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Naitrayera
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:37:00 -
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Is it possible and viable to train and play to be able to make almost everything you need in game from scratch ?
For example, if you fly t1 frigates and cruisers in pvp. Could it be viable to mine or otherwise obtain minerals yourself for the ships and modules, to resarch t2 bpc-s for modules and only to buy moon minerals needed, or not even that if they can be obtained somehow. Every way of obtaining materials comes to mind, from mining what do you need to ninja looting and salvaging. Offcourse, the requirement for one fitted ship would not only be that you have the skills to fly it but to build as much as you can of it.
I am not sure myself, thats why i am interested in discussing about that :D
To me that sounds like fun way of playing but i dont know would you find problems down the road or would you find yourself spending too much time grinding minerals instead of isk. Or the hassle is not much bigger, idk, maybe it would take just a bit more time to do everything like that, but that would be far more rewarding imho.
What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree.
Edit: Has anybody tried something like that ? What are your experiences ? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4624
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:39:00 -
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Become a F1 grunt in a big alliance and they should fit you out with everything you need for their ops. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
74
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:40:00 -
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Sure, it could be done. But it's just not efficient or worth your time. Better spend an hour and get ISK for maybe 10 fully fitted frigates, compared to spending months on completing the same goal. |
Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:41:00 -
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You should totally do this. Everyone knows that if you mine it all rather than pay isk then the ship is free. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1237
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:46:00 -
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Eleanor Wish wrote:You should totally do this. Everyone knows that if you mine it all rather than pay isk then the ship is free.
There is a huge difference between thinking it's free and trying to do a true solo experience of the game. If you don't want to interact with anyone beside shooting them, you won't have the choice but to mine for ship hulls. If you block the market by making yourself a "house rule", your mining being less efficient than someone without that rule who just buy minerals is irrelevant since you do not play by the same rule set. It's a sandbox after all.
As for the OP's question, it will be possible for a lot of things but T2 will be a challenge because getting the materials without the market is a large problem. You could siphon moons or try to catch haulers I guess... The rest will be a rather large time sink. |
Naitrayera
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:47:00 -
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Offcourse its not free. I didnt meant it that way and i know it is not as time efficient as missions or something. But how more time inefficient is it ?
And there are people that like to fly cruisers and frigates only. For those that like to change ships constantly and try out various ships from various races this is not viable, thats why i am asking i wouldnt do it.
But someone who like slower pace and all may try it, or has tried it allready. I mean if you ninja loot and salvage a few missions to get enough materials for just one fully fitted rifter or some other t1 frigate, is it soo much worse from doing missions ? And you are doing various stuff you need to do towards that goal. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1197
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:49:00 -
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Naitrayera wrote:Is it possible and viable to train and play to be able to make almost everything you need in game from scratch ?
For example, if you fly t1 frigates and cruisers in pvp. Could it be viable to mine or otherwise obtain minerals yourself for the ships and modules, to resarch t2 bpc-s for modules and only to buy moon minerals needed, or not even that if they can be obtained somehow. Every way of obtaining materials comes to mind, from mining what do you need to ninja looting and salvaging. Offcourse, the requirement for one fitted ship would not only be that you have the skills to fly it but to build as much as you can of it.
I am not sure myself, thats why i am interested in discussing about that :D
To me that sounds like fun way of playing but i dont know would you find problems down the road or would you find yourself spending too much time grinding minerals instead of isk. Or the hassle is not much bigger, idk, maybe it would take just a bit more time to do everything like that, but that would be far more rewarding imho.
What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree.
Edit: Has anybody tried something like that ? What are your experiences ?
If you're not paying with PLEX its completely viable. It's pretty fun to build your own stuff also.
*edit* t2 stuff will take forever. When you say "make" i kinda read that as start out mining, build a t1 frig, and build your empire from scratch including killing NPC's and players for the items you use".
You can definitely make a career of being self sufficient, its just a lot of work.
But everything in Eve is. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
278
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:50:00 -
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Its possible and a few people thrive on it as a challenge in game.
But like its been said its highly inefficient as you can make more by specializing and buying things. Also t2 and t3 are nigh on impossible to do. T3 can be done by wormholing, a lot, but t2 your primary products, moon goo, can only be done through POS moon mining in low or null and you need a lot of moons and a reaction farm to do it. So you pretty much are bound to buying t2 and t3 products on some level even if you want to build it yourself.
T1 on the other hand can be done quite easily, but you will find yourself outmatched and overclassed by nearly everyone in the game because of the advantages of meta and t2 gear, neverminding faction, deadspace and officer. So few people that do it stick with it for any extended period of time.
Yet this is your game so if its fun for you to do that then knock yourself out. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Naitrayera
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:55:00 -
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You wond not pay with PLEX offcourse.
Yes, t2 is that which worries me. I mean, that way you woldnt have a proffesion per se... For example.. you need moon goo for new guns, how do you obtain it ? .. You fit a cover ops, stalk transports, find it and steal it. Or... join a large alliance, go into 0.0 and steal some moon go from them... or anything that comes to your mind, this were just a few examples.
