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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.07.31 08:58:00 -
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well im a new player 3-4 weeks in and every pirate i have met has died to me after issuing his "25 mil or die" or words to that effect. Do people actually pay ransoms and is it only children that take the part of pirates ?
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:04:00 -
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Yes a lot of people will pay ransoms.
And no not only kids are pirates, I'm 23 ffs, getting old
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:12:00 -
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Yep, people pay on a regular basis. However, there are also a lot who just calls your mother a ***** or something like that, and then dies horribly.
And yes, I'm afraid that all pirates in EVE are played by 12-year-olds, most of whoom also play Counterstrike and XBOX live, and they freak out and beat up pets and smaller children should they happen to die.
This is a how most pirates in EVE are. Just switch out the CS for EVE.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:15:00 -
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LOL
Ive played cs/dod since beta 1, Guesse that must be why I'm a griefer in Eve
**Chants CPL**
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:35:00 -
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You're 23, and still type like that?
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vile56
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:38:00 -
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im 23 and i still type like ****.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:40:00 -
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Type like what, This is a public forum used for fun
NOT correspondance to anyone regarding my work etc... who cares.
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vile56
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:45:00 -
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u just said u were at work, wish i could come on eve-o and ***** dammit.
and if u were to spend time looking at my older posts, u would see a vast improvement.
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 09:49:00 -
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Yep, people pay ransoms. I would pay if it was cheaper than losing my ship.
And aye, most pirates are between 14-16 years of age according to the latest pirate poll. Most get beat up in school and try to make up for it by shooting the mature people in EVE. Makes them feel good about themselves.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.31 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 31/07/2006 10:04:05 It's been quite a while since I've pirated (belt pirating not gate camping) but here are some basic tips I've found that tend to improve your chances of somone paying.
Knock them into half armour. - You want to make sure they know in no uncertain terms you can kill them. It's also handy if they try to call their mates in as you can finish them off nice and quick.
Be quick and polite. - When making a convo ransom just have one short and simple message you can paste in there. Keep it nice and polite. I don't mean you gotta say please and thank you but being an ass or just plain arrogant doesn't make you look cool or tough and it doesn't help your chances of getting the isk.
Time limit - Don't give the victim a chance to think. Make your demands and give them a short time to pay in. Don't let them stall you, at most give them an extra 20 seconds if they agree to pay and no more. This ensures they won't have a chance to call in their mates.
Don't be greedy - When ransoming you should only ever ask for maybe 20% of their ships market value (unless you know they are loaded with some high end stuff or have implants). It won't make you rich quick but it will mean you make isk more regularly from ransoming. Pods are generally good for ransoms between 5 to 10mil.
A typical ransom message I'd paste would be: "Send me XX isk or die. 30 seconds."
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Awox
Awox Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Awox on 31/07/2006 11:09:12
Originally by: Rayvonuk well im a new player 3-4 weeks in and every pirate i have met has died to me after issuing his "25 mil or die" or words to that effect. Do people actually pay ransoms and is it only children that take the part of pirates ?
Eh come on, I only asked you for 2 or 3m?
But then when you were in hull damage I thought it would be funny to load my 280s with Quake and do some drive bys in web range.. man that was dumb.
Edit: I'm not ancient but I certainly don't think I am a "child", heh. Oh, and it still sucks that the MH-Sec dude (bathulas or wtfever) came in after you beat me and stole the t2 stuff from my cans, should have gone to you. - nerf 0.5+ |
Niivvy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:56:00 -
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Quote: And no not only kids are pirates, I'm 23 ffs, getting old
jesus u make me feel old. in turning 29!!! soon be having a mid life crisis
Ill soon need to go buy a pimped out rattlesnake in a vain attempt to hold on to my youth
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Darius Falc
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Niivvy
Quote: And no not only kids are pirates, I'm 23 ffs, getting old
jesus u make me feel old. in turning 29!!! soon be having a mid life crisis
Ill soon need to go buy a pimped out rattlesnake in a vain attempt to hold on to my youth
You think you've got problems...I'm 40 next year. I don't know what it is but I still get this urge to wear an eye patch, buy a parrot and shout YARRR! at an unreasonably loud volume. (I don't kick my cat but I occasionally feel like it wouldn't be a bad idea.)
