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Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries Severasse Militarized Mining Union
8
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:48:00 -
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Hello,
Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.
Will be thankful for any ideas.
Victor |
Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries Severasse Militarized Mining Union
9
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:48:05 -
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Hello,
Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.
Will be thankful for any ideas.
Victor |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
25
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:02:00 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:Hello,
Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.
Will be thankful for any ideas.
Victor
If the shield was up, no one can steal it.
EDIT: If corpies have access to the tower, they can steal it even if shields are up. Do you trust your corpies?
Open your corp assets tab and check the "In Space" tab. If it's there, you might just be looking in the wrong place. If it's not there -- either you forgot to put it online and someone stole it, or there was a glitch in the Matrix at CCP and you should petition it. |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
37
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:02:12 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:Hello,
Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.
Will be thankful for any ideas.
Victor
If the shield was up, no one can steal it.
EDIT: If corpies have access to the tower, they can steal it even if shields are up. Do you trust your corpies?
Open your corp assets tab and check the "In Space" tab. If it's there, you might just be looking in the wrong place. If it's not there -- either you forgot to put it online and someone stole it, or there was a glitch in the Matrix at CCP and you should petition it. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4109
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:35:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:Open your corp assets tab and check the "In Space" tab. If it's there, you might just be looking in the wrong place. Most likely.
Make sure to right-click the tower and save its location to bookmark it, next time. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4291
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Posted - 2014.09.06 16:35:15 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:Open your corp assets tab and check the "In Space" tab. If it's there, you might just be looking in the wrong place. Most likely.
Make sure to right-click the tower and save its location to bookmark it, next time. |
Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries Severasse Militarized Mining Union
8
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:37:00 -
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Thank you for your insights.
I trust my corpmates. I also checked the corp assets and the POS is not there, unfortunately. Also, I did yesterday the place bookmark and had several flights. Our corp is not in a war, thus in high-sec hardly it happened that it was destroyed. Thus the bookmark is OK and the most probable reason that the POS was stolen. When I left it, it was fueled and the shields on.
One explanation might be that the tower has run out of fuel. But there was enough fuel, and also there were no any notifications from DED. Another version was that somebody used a syphon to steal the fuel and charters (it was in the Gallente space). But I did not find indications that one may steal fuel and charters using syphon.
Just theoretically, is it possible to steal the tower when it is not on-line? For example by stealing the charters? May be somebody saw cases when the tower went off-line without a reason?
Victor |
Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries Severasse Militarized Mining Union
9
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:37:38 -
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Thank you for your insights.
I trust my corpmates. I also checked the corp assets and the POS is not there, unfortunately. Also, I did yesterday the place bookmark and had several flights. Our corp is not in a war, thus in high-sec hardly it happened that it was destroyed. Thus the bookmark is OK and the most probable reason that the POS was stolen. When I left it, it was fueled and the shields on.
One explanation might be that the tower has run out of fuel. But there was enough fuel, and also there were no any notifications from DED. Another version was that somebody used a syphon to steal the fuel and charters (it was in the Gallente space). But I did not find indications that one may steal fuel and charters using syphon.
Just theoretically, is it possible to steal the tower when it is not on-line? For example by stealing the charters? May be somebody saw cases when the tower went off-line without a reason?
Victor |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4684
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:46:00 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote: I trust my corpmates.
well thers your problem =][= |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6351
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:46:03 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote: I trust my corpmates.
well thers your problem
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:53:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Victor Vandenberg wrote: I trust my corpmates.
well thers your problem
Lol I get what you mean, but it didn't answer his question...It's also one I'd like to know the answer to as well.
If a pos is in space, offline, password protected can it be stolen? By a random not in your corp.
Could I fly to moons looking for them offline? Sounds like a great little earner if you can.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:53:40 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Victor Vandenberg wrote: I trust my corpmates.
well thers your problem
Lol I get what you mean, but it didn't answer his question...It's also one I'd like to know the answer to as well.
If a pos is in space, offline, password protected can it be stolen? By a random not in your corp.
Could I fly to moons looking for them offline? Sounds like a great little earner if you can.
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Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
25
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:19:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Victor Vandenberg wrote: I trust my corpmates.
well thers your problem Lol I get what you mean, but it didn't answer his question...It's also one I'd like to know the answer to as well. If a pos is in space, offline, password protected can it be stolen? By a random not in your corp. Could I fly to moons looking for them offline? Sounds like a great little earner if you can.
