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Naitrayera
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:37:00 -
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Is it possible and viable to train and play to be able to make almost everything you need in game from scratch ?
For example, if you fly t1 frigates and cruisers in pvp. Could it be viable to mine or otherwise obtain minerals yourself for the ships and modules, to resarch t2 bpc-s for modules and only to buy moon minerals needed, or not even that if they can be obtained somehow. Every way of obtaining materials comes to mind, from mining what do you need to ninja looting and salvaging. Offcourse, the requirement for one fitted ship would not only be that you have the skills to fly it but to build as much as you can of it.
I am not sure myself, thats why i am interested in discussing about that :D
To me that sounds like fun way of playing but i dont know would you find problems down the road or would you find yourself spending too much time grinding minerals instead of isk. Or the hassle is not much bigger, idk, maybe it would take just a bit more time to do everything like that, but that would be far more rewarding imho.
What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree.
Edit: Has anybody tried something like that ? What are your experiences ? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4624
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:39:00 -
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Become a F1 grunt in a big alliance and they should fit you out with everything you need for their ops. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
74
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:40:00 -
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Sure, it could be done. But it's just not efficient or worth your time. Better spend an hour and get ISK for maybe 10 fully fitted frigates, compared to spending months on completing the same goal. |
Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:41:00 -
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You should totally do this. Everyone knows that if you mine it all rather than pay isk then the ship is free. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1237
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:46:00 -
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Eleanor Wish wrote:You should totally do this. Everyone knows that if you mine it all rather than pay isk then the ship is free.
There is a huge difference between thinking it's free and trying to do a true solo experience of the game. If you don't want to interact with anyone beside shooting them, you won't have the choice but to mine for ship hulls. If you block the market by making yourself a "house rule", your mining being less efficient than someone without that rule who just buy minerals is irrelevant since you do not play by the same rule set. It's a sandbox after all.
As for the OP's question, it will be possible for a lot of things but T2 will be a challenge because getting the materials without the market is a large problem. You could siphon moons or try to catch haulers I guess... The rest will be a rather large time sink. |
Naitrayera
Arthashastra
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:47:00 -
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Offcourse its not free. I didnt meant it that way and i know it is not as time efficient as missions or something. But how more time inefficient is it ?
And there are people that like to fly cruisers and frigates only. For those that like to change ships constantly and try out various ships from various races this is not viable, thats why i am asking i wouldnt do it.
But someone who like slower pace and all may try it, or has tried it allready. I mean if you ninja loot and salvage a few missions to get enough materials for just one fully fitted rifter or some other t1 frigate, is it soo much worse from doing missions ? And you are doing various stuff you need to do towards that goal. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1197
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:49:00 -
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Naitrayera wrote:Is it possible and viable to train and play to be able to make almost everything you need in game from scratch ?
For example, if you fly t1 frigates and cruisers in pvp. Could it be viable to mine or otherwise obtain minerals yourself for the ships and modules, to resarch t2 bpc-s for modules and only to buy moon minerals needed, or not even that if they can be obtained somehow. Every way of obtaining materials comes to mind, from mining what do you need to ninja looting and salvaging. Offcourse, the requirement for one fitted ship would not only be that you have the skills to fly it but to build as much as you can of it.
I am not sure myself, thats why i am interested in discussing about that :D
To me that sounds like fun way of playing but i dont know would you find problems down the road or would you find yourself spending too much time grinding minerals instead of isk. Or the hassle is not much bigger, idk, maybe it would take just a bit more time to do everything like that, but that would be far more rewarding imho.
What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree.
Edit: Has anybody tried something like that ? What are your experiences ?
If you're not paying with PLEX its completely viable. It's pretty fun to build your own stuff also.
*edit* t2 stuff will take forever. When you say "make" i kinda read that as start out mining, build a t1 frig, and build your empire from scratch including killing NPC's and players for the items you use".
You can definitely make a career of being self sufficient, its just a lot of work.
But everything in Eve is. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
278
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:50:00 -
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Its possible and a few people thrive on it as a challenge in game.