Whould be more viable if you have some equipment, ships and modules... and you gradually transfer to that stile of play ? Using some isk in the beginingbut striving to using less and less ? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
823
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:56:00 -
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Naitrayera wrote:What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree. Can it be done? Yes, though it takes some time to get there.
Is it viable? Thats a matter of definition.
Is it efficient? No. Not, if you're trying to do the whole chain by yourself.
Is it fun? Yes, for a short time.
Remove insurance. |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
10955
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:56:00 -
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I make things from scratch, but reselling (I've heard) can make much better ISK than manufacturing and selling.
Since this is EVE, you can try both (provided you have enough personal time for this sort of exploration). Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |
Naitrayera
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:00:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Is it fun? Yes, for a short time.
Thats what i am afraid of... :P
I mean, it seems fun to have "missions" set for yourself like that and do everything yourself... But i am not sure could it be one so its fun for a long time, so it doesnt become dull mining for two hours because you happen to neeed a million trit for that new cruiser and its fittings.
As i mentioned ninja looting and steeling comes to mind, but i dont know could enough materials be obtained that way. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13009
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:19:00 -
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Yea you can do it but why would you? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1197
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:36:00 -
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It's an interesting idea but low on decision making and high on monotonous activity. [witty image] - Stream |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5405
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:41:00 -
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It can be done.
Once you do it though you'll be sorry you did. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11415
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:56:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Become a F1 grunt in a big alliance and they should fit you out with everything you need for their ops. Apart from frigates and destroyers for newbies, alliances generally won't buy your ships for you. Replace them, yes, but you still have to buy the initial ships yourself. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
419
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:11:00 -
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I decided I wanted to built a freighter once. ISK wise an absolutely terrible idea. I mined all the ore. Went into a wormhole to get the rare stuff. Couldn't get the barge out anymore. POS was pretty expensive too. Talked to all kinds of people for blueprints. Found somebody willing to sell me cheap BPC's. Cos he liked my plan.
I think only you can answer your question m8. But let me share this: I really loved the moment when I clicked "deliver".
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
720
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:13:00 -
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Navy fits, maybe T3.
Moon goo and the alchemy system makes solo T2 a pipe dream. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:02:00 -
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I PvP mining barges which drop ore, from which I manufacture Catalysts to PvP more mining barges. It's a perfect closed system. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Vyl Vit
742
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:33:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Become a F1 grunt in a big alliance and they should fit you out with everything you need for their ops. You didn't miss the point there, did you?
I believe it can be done. And, I think it would take forever.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
476
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:07:00 -
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Naitrayera wrote:Offcourse its not free.
But how more time inefficient is it ?
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ALOT less time efficient. It would take YEARS to train every skill you need to do this as efficiently as anyone that has specialised . You can try. But you'll end up spending way more time mining that you would have ratting to make the isk. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9555
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:33:00 -
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While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
marin marinere
The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:52:00 -
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Ah.. I was thinking about this a few days ago, one of the nice things about eve's manufacturing system is that you can theoretically get anything you wanted yourself, just with a varying degree of effort.
For example if you just wanted to go self sufficient with your current isk and assets it should be rather simple. All you would need to do is buy the relevant T1 BPO's from the npc's and get down to some mining, salvaging and the like. Of course it would be pretty impossible to obtain T2 or T3 items without some assistance as moon mining and the shear scale of some projects would require significantly more resources than a single character is likely capable of gathering.
It becomes far more difficult if you wanted to avoid missions or economic interaction in the first place as then all you have to start with is that rookie ship, and without missions you would be stuck with it for a while as the only actual source of isk then becomes rats, and from there you would need to collect enough isk to upgrade from those civilian modules, and eventually be capable of manufacturing frigates which the tutorial would happily give you for a fraction of the time.
The former is pretty viable I think, though I'm just getting into manufacturing and have never tried. Actually trying to avoid any economic interaction what so ever would be a challenge in my opinion.
Sorry if I'm wrong. |
A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome.
Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small ****
I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society"
Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9556
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:10:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome. Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small **** I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society" Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore.
You do realize that there is a happy middle ground between being a fat, pampered worthless gimp who can't start a fire, and crapping in the woods, grass huts, and hemp clothing, right? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11030
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:12:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:
fat diabetics
Dear self appointed eugenecist, please take your bullshit rant somewhere else. Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |
A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:15:00 -
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BTW, OP, you will need ISK for skill books and BPOs. Oh, and you will almost always be outnumbered, so good luck with pirates and griefers |
marin marinere
The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A Skillkilla wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome. Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small **** I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society" Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore. You do realize that there is a happy middle ground between being a fat, pampered worthless gimp who can't start a fire, and crapping in the woods, grass huts, and hemp clothing, right?
Quite right, in our case its the difference between playing on singularity and going completely solo. i.e the happy spot between extreme supply and extreme demand which makes a core component of eve, economic interaction work. |
Solette Cheli
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:19:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:BTW, OP, you will need ISK for skill books and BPOs. Oh, and you will almost always be outnumbered, so good luck with pirates and griefers Hey! That's what I was going to say. Although, if he's willing to not countseeded items as cheating (because he's buying from an npc), he could do the career missions to get a combat frig and then start l1 missions. |
Torneach Structor
Showup Fleet
81
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:40:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small ****
I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society"
Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore. You're a terrible troll, you know. |
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