes short on vision, sometimes short on ambition, sometimes short on manners and "class" but they have the skills and resources to sit their massive stinking lard-butt down on the face of any other alliance in the game and suffocate them.
People like their heroes to be "good" at stuff. The best shot, the "fastest gun", the one who never gives up, the one who is the smartest, best looking etc.... Goons are none of that. They're EVE's biggest alliance but as an archetype they are (or they want you to think they are) more like Jabba-the-hut than Indiana Jones.... full of yellow-toothed neck-beards who post **** in fleet because they can't get a girl and are rude in local because they don't have the social skills to stand up to their boss in real life...
But in reality, it's an alliance like any other with the same cross section of EVE players as any other, but with one difference. If the FC says, "I want 250 people in this fleet" they don't get one. They get three.
And for a lot of people, this causes a disconnect.
I should mention that I am no longer in Goons but that doesn't stop me from understanding and, yes, respecting them.
T-
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Muadd Dibb
nomnomnom MOAR BABIES The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:33:00 -
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Chars dislike goons as in all life we have to hate somebody. Unless your a monk or somthing
Grr Goons |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4658
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:34:00 -
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Should i hate them? =][= |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:39:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Right now I don't like them because they have lost their way. They've settled null. It's a big isk driven business. They have abandoned their roots and gone corporate. They are striving to make things steady and balanced so they may pile thier isk ever higher and fill their hangars ever fuller with.... well fake space pixels.
They have forgotten the most important goon core value - it's all fake.... everything - the empire, the isk, the.... all of it.
With the loss of their core value they are just another selfish corporate entity scraping ever deeper into the landscape of eve for fake gains. There is no fun or happiness in this endeavor. It will lead to a boredom and an eventual exodus to a game where you can actually have fun and do fun things.
When their idea of winning eve changed from peeing down my or your air hose to becoming the masters of eve the end began.
Why do I dislike the goons?? Because they have lost their way. What if peeing in other's cereal bowl became more tendious to do than the fun it provided them?
That is exactly my point. That should never happen to a goon. You just need to come up with more creative ways to pee in the bowl, not call tedious, give up and go corporate. It's a total disappointment in my view. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:56:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Because we ruin things by making them better. Even if you do, people should wonder what is worse. An evil Goon enemy or a "Brave New Eve".
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
8353
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:25:00 -
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GÖŃ Goons |
Trixie Lawless
Blood Dust Vapor Dark Knights of Eden
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:27:00 -
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The only experience I have had with Goons in Eve was a newb toon blanketing anyone in rookie chat with 420420 isk bounties and talking trash to people....sometimes saying pretty cruel things. There were no blues on at the time so I think most of us just put her on ignore.
I have encountered many forms of Goonsquads in other games though, and they (for the most part) been complete asses with the trash talk in local and griefing in various forms. I don't know if these different group work under under one big gaming group or not.
Having said that...its just video games so no big deal to me. And I'm sure there are tons of goons that are just fine and don't cross the line. We probably just all remember the ones that do. And when you have tons of members, you will have more griefers and smack talkers. Just the way it is. |
Mochalatte
The Post Rain Mafia
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:03:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Right now I don't like them because they have lost their way. They've settled null. It's a big isk driven business. They have abandoned their roots and gone corporate. They are striving to make things steady and balanced so they may pile thier isk ever higher and fill their hangars ever fuller with.... well fake space pixels.
They have forgotten the most important goon core value - it's all fake.... everything - the empire, the isk, the.... all of it.
With the loss of their core value they are just another selfish corporate entity scraping ever deeper into the landscape of eve for fake gains. There is no fun or happiness in this endeavor. It will lead to a boredom and an eventual exodus to a game where you can actually have fun and do fun things.
When their idea of winning eve changed from peeing down my or your air hose to becoming the masters of eve the end began.
Why do I dislike the goons?? Because they have lost their way.
This.
Is it, if anyone can bother to dislike them. I think they have enough blues that someone has to like them, looks like A LOT of people like them on checking blues list. Mostly alts posting grrr goons threads to keep them some what relevant in forum presence. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:04:00 -
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Trixie Lawless wrote:
I have encountered many forms of Goonsquads in other games though, and they (for the most part) been complete asses with the trash talk in local and griefing in various forms. I don't know if these different group work under under one big gaming group or not.
As a rank-and-file Goon in EVE online you wouldn't notice anything to this effect. I believe there is a sort of blog called "something awful" which iis more of a "failblog.org" than any kind of coordination between Goon groups in different games.
The impression I get is that being a Goon, regardless of the game, pretty much means "be the bad guy". How this is done is game specific and therefore not coordinated.