But like its been said its highly inefficient as you can make more by specializing and buying things. Also t2 and t3 are nigh on impossible to do. T3 can be done by wormholing, a lot, but t2 your primary products, moon goo, can only be done through POS moon mining in low or null and you need a lot of moons and a reaction farm to do it. So you pretty much are bound to buying t2 and t3 products on some level even if you want to build it yourself.
T1 on the other hand can be done quite easily, but you will find yourself outmatched and overclassed by nearly everyone in the game because of the advantages of meta and t2 gear, neverminding faction, deadspace and officer. So few people that do it stick with it for any extended period of time.
Yet this is your game so if its fun for you to do that then knock yourself out. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |
Naitrayera
Arthashastra
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:55:00 -
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You wond not pay with PLEX offcourse.
Yes, t2 is that which worries me. I mean, that way you woldnt have a proffesion per se... For example.. you need moon goo for new guns, how do you obtain it ? .. You fit a cover ops, stalk transports, find it and steal it. Or... join a large alliance, go into 0.0 and steal some moon go from them... or anything that comes to your mind, this were just a few examples.
Whould be more viable if you have some equipment, ships and modules... and you gradually transfer to that stile of play ? Using some isk in the beginingbut striving to using less and less ? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
823
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:56:00 -
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Naitrayera wrote:What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree. Can it be done? Yes, though it takes some time to get there.
Is it viable? Thats a matter of definition.
Is it efficient? No. Not, if you're trying to do the whole chain by yourself.
Is it fun? Yes, for a short time.
Remove insurance. |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
10955
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:56:00 -
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I make things from scratch, but reselling (I've heard) can make much better ISK than manufacturing and selling.
Since this is EVE, you can try both (provided you have enough personal time for this sort of exploration). Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |
Naitrayera
Arthashastra
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:00:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Is it fun? Yes, for a short time.
Thats what i am afraid of... :P
I mean, it seems fun to have "missions" set for yourself like that and do everything yourself... But i am not sure could it be one so its fun for a long time, so it doesnt become dull mining for two hours because you happen to neeed a million trit for that new cruiser and its fittings.
As i mentioned ninja looting and steeling comes to mind, but i dont know could enough materials be obtained that way. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13009
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:19:00 -
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Yea you can do it but why would you? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1197
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:36:00 -
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It's an interesting idea but low on decision making and high on monotonous activity. [witty image] - Stream |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5405
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:41:00 -
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It can be done.
Once you do it though you'll be sorry you did. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11415
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:56:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Become a F1 grunt in a big alliance and they should fit you out with everything you need for their ops. Apart from frigates and destroyers for newbies, alliances generally won't buy your ships for you. Replace them, yes, but you still have to buy the initial ships yourself. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
419
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Posted - 2014.09.07 21:11:00 -
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I decided I wanted to built a freighter once. ISK wise an absolutely terrible idea. I mined all the ore. Went into a wormhole to get the rare stuff. Couldn't get the barge out anymore. POS was pretty expensive too. Talked to all kinds of people for blueprints. Found somebody willing to sell me cheap BPC's. Cos he liked my plan.
I think only you can answer your question m8. But let me share this: I really loved the moment when I clicked "deliver".
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
720
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Posted - 2014.09.07 22:13:00 -
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Navy fits, maybe T3.
Moon goo and the alchemy system makes solo T2 a pipe dream. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
216
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:02:00 -
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I PvP mining barges which drop ore, from which I manufacture Catalysts to PvP more mining barges. It's a perfect closed system. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Vyl Vit
742
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:33:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Become a F1 grunt in a big alliance and they should fit you out with everything you need for their ops. You didn't miss the point there, did you?
I believe it can be done. And, I think it would take forever.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
476
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:07:00 -
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Naitrayera wrote:Offcourse its not free.
But how more time inefficient is it ?
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ALOT less time efficient. It would take YEARS to train every skill you need to do this as efficiently as anyone that has specialised . You can try. But you'll end up spending way more time mining that you would have ratting to make the isk. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9555
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:33:00 -
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While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
marin marinere
The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:52:00 -
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Ah.. I was thinking about this a few days ago, one of the nice things about eve's manufacturing system is that you can theoretically get anything you wanted yourself, just with a varying degree of effort.