I may be wrong, but I think if the POS is anchored but not online, it can't be stolen. It can be blown up and looted, but not stolen outright. However, you'd have gotten a lossmail in that event.
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Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
37
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:19:16 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Victor Vandenberg wrote: I trust my corpmates.
well thers your problem Lol I get what you mean, but it didn't answer his question...It's also one I'd like to know the answer to as well. If a pos is in space, offline, password protected can it be stolen? By a random not in your corp. Could I fly to moons looking for them offline? Sounds like a great little earner if you can.
I may be wrong, but I think if the POS is anchored but not online, it can't be stolen. It can be blown up and looted, but not stolen outright. However, you'd have gotten a lossmail in that event.
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War Porcika
Hamster Holding Corp
18
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:35:00 -
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Based what you have described, someone from your corp took it. If you are a director, then check your corp mates hangar, maybe you will find it there. I would try to do the search in the system where the POS is. |
War Porcika
Hamster Holding Corp
28
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:35:41 -
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Based what you have described, someone from your corp took it. If you are a director, then check your corp mates hangar, maybe you will find it there. I would try to do the search in the system where the POS is. |
Slothook
Higher Than Everest Black Legion.
9
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:51:00 -
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Someone cant steal the POS unless they are in your Corp and have the correct roles - even if it goes off line someone outside your corp / without roles can't unachore it and steal it.
If it runs out of fuel it makes no difference to someone stealing it or not - above still applies.
If someone uses a siphon on it, it doesn't steal POS fuel or charters - it steals moon goo which yours being a highsec POS wont have.
Someone can kill it but first they have to war dec your corp, then wait 24 hours and then spend ages pounding on it - this hasn't happened as you weren't war dec'd.
Possibilities are simply - either someone in your Corp with roles stole it or you book marked the wrong location - there are no other options - I know which my money is on, have you definitely checked Corp assets in space via the corp console - |
Slothook
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:51:48 -
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Someone cant steal the POS unless they are in your Corp and have the correct roles - even if it goes off line someone outside your corp / without roles can't unachore it and steal it.
If it runs out of fuel it makes no difference to someone stealing it or not - above still applies.
If someone uses a siphon on it, it doesn't steal POS fuel or charters - it steals moon goo which yours being a highsec POS wont have.
Someone can kill it but first they have to war dec your corp, then wait 24 hours and then spend ages pounding on it - this hasn't happened as you weren't war dec'd.
Possibilities are simply - either someone in your Corp with roles stole it or you book marked the wrong location - there are no other options - I know which my money is on, have you definitely checked Corp assets in space via the corp console - |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1439
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:04:00 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:One explanation might be that the tower has run out of fuel. But there was enough fuel, and also there were no any notifications from DED.
Nope. Running out of fuel would just send the tower offline, and no one other than corp-members with the appropriate permissions can unanchor a tower, even an offline.
Quote: Another version was that somebody used a syphon to steal the fuel and charters (it was in the Gallente space). But I did not find indications that one may steal fuel and charters using syphon.
No. Can't syphon fuel, and besides see previous comment
Quote:Just theoretically, is it possible to steal the tower when it is not on-line?
No, and it's not possible to steal it when it is offline either. Only an unanchored tower can be stolen by someone outside of your corp.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1508
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:04:49 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:One explanation might be that the tower has run out of fuel. But there was enough fuel, and also there were no any notifications from DED.
Nope. Running out of fuel would just send the tower offline, and no one other than corp-members with the appropriate permissions can unanchor a tower, even an offline.
Quote: Another version was that somebody used a syphon to steal the fuel and charters (it was in the Gallente space). But I did not find indications that one may steal fuel and charters using syphon.
No. Can't syphon fuel, and besides see previous comment
Quote:Just theoretically, is it possible to steal the tower when it is not on-line?
No, and it's not possible to steal it when it is offline either. Only an unanchored tower can be stolen by someone outside of your corp.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
867
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:49:00 -
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Who in your corp has the roles to take it down? Because the only thing that makes sense in this scenario is that someone stole it. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
912
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Posted - 2014.09.06 20:49:08 -
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Who in your corp has the roles to take it down? Because the only thing that makes sense in this scenario is that someone stole it.
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My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
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Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries Severasse Militarized Mining Union
8
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Posted - 2014.09.10 22:07:00 -
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Thanks all for the valuable comments, the case was resolved with corpmates.
