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Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:26:00 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:If you can't afford $12/mo for a hobby you most likely play dozens of hours/week, maybe you should spend less time flying spaceships and more time looking for a better job IRL... Money is real and finite. ISK is fake and infinite. |
Fr3akwave
Shattered Sword
37
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:30:00 -
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Ray Zyrus wrote:[...] it gets pretty tough for me to pay the account nowadays. [...] definitely not gonna pay my account with real cash....
Why not? Is it not worth it for you? Is EVE such a bad game that you would not want to play if you cannot play to play?
(There is no typo.)
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Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
24
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:38:00 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:If you can't afford $12/mo for a hobby you most likely play dozens of hours/week, maybe you should spend less time flying spaceships and more time looking for a better job IRL...
So much this. When I buy Plex (for about $20US), I do it because grinding out the ISK I'd need to buy whatever shiny new ship I want just isn't worth the hours of my life I'd have to spend doing it. I pay my sub a year at a time, and at ~$15 a month it's one of the cheapest hobbies I have. Trying to grind ISK to pay my sub would involve hours and hours of unfun ISK grinding in-game, and my time is worth way, way more than that to me.
Given the RL cost of a Plex is around $20US, that means that the conversion rate is 800M ISK = $20 USD. (More or less.) If it takes me more than an hour to grind 800M ISK in game (and it does, by a lot), then trying to grind Plex to play a game so I can grind more Plex to play a game to grind more Plex...it sounds like a very un-fun kind of hell. But again: maybe it isn't to other people, so if my buying PLEX helps them out, great.
PLEX is a way for me to subcontract out my ISK grinding to other people, is the way I look at it. Lots of people are willing to do that grinding, it turns out, so demand for PLEX in-game is high. Ergo, prices go up. |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
24
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:44:00 -
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Eve's economy is terribly inflationary as well, which impacts PLEX prices. Too many ISK sources and not enough sinks. You can say that the cost for a PLEX has risen from 450M ISK to 800M ISK, or you can say that the value of ISK has fallen by about half. It's the same thing. There's too much ISK in the game.
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Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:46:00 -
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I think the only way to fix PLEX prices is to contact your local political representative, assuming you live in a country that has one and demand that PLEX be added to the necessities of life along milk, bread and clean drinking water. In other words the reason plex prices are ridiculous is simple, the lack of communal will to share the wealth. |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
215
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:57:00 -
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Problem is, what people are willing to pay for PLEX is set by the richer half of New Eden. To me, and I imagine others, my almighty dollar has much more value than several hundred million ISK so I use the latter to pay my sub. For an established player making several billion a month, 800m ISK isn't a terrible price to pay to stay in the sky. For a player of a few months who is wondering whether this habit is worth over $150 a year, 800m ISK can be too much. |
Marsha Mallow
1492
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:07:00 -
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Ocih wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
Supply and demand. It's the only thing in the game that is based on supply and demand.
Ocih wrote:There is no way for players to cartel Plex
Ocih wrote:If I have a mind to go buy 3 Plex, 30 Plex, they are in Jita with no logistics, they are sold with no manipulations.
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
Cidanel Afuran
Astro Technologies Apocalypse Now.
27
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:08:00 -
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Cameron Freerunner wrote:Cidanel Afuran wrote:If you can't afford $12/mo for a hobby you most likely play dozens of hours/week, maybe you should spend less time flying spaceships and more time looking for a better job IRL... Money is real and finite. ISK is fake and infinite.
Wrong. Time is real and finite. If you spend an hour IRL 'grinding' out money, you can make enough to buy a plex faster than you ever can in-game. If making enough ISK to plex an account is costing you more time than making dollars to buy a plex, you are doing it wrong.
To say it again, if $12/mo (a few cents/hour to most of us) is too expensive for you, you might want to stop playing video games for a bit. |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
125
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:17:00 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:Absolutely Not Analt wrote:Actually I remember when PLEX were in the 300 million ISK range, so sperg on noob. 90 day game time cards were 430 mill many, many years ago. I remember buying a 90 day GTC for 200mil and something a while back... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8053
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:18:00 -
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Cidanel Afuran wrote:Cameron Freerunner wrote:Cidanel Afuran wrote:If you can't afford $12/mo for a hobby you most likely play dozens of hours/week, maybe you should spend less time flying spaceships and more time looking for a better job IRL... Money is real and finite. ISK is fake and infinite. Wrong. Time is real and finite. If you spend an hour IRL 'grinding' out money, you can make enough to buy a plex faster than you ever can in-game. If making enough ISK to plex an account is costing you more time than making dollars to buy a plex, you are doing it wrong. To say it again, if $12/mo (a few cents/hour to most of us) is too expensive for you, you might want to stop playing video games for a bit.