You know I always come back to the same basic thing....<0.5 is dangerous...says so when you jump, if you're not willing to take the risk of being killed or ransomed then stay the hell out of it.
If you take the risk then don't whine when someone blow's you into teenee bits because you've refused to pay a ransom.
DF. ***********************************************
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Awox Edited by: Awox on 31/07/2006 11:09:12
Originally by: Rayvonuk well im a new player 3-4 weeks in and every pirate i have met has died to me after issuing his "25 mil or die" or words to that effect. Do people actually pay ransoms and is it only children that take the part of pirates ?
Eh come on, I only asked you for 2 or 3m?
But then when you were in hull damage I thought it would be funny to load my 280s with Quake and do some drive bys in web range.. man that was dumb.
Edit: I'm not ancient but I certainly don't think I am a "child", heh. Oh, and it still sucks that the MH-Sec dude (bathulas or wtfever) came in after you beat me and stole the t2 stuff from my cans, should have gone to you.
i blew up 2 more dudes after you, before your m8 got me, both asked for 25, and both were much easier to kill than you were also. Just made me laugh all night that everytime i got ransomed the ransomers got done over.
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Belhorn Battlebeard
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:34:00 -
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TBH I prolly wouldn't ransom a young player personally, mainly because I know they wouldn't have enough isk to make it worth my while (unless they have "ALT" written all over them and there's a chance they may be loaded, hehe).
At the end of the day, it's all about making isk - but pirates still enjoy the feeling of podding someone if they're sure there's nothing to gain from letting them go.
And a footnote.... TURBULENT will ALWAYS honour ransoms, paying victims will go free.
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Thut'ankh Amon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.31 13:50:00 -
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Yes people pay ransoms, be nice and polite to them and they will most of the times act same way... or they will die simple as that
There can be only one Amon
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kublai
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Posted - 2006.07.31 14:54:00 -
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tbh, if your attacker is from pirate coalition, snigg, veto etc any known pirate corp or alliance, the ransom -will- be honored, and if it is not, whoever killed you will be kicked from his corporation if you tell his CEO (now if having a guy who blows you up kicked isnt worth a few mill, then I dont know what is).
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Dupac
Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:05:00 -
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Ignoring the trolling of the OP
Yes they pay and yes we honour the ransoms.
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Jex Jast
Perfect Order
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:41:00 -
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I have always asked the opposite question: Do people ever offer them?
I know that my corp does, I do, and that many do, but I just always seem to run into the kind of people who say "I don't care about the money, I have loads of it." "I wasn't looking for loot either, I don't need it."
To me that's just plain griefing. No profit in it for him/her, maybe points on a killboard.
I always ransom even if it's a noob in a condor (usually ask about 50-100k so I can make some kind of money and he learns the "less hard" way not to come waltzing into lowsec because he killed the deadspace training rats). If they don't pay, blam.
Caught a few noobs afk too.
But the point is ransoming is not done enough either way. Not asked enough, not paid enough. ___________________________________________
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Savesti Kyrsst
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:43:00 -
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I made the mistake of trying to hunt a pirate on my second week in a destroyer and got ransomed for my trouble... yes I paid and yes she honoured it, it was a good fight.
I came back last night in a cruiser and podded her... didn't ransom her as her two mates were about in cruisers and one was sitting at 20k, don't know why it didn't go for me tbh. Hope she didn't have expensive implants heh, though I doubt it. Then I made like an egg and ran...
Ironically her bounty was about 65k more than the ransom was.
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Awox
Awox Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast To me that's just plain griefing. No profit in it for him/her, maybe points on a killboard.