For example if you just wanted to go self sufficient with your current isk and assets it should be rather simple. All you would need to do is buy the relevant T1 BPO's from the npc's and get down to some mining, salvaging and the like. Of course it would be pretty impossible to obtain T2 or T3 items without some assistance as moon mining and the shear scale of some projects would require significantly more resources than a single character is likely capable of gathering.
It becomes far more difficult if you wanted to avoid missions or economic interaction in the first place as then all you have to start with is that rookie ship, and without missions you would be stuck with it for a while as the only actual source of isk then becomes rats, and from there you would need to collect enough isk to upgrade from those civilian modules, and eventually be capable of manufacturing frigates which the tutorial would happily give you for a fraction of the time.
The former is pretty viable I think, though I'm just getting into manufacturing and have never tried. Actually trying to avoid any economic interaction what so ever would be a challenge in my opinion.
Sorry if I'm wrong. |
A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome.
Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small ****
I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society"
Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9556
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:10:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome. Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small **** I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society" Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore.
You do realize that there is a happy middle ground between being a fat, pampered worthless gimp who can't start a fire, and crapping in the woods, grass huts, and hemp clothing, right? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11030
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:12:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:
fat diabetics
Dear self appointed eugenecist, please take your bullshit rant somewhere else. Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |
A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:15:00 -
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BTW, OP, you will need ISK for skill books and BPOs. Oh, and you will almost always be outnumbered, so good luck with pirates and griefers |
marin marinere
The New Gallentean Combine Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A Skillkilla wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome. Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small **** I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society" Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore. You do realize that there is a happy middle ground between being a fat, pampered worthless gimp who can't start a fire, and crapping in the woods, grass huts, and hemp clothing, right?
Quite right, in our case its the difference between playing on singularity and going completely solo. i.e the happy spot between extreme supply and extreme demand which makes a core component of eve, economic interaction work. |
Solette Cheli
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:19:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:BTW, OP, you will need ISK for skill books and BPOs. Oh, and you will almost always be outnumbered, so good luck with pirates and griefers Hey! That's what I was going to say. Although, if he's willing to not countseeded items as cheating (because he's buying from an npc), he could do the career missions to get a combat frig and then start l1 missions. |
Torneach Structor
Showup Fleet
81
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:40:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small ****
I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society"
Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore. You're a terrible troll, you know. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
7510
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:43:00 -
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I contemplated trying this a while back, but in the end chose to instead, spread skills across two characters, which allowed me to both develop pvp skills and industrial skills at a faster rate.
If you have the patience, then it's viable; but for each industry skill you train, you are sacrificing a pvp skill and vice versa.
The net result is it stretches the time required to achieve proficiency in whatever it is you want to do.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
LAGL 4 LYF |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.09.08 05:04:00 -
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I started off as a miner.
I then realised that I need to mission to get my standings up for perfect refining.
I decided that I would build my first battleship instead of buying from the market. I mined and refined all the materials to build it and it was quite satisfying to have it ready to jump in to by the time i had the skills to pilot it. I bought the fittings though as you can only manufacture meta 0 or 5 yourself or from loot and that sounded a bit tedious.
I think the idea is interesting but I think it will become tiresome. Maybe just stick to building your own ships for example and buy other stuff |
Lister Vindaloo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.09.08 05:57:00 -
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You pretty much describe my play style. Yes, it's not for everyone Yes, don't expect to PLEX your account Yes, efficiency is bad
But I do it coz of the self sufficiency side, I enjoy it, expect to still grind iskies, BPOs cost. I fly t2 frigs and cruisers, my first battleship was built from reprocessing modules, I can build all my own t2 modules and t1 rigs, I still need the market but mostly for moon materials, bpo's and a few other odds and ends.