That's the same old nonsense it always is. Nothing wrong with paying a sub but working a job to do it instead of being at home playing a video game drunk for a bit longer to do the same thing is what's doing it wrong.
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Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:20:00 -
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Ray Zyrus wrote:so i know that there sights that are called plexes but aside from that i have no further knowledge about where they are come from. I just buy them in the market and redeem them.
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Cidanel Afuran
Astro Technologies Apocalypse Now.
27
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:02:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Cidanel Afuran wrote:Cameron Freerunner wrote:Cidanel Afuran wrote:If you can't afford $12/mo for a hobby you most likely play dozens of hours/week, maybe you should spend less time flying spaceships and more time looking for a better job IRL... Money is real and finite. ISK is fake and infinite. Wrong. Time is real and finite. If you spend an hour IRL 'grinding' out money, you can make enough to buy a plex faster than you ever can in-game. If making enough ISK to plex an account is costing you more time than making dollars to buy a plex, you are doing it wrong. To say it again, if $12/mo (a few cents/hour to most of us) is too expensive for you, you might want to stop playing video games for a bit. That's the same old nonsense it always is. Nothing wrong with paying a sub but working a job to do it instead of being at home playing a video game drunk for a bit longer to do the same thing is what's doing it wrong.
Of course there is nothing wrong with grinding in game to get your plex. It is flat out wrong to say "ISK is infinite". I personally enjoy my job. If it comes down to mindlessly grinding that last 100m ISK to make plex, or working an extra 30 minutes on the job, I will work the extra 30 min. every time. If you are working a job IRL that you don't enjoy, you are doing something wrong.
All that being said, obviously to each his own. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2075
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:22:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: It's easier now to make crazy isk with a pve fit ship now than it was before Dominion (when belt ratting was a thing). The obvious result of making it easier for people to acquire wealth is rising prices for things people want like PLEX. The addition of all the exploitable wealth faucets for me was going from 1 account paid for with cash to easily plexing the 4 I have now (ie using someone esle's cash).
This is probably the correct answer. Plex are worth what people are willing to pay for them. If more people have more wealth, odds are they'll all be willing to pay for the slightly more expensive plex, and price goes up. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
345
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:06:00 -
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Just wait till you find out when the plexes actually started at around 240m. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Bapfl
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
Supply and demand.
Not really because: 1) CCP can buy PLEX off the in-game-market for nothing. 2) CPP can spawn new PLEX in-game for nothing. 3) RMT is not part of the EULA. |
Gavin Dax
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
78
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:45:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Because CCP added new features that uatlize plex, as people use more plex the demand goes up, so the suppliers charge more as there is more demand then supply. Econ 101.
This simply isn't true. The demand for PLEX has not increased, which you can see if you look at the market history. In fact, it has gone down. So this means that supply must be going down as well (e.g. people buy PLEX with RL money and sit on it or just don't feel the need to buy it, perhaps lost subs more-so of the type of player who would buy plex to sell in the past, etc.). Could be that it's easier to make ISK in-game, things are cheaper (look at faction ships like the mach, deadspace modules, etc.), people use more bots, etc. etc. |
Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
162
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:55:00 -
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Screw plex prices. I wanna know what moron or group of morons is ruining the celadon cytoserocin market. I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4506
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Posted - 2014.09.06 02:49:00 -
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Bapfl wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
Supply and demand. Not really because: 1) CCP can buy PLEX off the in-game-market for nothing. (to raise prizes) 2) CPP can spawn new PLEX in-game for nothing. (to lower prizes) 3) RMT is not part of the EULA. (so no way for players to counteract)
Did you really just intentionally say all that?
You. Yes, you, I'm talking to you, and that frumpy Razor guy below you.
Supply and demand is exactly why the prices of PLEX have increased and are in the process of mostly stabilising around 750-800mil. Razor guy apparently knows how to view market history so a quick trip through a few different regions and some basic analysis would show you the stabilising trend. And yes, the reason it's gone up is due to the increase in demand due to the new ways in which PLEX can be used: notable, multiple character training, AURUM for the NES, etc.