Victor |
Victor Vandenberg
World Forge Industries Severasse Militarized Mining Union
9
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Posted - 2014.09.10 22:07:07 -
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Thanks all for the valuable comments, the case was resolved with corpmates.
Victor |
Steijn
Quay Industries
584
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Posted - 2014.09.11 10:26:00 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:Thanks all for the valuable comments, the case was resolved with corpmates.
Victor
not as trustworthy as you thought eh? |
Steijn
Quay Industries
608
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Posted - 2014.09.11 10:26:17 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:Thanks all for the valuable comments, the case was resolved with corpmates.
Victor
not as trustworthy as you thought eh? |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
324
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Posted - 2014.09.11 11:12:00 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:Hello,
Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.
Will be thankful for any ideas.
Victor
You can see your corp assets in space on the corp tab. Check there. If it's not on that list then someone with roles in your corp stole it.
Otherwise it's still there. I remember about .... want to say 5 years ago, there was a bug that could cause the POS to be off grid from zero on the moon Double check that you're warping to the right moon and next time bookmark the tower.
As for more help. If it's on your assets in space list and it's not visible on grid then petition it to CCP. I believe they can move it.
If you want help looking for it and it's in high-sec then I'm willing to help you. (yes, I'm just that kind of guy). I used to live in a wormhole and I've become very handy at finding all of the towers in a system in no-time-flat. I'll probe it out for you.
PM or email me in game if needed.
Cheers, T- |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
379
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Posted - 2014.09.11 11:12:54 -
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Victor Vandenberg wrote:Hello,
Yesterday set up my first POS in HighSec, and this morning found it disappeared. The POS was fully fueled, online and with shields on, but without defense turrets. No any warning messages. May be stolen. Looked in Internet and did not find any explanations on how one may do so.
Will be thankful for any ideas.
Victor
You can see your corp assets in space on the corp tab. Check there. If it's not on that list then someone with roles in your corp stole it.
Otherwise it's still there. I remember about .... want to say 5 years ago, there was a bug that could cause the POS to be off grid from zero on the moon Double check that you're warping to the right moon and next time bookmark the tower.
As for more help. If it's on your assets in space list and it's not visible on grid then petition it to CCP. I believe they can move it.
If you want help looking for it and it's in high-sec then I'm willing to help you. (yes, I'm just that kind of guy). I used to live in a wormhole and I've become very handy at finding all of the towers in a system in no-time-flat. I'll probe it out for you.
PM or email me in game if needed.
Cheers, T- |
Wraymond Arji
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.09.22 17:04:00 -
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War Porcika wrote:Based what you have described, someone from your corp took it. If you are a director, then check your corp mates hangar, maybe you will find it there. I would try to do the search in the system where the POS is.
Demand a full API from every member and then dig through API assets. You will find it in someone's hanger, a wallet transaction selling the tower, or a direct character transfer, which is impossible to prove. Either way on top of the API scrub, I would still petition it and expect to be informed a corp member stole it. It will be someone with starbase roles, directer, or CEO. Your normal low level members without the roles to unanchor a POS would NOT have been able to take it. Until you get your answer DO NOT TRUST any of your leadership or CEO, no matter what. I had a friend for 14 years, grew up together, joined the military, etc. and he gave that friendship up for a couple bill in kills in EVE. People are shady as **** and the more they jockey to prove their friendship the more they should be suspect. Once in-game, remember anything goes and your closest friend is most likely your most devious and crafty enemy... |
Wraymond Arji
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
16
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Posted - 2014.09.22 17:04:26 -
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War Porcika wrote:Based what you have described, someone from your corp took it. If you are a director, then check your corp mates hangar, maybe you will find it there. I would try to do the search in the system where the POS is.
Demand a full API from every member and then dig through API assets. You will find it in someone's hanger, a wallet transaction selling the tower, or a direct character transfer, which is impossible to prove. Either way on top of the API scrub, I would still petition it and expect to be informed a corp member stole it. It will be someone with starbase roles, directer, or CEO. Your normal low level members without the roles to unanchor a POS would NOT have been able to take it. Until you get your answer DO NOT TRUST any of your leadership or CEO, no matter what. I had a friend for 14 years, grew up together, joined the military, etc. and he gave that friendship up for a couple bill in kills in EVE. People are shady as **** and the more they jockey to prove their friendship the more they should be suspect. Once in-game, remember anything goes and your closest friend is most likely your most devious and crafty enemy... |
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