Advice to the budding eve-survivalist: - PI and exploration is essential, great ISK and useful bits - Hoard and research + copy bpo's you will need em - Science skills to 4, not only for your t2 but datacores can be expensive to buy - Patience!!! If you need to press button recieve bacon, don't even bother
Lots of negative opinions here already but it is possible, build your sandcastle anyway you want, ISK/hr isn't the only way to play
Have fun |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
721
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Posted - 2014.09.08 06:09:00 -
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Until you start wanting T2 gear, yes it's pretty easy to do.
You don't even really need to mine, though that would speed some things up. I am able to regularly produce the occasional battleships out of minerals I get just from reprocessing. I commonly make the rigs I use from salvage I get myself. There are a few things you will have to move around for, depending on what rigs you want...but most of my mission battleships just get 3 Capacitor Control Circuits.
You could do the T2 Gear and ships too, but now you are looking at a whole ton of training in industrial and research skills on top of your combat skills you are running missions with.
In addition, if your solo experience included acquiring pirate faction ships, SOE are the only ones I know of you can get in high sec, and if you go low or null you wont be alone very long. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
249
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:13:00 -
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I find myself regulary undocking with almost burned out modules, because I tend to fit modules I looted from pvp ships. Going into FW lowsec and shooting the people there should give you a nice supply of small ship T2 modules. |
Naitrayera
Arthashastra
1
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:27:00 -
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I agree that you may have to use market for some stuff, moon materials for example. But in a large degree it seems that it could be viable. As the poster above me says, if you loot t2 modules from ships, for some you dont have you buy moon minerals and you manufacture them. You can steal salvage and t1 modules from peoples missions to have enough minerals for ship hulls. You probably can train another character on the same account only for industry, while you train your main in pvp. ( yes that would cost double the subscription, might as well get an alt account also )
Maybe gradual transfer to that type of play would be more fun and viable with less time consuming stuff, like mining. In a way that you use isk untill you figured out how to get everything you need and how much of stuff you need to buy. I mean for example, pbpc-s and skillbooks you will always have to buy. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:32:00 -
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No
Good luck doing anything without paying tax on it "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
A while ago i set out to live on my own in lowsec and planned to build most things. But it's just too tedious to build t2 modules i'm afraid. And you end up having to buy at least most materials for them which kinda defeats the purpose of not just buying the finished product.
If you're content in flying around with often suboptimal meta stuff and t1 ships go for it (being in militia like me actually helps a lot because it's easy access to some nice faction things).
But one character by itself will have a lot of limitations in what it can do. I still live in lowsec by myself but i buy and trade now.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2638
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Posted - 2014.09.08 09:57:00 -
[39] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:
I make things from scratch, but reselling (I've heard) can make much better ISK than manufacturing and selling.
Not necessarily -- the buy and resell people kinda rely on the manufacturing people to make enough margin over minerals while still leaving enough margin for [the buy/resell pilots] to profit off of.
However, trading has fewer input variables that can totally muck up your calculations ... so it's "easier" in that sense.
edit -- also, liking the portrait One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:03:00 -
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You ******* idiot. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1404
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:07:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Become a F1 grunt in a big alliance and they should fit you out with everything you need for their ops.
What he is saying is that Yes, you can be a parasite living off a host.
It's not much of an accomplishment though.
Learning to be self sufficient in EVE is a reward in itself.
No need for luck, all tools are here right in front of your keyboard and monitor to achieve that goal.
Eve needs more people like you *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
412
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:19:00 -
[42] - Quote
When I started playing EVE, I did exactly that. I set myself a goal and worked towards it. That first goal was a T1 cruiser, a Thorax. I wanted to create this Thorax myself, so I trained mining, reprocessing and production skills and set out to mine the minerals and build the ship. It worked and it's a nice achievement to remember.
However, it was the year AD 2003 and EVE was much less complex back then. Not so many people were already focused on certain playstiles like manufacturing and mining and it was more viable to do these things by yourself. Even back then, after I finished the Thorax, I did not bother to repeat the same process for my first Megathron. I just made the isk to buy the ship.