I personally trade a lot of PLEX, both buying and selling, but mostly selling. I would LOVE if prices went higher than they are now. Alas, they aren't likely to anytime soon. They will continue to fluctuate in the narrow band I defined above, maybe even for a few months yet, but provided there are no further changes to PLEX, the price will probably stabilise and may even drop back to 700M in due time.
Meanwhile, I sub a single account in this game and have the time of my life in it. I think what people are really complaining about is how much effort they've created for themselves by turning EVE into a second job. It's sad to think of what they're doing to themselves, these online demi-deities of the stars, slaving away like common Minmatars.... GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16739
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Posted - 2014.09.06 02:57:00 -
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Has anyone Grrrrr'd the player driven economy yet?
if not:
Grrrrrrrrr Player-driven economy!!!!! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6399
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Posted - 2014.09.06 03:00:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Has anyone Grrrrr'd the player driven economy yet?
if not:
Grrrrrrrrr Player-driven economy!!!!! Somehow blame goons ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16739
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Posted - 2014.09.06 03:05:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Somehow blame goons
Blaming and therefore Grrrrr-ing Goons is sooooo last week. I think we need some new entity to Grrrrrr.
I hear that Camel Empire is a thing now.. so...
Grrrrrrrr Camels!!!!!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Rykuss
In Praise Of Bacchus
114
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Posted - 2014.09.06 03:57:00 -
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Cameron Freerunner wrote:The prices are actually coming down since the implosion of blinky and friends.
What happened to Inky, Pinky, and Clyde?! You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1188
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Posted - 2014.09.06 04:02:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:It's sad to think of what they're doing to themselves, these online demi-deities of the stars, slaving away like common Minmatars.... Wow, this really puts into words how I feel about several segments of the playerbase. [witty image] - Stream |
Hicksimus
Torgue Fueling the Fire
309
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Posted - 2014.09.06 11:32:00 -
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The price of PLEX is ONLY 800m because scrubs don't know how much bounty isk is being printed by people in smartbomb battleships.
Hint: Each of my 1000dps gun toons makes 120m per hour in bounty.......imagine what they're making with 3 ships in a site doing effectively 4000dps each......yeah OMG 800m plex they can only buy one of those every 3 seconds. Do you have it? |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
1346
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:43:00 -
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The #1 Issue that keeps people raging seems to be the price of PLEX. I have spoken with a number of individuals who feel they have a RIGHT TO PLEX, which to me seems a bit irrational. PLEX were introduced as a BONUS, not as a subsistence tool. If anything the price of PLEX extending beyond the means of the sloth and incapable is a GOOD thing.
The Competitive market of EVE is a major draw for new players, and helps retain existing players through player generated intrigue and drama.
EVE's market is incredibly healthy and the ever increasing price of PLEX is evidence of this:
Healthy customers compete against one another for PLEX, competition drives innovation. innovation drives profits empowering the customer to pay more than their competitors for needed goods.
When the price of PLEX goes up, EVE is HEALTHY
When the price of PLEX goes down, EVE IS DYING.
I for one don't want to see EVE die anytime soon, we should all celebrate the spirit of competition and be proud to spend our ISK on PLEX.
One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Minutemen The Bastion
1337
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:48:00 -
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PLEX doubles every time the difficulty of PVE halves. |
Arronicus
Caldari Navy Reconnaissance
1130
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:28:00 -
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Ray Zyrus wrote: they started out at 430 million isk .
No, they started out in the 200s. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
419
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:32:00 -
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Im always somewhere between amused and aggravated every time this topic comes up. Here's the truth: PLEX IS NOT EXPENSIVE. It may cost more than it did when you bought your first one, maybe a lot more, but it's still not "expensive." At an average price right now of 775M isk, you're looking at having to put in a wopping 26M isk per day to pay for your plex. With the exception of the truly new players, 26M isk in a day is chicken scratch for pretty much everyone else. It's not this "omgiskgrind" that people complain about. If a player a few months old cant pick his nose and pull out 26M, I might be a little more worried.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Vyl Vit
736
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:29:00 -
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CCP IS - CCP is SINGULAR NOT PLURAL
rIdiculous - it gets an I not an E!
If you can't say what you mean, how can you mean what you say????
Oh, and, posting in yet another "PLEX PRICES? WTF???" thread. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
418
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:31:00 -
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As soon as you guys factor in INFLATION you might rethink your positions. Then again....prolly not.
INFLATION = what happens to your currency when it hangs out with overly-inflated egos. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
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