Ganking can be fun but I don't like "pirates" who NPC (carebear) for hours to buy t2 gankmobiles. - nerf 0.5+ |
Vulpis Lenchov
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:56:00 -
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I've been offered ransoms a couple of times before, but never payed because the ransom was ridiculous. Both times the ransomer said they had a system, but I seriously doubted their ability to grasp economics. The first time I had already lost my ship, and as a 1 month old character with no implants was offered 10m not to lose my pod. The next time I was in a shuttle, had made it safely to a station, and was offered 25m for safe passage out.
I'd pay a ransom if I thought it was a fair price but I can see why so many people refuse to when the demands are so high.
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Ceiri
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Posted - 2006.07.31 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Type like what, This is a public forum used for fun
NOT correspondance to anyone regarding my work etc... who cares.
Alliaanna
Isn't that like admitting you're not able to write like an adult without a spelling or grammar checker?
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Portios Smith
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Portios Smith on 31/07/2006 22:36:06 I've ransomed 3 people, they all paid, they all got to leave safely. I am relatively new so I charge 50% of ship's market price. 125K for frigs (thinking bout just poping this) 2mill for Tier2 cruisers 3mill for tier3 cruisers 10mill for BC cruiser I'd **** my pants if I could ransom a BS
all the TII ships pwn me so I dont get to ransom those yet
No pods, got to get some more ISK and skills before I take the hardcore plunge in to outlaw.
BTW I am 34 and most of the people I know in my group are old farts too.
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.31 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ceiri
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Type like what, This is a public forum used for fun
NOT correspondance to anyone regarding my work etc... who cares.
Alliaanna
Isn't that like admitting you're not able to write like an adult without a spelling or grammar checker?
No it prob has more to do with the fact that he/she doesn't want to be bothered thinking about every single word, and proper sentance structure of every single thing he writes onto these forums. I don't either, though I have no problems writing at all, but for the forums of an online game, who's going to take that effort?
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TuRtLe HeAd
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.07.31 22:59:00 -
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not if they are smart.
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Ceiri
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Posted - 2006.07.31 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth No it prob has more to do with the fact that he/she doesn't want to be bothered thinking about every single word, and proper sentance structure of every single thing he writes onto these forums. I don't either, though I have no problems writing at all, but for the forums of an online game, who's going to take that effort?
Well, my point is that for a moderately literate person, it doesn't take any effort.
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.07.31 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: ****c Ignoring the trolling of the OP
saying that is trolling more than me you*****.
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Portios Smith
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rayvonuk
Originally by: ****c Ignoring the trolling of the OP
saying that is trolling more than me you*****.
Dude, your OP was lame, a 3-4 week old player braging he killed every pirate he met is going to get some heat. learn to take it. you prolly got attacked by month old noobs with crappy setups. if at all
Head out to Amamake/Egghelende, Tell us how it goes
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.08.01 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Portios Smith
Originally by: Rayvonuk
Originally by: ****c Ignoring the trolling of the OP
saying that is trolling more than me you*****.
Dude, your OP was lame, a 3-4 week old player braging he killed every pirate he met is going to get some heat. learn to take it. you prolly got attacked by month old noobs with crappy setups. if at all
Head out to Amamake/Egghelende, Tell us how it goes
dude i wasnt boasting, was just mentioning it while i asked two questions, which most decent people kindly answered instead of posting turd like yours. your post too was lame so just answer and dont post seeing as though you have nothing decent to say.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.01 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ceiri
Originally by: Lorth No it prob has more to do with the fact that he/she doesn't want to be bothered thinking about every single word, and proper sentance structure of every single thing he writes onto these forums. I don't either, though I have no problems writing at all, but for the forums of an online game, who's going to take that effort?
Well, my point is that for a moderately literate person, it doesn't take any effort.
Care to enlighten me as to which part of my post made you think I was unable to speak the English languadge ?
Unless you mean ffs < Well I cant explain that one quite easily... Profanity filter !