So, give it a try, get a personal achievement and decide for yourself if it's worth to you to continue that way. Just be prepared to "waste" a lot of skill training to be able to do something maybe once and less effective than the guys who are specialized already. |
Aurora Tali
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.09.08 11:02:00 -
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the idea sounds wonderfull and also sounds like everything you want to do takes 10 times more time ... craftanything for yourself and than researching T2 BPC-¦s you need the items to craft these it justsounds like a Hell Lot of Work only to avoid the Market ... but Mining Rating doing Missions for isk and Buy the stuff is alot easyer than ... Mning Salvaging doin whatever you need to do for the Data thingys you need for T2 Research ... but i kno nothing and my Condor Manufracur in Nullsec is Just for Fun and getting rid of the unwanted loot that i Reprocessed ^^ |
Lister Vindaloo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.09.08 11:59:00 -
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Buying everything you need from the market IS easier, but I've never found easy as rewarding.
Eve survivalism/self sufficiency is it's own reward, the win is in knowing you built those 10 t2 dcu's and anytime you need to you can build 10 more, no 8 jump trip to save 150k. As a dedicated survivalist I have billions in hulls and modules, I'm a have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it kind of guy, the vast majority of these have been built by me and stockpiled or harvested from missions, I just wish the only argument against this play style was something other than "efficiency" or "not fun", I find it fun, maybe the OP will as well, the only way to know is to try, but it's a long haul to true self sufficiency, no different to real life, easy is not the same as rewarding, if you want easy join a big alliance, F1 is just to the right of Esc..... |
A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 13:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:A Skillkilla wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:While this is theoretically possible, I would not recommend it.
You'd become the space equivalent of one of those survivalist people who claim that they don't need a toilet because they use all their waste for "organic composting" fertilizing their vegetable gardens.
But it turns out? Having running water and electricity is awesome. Don't be so sure... Smart phone, dumb man Fast car, weak legs Big gun, small **** I've seen blind, re tarded, fat diabetics get married and have children thanks to "society" Technology is a gift, and a curse. Better go into genetic engineering... cuz the human race can't evolve naturally anymore. You do realize that there is a happy middle ground between being a fat, pampered worthless gimp who can't start a fire, and crapping in the woods, grass huts, and hemp clothing, right?
What do you mean, middleground? I'm talking about social progression, how there are NO criteria to reproduction whatsoever, because for every genetic flaw there will be 'correctional technology'. I'm not saying shitting in the woods is awesome, I'm saying that there is no evolution whatsoever due to replacing "what you are" with "what you have" (got that quote from Lucy lol). In fact, there is devolution:
IQ drop in last century One third of US population is OBESE (higher grade than overweight) The wealthiest man in the world is a wheelchair salesman
Oh, and the pinnacle of fitness in modern day society is winning at MATHLETICS competitions. If only because POLICEMAN enforce the rules of mathletics with real physical force. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
76
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Posted - 2014.09.08 13:32:00 -
[46] - Quote
Naitrayera wrote:Is it possible and viable to train and play to be able to make almost everything you need in game from scratch ?
For example, if you fly t1 frigates and cruisers in pvp. Could it be viable to mine or otherwise obtain minerals yourself for the ships and modules, to resarch t2 bpc-s for modules and only to buy moon minerals needed, or not even that if they can be obtained somehow. Every way of obtaining materials comes to mind, from mining what do you need to ninja looting and salvaging. Offcourse, the requirement for one fitted ship would not only be that you have the skills to fly it but to build as much as you can of it.
I am not sure myself, thats why i am interested in discussing about that :D
To me that sounds like fun way of playing but i dont know would you find problems down the road or would you find yourself spending too much time grinding minerals instead of isk. Or the hassle is not much bigger, idk, maybe it would take just a bit more time to do everything like that, but that would be far more rewarding imho.
What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree.
Edit: Has anybody tried something like that ? What are your experiences ?
yes you can, no I wouldn't want to.
The thing about it is I only produce ammo, for myself and corp mates, but I buy the minerals because it would take so long to mine what I've already used it's not funny.
I've looked into building ships and while you *can* do it, I don't think it would be very fun from my experiences |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6909
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Posted - 2014.09.08 13:33:00 -
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A Skillkilla wrote:POLICEMAN enforce the rules of mathletics with real physical force.
"What's 1+1?"
"Uhm...2?"