But frankly I'm just guessing. I was never in Goons higher echelons, so I'm just talking as someone who sometimes "heard" stuff.
T-
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:09:00 -
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It is the simple fact that they are the largest group. Each individual contributes to the overall Grr, the more people the more Grr.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
1190
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:16:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:It is the simple fact that they are the largest group that does things that make you go Grrr. Ohh, dont get me wrong. I love the lets kill them all, Grrr etc. things. But I also see people who take that **** all way to seriously.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
45
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:27:00 -
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I like rooting for the underdog and see the most powerful collapse. It is healthy to keep things fresh to see instability amongst those vying and controlling for power.
The only people I dislike are the transient sludge who flip alliances to support the winning side.
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Paranoid Loyd
1720
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Posted - 2014.09.05 15:40:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:It is the simple fact that they are the largest group that does things that make you go Grrr. Ohh, dont get me wrong. I love the lets kill them all, Grrr etc. things. But I also see people who take that **** all way to seriously.
Yeah, they are not any different than the people who rage post after they get suicide ganked, they have learned about the true nature of the game the hard way and don't quite know how to handle it so rage ensues. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
349
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:29:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Right now I don't like them because they have lost their way. They've settled null. It's a big isk driven business. They have abandoned their roots and gone corporate. They are striving to make things steady and balanced so they may pile thier isk ever higher and fill their hangars ever fuller with.... well fake space pixels.
They have forgotten the most important goon core value - it's all fake.... everything - the empire, the isk, the.... all of it.
With the loss of their core value they are just another selfish corporate entity scraping ever deeper into the landscape of eve for fake gains. There is no fun or happiness in this endeavor. It will lead to a boredom and an eventual exodus to a game where you can actually have fun and do fun things.
When their idea of winning eve changed from peeing down my or your air hose to becoming the masters of eve the end began.
Why do I dislike the goons?? Because they have lost their way.
Sorry I thought you were talking about Google for a minute there. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:29:00 -
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People just hating what they don't understand, like taking noobships to battle titans, or fleeting maelstroms to battle PL, if you can't understand crazy people you tend to hate them.
But I like crazy. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
436
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:34:00 -
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Then you like the old goons as I once did.
I'm only speculating, but the core probably moved on to another game (remember the conan on line break) and left the wrong guys at the helm. A lot of them are playing mech warrior. Maybe 'the core' goons left and eve actually is serious spaceships for goons now.
A lot of folks are heading that way. It's a pretty good game and the company running that game is pretty in tune w/ the players. They don't have the 10yr old legacy code to deal with. Then again, they don't take a dump on thier players and back it up w/ a high brow 'we know what's best' attitude. There aren't 90+ page threads in their forums telling them how bad something is, So there are some differences in their corporate business model. It's all the talk on various wh comms.
I resub annually, so my decision day is a few months down the road. We'll see I guess. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6042
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:21:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:A lot of them are playing mech warrior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dAUYAg8mAQ This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
963
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Posted - 2014.09.06 05:36:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:I know this post is asking for trouble, but I am seriously wondering why so many people really dislike Goons.
And before you start with "Tora, Marmites have been at war for them for almost a year !!!!", this has nothing to do with disliking Goons. Its purely an isks thing, as are all our contracts.
99.995% of the time - they dislike the Goons for the same reason they joined Ripard Teg on his wild witch-hunt against Erotica 1 - they don't know a single goon, they have never talked to any of them, they don't know anyone who has ever even been involved in anything involving the little bees - but they have VERY STRONG opinions about them that are based on third hand information that someone told them who knew someone who might have known someone who heard it from a totally trustworthy source that someone who knew someone once got scammed by someone who might have been connected with someone who once was a goon once knew back in 2007. The other 00.005% of the time? They got their internet spaceship shot full of holes by the CFC :P
That, or they just needed to make a load of cash by selling ad-space on their blog before quitting the game after starting a massive witch hunt that neither the "evil one" or the "victim" ever wanted and that was over two months before our internet space detective even heard of it.
Always bet on the ignorance of the plebs, Tora :P They have VERY STRONG opinions, and if you let them they will gladly give you 5,000 pages of reasons why :)
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
855
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Posted - 2014.09.06 06:59:00 -
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I always thought people hated Goons cuz Goons invented 4chan.
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What?
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Don Purple
The Pursuit of Happiness
470
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:16:00 -
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Ignorance, I love my goon pals and I love talking to their recruiters in the recruitment channel when I am bored :D.
Ran into an ex BoB member a few months back, amazed how angry that fellah was. I am just here to snuggle. |
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