"NO! ITS -ú%$&*% 5 YOU LITTLE CRETIN"
*beating sounds ensue*
"Now, what's 1+1?"
"f--fhuvvv..." *spits out bits of teeth*
Coooollll
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:05:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:A Skillkilla wrote:POLICEMAN enforce the rules of mathletics with real physical force. "What's 1+1?" "Uhm...2?" "NO! ITS -ú%$&*% 5 YOU LITTLE CRETIN" *beating sounds ensue* "Now, what's 1+1?" "f--fhuvvv..." *spits out bits of teeth* Coooollll
I meant that a jock will starve to death if he doesn't have the correct amount of US dollars, because the police will prevent him from getting food |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11128
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:31:00 -
[49] - Quote
You never will have accomplished anything close to what this fellow in a wheelchair has. The waste of genes and oxygen you are ranting about is your own self.
Kindly stop posting on EVE forums about your pedantic real life viewpoints. They have no bearing here.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |
Rain6637
Team Evil
18454
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:32:00 -
[50] - Quote
boosh!
damn, misfire. snipes come on even number tens places. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6913
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:47:00 -
[51] - Quote
A Skillkilla wrote: I meant that a jock will starve to death if he doesn't have the correct amount of US dollars, because the police will prevent him from getting food
"CORRECT CHANGE ONLY"
"But...but I only have a $20 note..."
"YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY"
"Aiiieee!!""
*gunfire* "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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James Nikolas Tesla
The True Patriots of New Eden
170
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:59:00 -
[52] - Quote
I mine and build all of my own T1 ships, it does take a long time. - |
Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 15:13:00 -
[53] - Quote
It's a gameplay option - I think that people sometimes forget that not everyone wants to play the game in the same way that they do.
So to answer the question, it's yes and no. You could definitely be self sufficient in building your own stuff and/or using only stuff that you loot. Ultimately, there will be a limit on what you can get without spending any isk and you will have to make an investment in isk somewhere like in blueprints.
I played this way for a couple of months on an alt one time just for a change. It was somewhat fun because everything meant more. A decent loot drop was seen as excitement vs just another module to sell. A lose was seen as a huge set back because it meant having to mine the resources to replace the ship. It was fun for awhile because of the change. Then I realized that I like shiny things so went back to my pimped main. Still, I might have to dust off that alt and pick it up again just for a change. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
727
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Posted - 2014.09.08 15:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
Naitrayera wrote:Is it possible and viable to train and play to be able to make almost everything you need in game from scratch ?
For example, if you fly t1 frigates and cruisers in pvp. Could it be viable to mine or otherwise obtain minerals yourself for the ships and modules, to resarch t2 bpc-s for modules and only to buy moon minerals needed, or not even that if they can be obtained somehow. Every way of obtaining materials comes to mind, from mining what do you need to ninja looting and salvaging. Offcourse, the requirement for one fitted ship would not only be that you have the skills to fly it but to build as much as you can of it.
I am not sure myself, thats why i am interested in discussing about that :D
To me that sounds like fun way of playing but i dont know would you find problems down the road or would you find yourself spending too much time grinding minerals instead of isk. Or the hassle is not much bigger, idk, maybe it would take just a bit more time to do everything like that, but that would be far more rewarding imho.
What do you think, could that be viable and time efficient to a degree.
Edit: Has anybody tried something like that ? What are your experiences ?
I actually started this about 3 months ago as a challenge and to do something different. "Operation Bootstrap" has been interesting, starting with a t1 frig and BP's. From what I've seen so far I believe it would be extremely painful if you were really trying to support an active PvP habit.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:37:00 -
[55] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:You never will have accomplished anything close to what this fellow in a wheelchair has. The waste of genes and oxygen you are ranting about is your own self. Kindly stop posting on EVE forums about your pedantic real life viewpoints. They have no bearing here.
He accomplished nothing.nothing at all.
Einstein found neutron chain reaction. But keep in mind, he didn't discover it because he knew society needed more energy, he discovered it because he was a self-absorbed student who wanted to spend his entire life investigating the "mysteries of the universe"... and getting paid for it.
Besides, society didn't need more energy... That "discovery" was just an enabler for human gluttony.
Oh and the cat scan and the MRI. Brilliant. Let's increase the life expectancy even longer so the sprawling suburbs can expand EVEN FURTHER!
Every day, billions are spent on particle colliders to uncover subatomic particles that compose the once considered unit of atom. So far, the only real technology coming from advanced study of quantum mechanics is the superconducting magnet and the maglev... Technology that hasn't even been implemented yet, because it's not THAT useful.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6919
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:41:00 -
[56] - Quote
A Skillkilla wrote: Oh and the cat scan and the MRI. Brilliant. Let's increase the life expectancy even longer so the sprawling suburbs can expand EVEN FURTHER!
Whats wrong with that?
A Skillkilla wrote:Every day, billions are spent on particle colliders to uncover subatomic particles that compose the once considered unit of atom.
So? Again, is it your personal billions? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8081
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
A Skillkilla wrote:Sibyyl wrote:You never will have accomplished anything close to what this fellow in a wheelchair has. The waste of genes and oxygen you are ranting about is your own self. Kindly stop posting on EVE forums about your pedantic real life viewpoints. They have no bearing here. He accomplished nothing.nothing at all. Einstein found neutron chain reaction. But keep in mind, he didn't discover it because he knew society needed more energy, he discovered it because he was a self-absorbed student who wanted to spend his entire life investigating the "mysteries of the universe"... and getting paid for it. Besides, society didn't need more energy... That "discovery" was just an enabler for human gluttony. Oh and the cat scan and the MRI. Brilliant. Let's increase the life expectancy even longer so the sprawling suburbs can expand EVEN FURTHER! Every day, billions are spent on particle colliders to uncover subatomic particles that compose the once considered unit of atom. So far, the only real technology coming from advanced study of quantum mechanics is the superconducting magnet and the maglev... Technology that hasn't even been implemented yet, because it's not THAT useful.
The internet : That thing that creates a place for oxygen thieving people who have contributed exactly nothing to humanity to critique those that have.
Obviously Einstein was a bad person for accepting money for work, it's not like he was a human (aka an animal that needed food shelter and clothing in order to survive) or anything as mundane as that.. |
Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
345
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:52:00 -
[58] - Quote
Yes it is possible.
It will take alot of time and effort. You must be willing to start slow and work your way up. You will need to train, mine, acquire blueprints, run missions to attain standings to help in refining effiency.
If you move to 0.0 and get access to corp POSes with labs/refining/manufacturing arraays you are all setup :) If not you will also need to acquire those as well as the skills to use/anchor them.
Or use a hisec station and take the hits in the process.
You will learn ALOT and see aspects of Eve quite a few players have not by going this route. But as I said it requires patience and persistance. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
218
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:35:00 -
[59] - Quote
A Skillkilla wrote:So far, the only real technology coming from advanced study of quantum mechanics is the superconducting magnet and the maglev... Technology that hasn't even been implemented yet, because it's not THAT useful. You are quite mistaken. The very machine you are typing this nonsense on could not be produced without an understanding of a whole set of theories based on quantum mechanics.
Also why don't you move your nonsense to an own thread in OOPE instead of derailing this one? the Code ALWAYS wins |
A Skillkilla
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.08 22:14:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:A Skillkilla wrote:So far, the only real technology coming from advanced study of quantum mechanics is the superconducting magnet and the maglev... Technology that hasn't even been implemented yet, because it's not THAT useful. You are quite mistaken. The very machine you are typing this nonsense on could not be produced without an understanding of a whole set of theories based on quantum mechanics. Also why don't you move your nonsense to an own thread in OOPE instead of derailing this one?
Are you joking? I'm talking about subatomic physics, you know, the one being researched by theoretical physicists. Not quantum physics, the name given post-discovery to various electron phenomena |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
218
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Posted - 2014.09.08 22:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
never mind.
this was an answer to the crackpot who's posts got wiped by the ISD. Ty so much! the Code ALWAYS wins |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2119
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Posted - 2014.09.08 22:48:00 -
[62] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
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