Alliaanna
Official Spokestard of=-= Does Not Compute =-=
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Care to enlighten me as to which part of my post made you think I was unable to speak the English languadge ?
Gah. If only I had room left in my sig to quote that.
Ohnoes, I said "gah", and I am a 34yr old.
Bugger, now I said "Ohnoes".
Grrr.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.01 09:09:00 -
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OFFS
Ok ok my spelling is awfull lol, No guesses for why I didn't take English lan/lit for A-levels
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Mazare Mircea
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Posted - 2006.08.01 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 01/08/2006 10:22:00 Back to the subject at hand, I am a 2 month old char, I don't fly anything I can't lose 10 times and don't fit anything that I can't lose 20 times. Yet if i was ransomed and the ransome was not outrageously high - I fly a 100% insured Stabber with about 1 mil in equipment, I would gladly pay. It's a simple question of economics. Do i want to pay 2 mil and not go through the hassle of building another ship, guns, ammo and doing some 25 jumps in a shuttle or noob ship, or do i want to take the loss ?
And as for the whole part about "one should not pay rasomes", screw it; when you enter a low-sec system you are asked if you want to proceed or not. The fact that you are in low-sec means that you have understood the consequences of you're actions.
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Corwain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.01 18:21:00 -
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This is an excellent place to post an example of how to pirate, and how to geif (although I accept that greifing in this game is roleplay.
I'm trying to move an indie from one side of empire to the other with a few .3 and .4s in between. I run into an indie at the gate and because I'm not using instas (so few low sec jumps) I had to run to the station. I easily warp away and am cornered at the station. The pirate convos me and wants like 10mil for safe passage. I politely inform the pirate that I have no implants and no cargo, and my ship only costs 500k and my clone 250k. The pirate amends their charge to 1mil and I give them 2mil just to make it worth their while (And I want to make sure that I really get safe passage.)
That pirate made some ISK.
Another time I'm trying to move about 10m worth of stuff out to 0.0. I leave my implanted clone in empire and jump to it when I know I'm not gonna be on again for 24 hours. I have instas out to a friendly corps POS, I have noone to scout so I run through in a shuttle, all clear. I run back, pick up my hauler with nanos and stabs in the lows. I head out and run into a bubblecamp. I could have probly got away from any other camp since I'm flying a Mark V with 2 stabs in case a frig tackler manages to lock me before I warp out and the rest nanos for faster warping, but bubblecamps are hard. I can only run them in a frig with nanos and a MWD. Anyhow I try as hard as I can to make it out of the bubble before my hauler pops, but I do not and they snag my pod. I do my damndest to escape and cannot. I go pop and only then notice that the ganksquad was trying to ransom my pod in local. Not my 10mil ISK cargo, but my 1mil ISK clone for 350mil ISK!!! WTF? lmao Anyhow lesson one, convo with your ransom demands, because escaping a bubblecamp takes lots of attention and you're not gonna be looking at local counting your enemies at that point. 2. Ransom the ship, especially if its a hauler, trapped in a bubble, and webbed. I'd have gladly paid up to 20m for the ship, I'd rather be podded though since that sends me back to where I can buy everything again and wait for the camp to break up.
Those pirates had some fun blowing me up, but made no ISK.
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Madcat Adams
Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.08.02 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Madcat Adams on 02/08/2006 06:31:52
Originally by: Brisi Yep, people pay on a regular basis. However, there are also a lot who just calls your mother a ***** or something like that, and then dies horribly.
And yes, I'm afraid that all pirates in EVE are played by 12-year-olds, most of whoom also play Counterstrike and XBOX live, and they freak out and beat up pets and smaller children should they happen to die.
This is a how most pirates in EVE are. Just switch out the CS for EVE.
Should be a disclaimer on that link, may have a noise compalint filed against me in the morning with the landlord.
And as to the thread, pirates don't mind, griefers or reavers as I call them (go watch Serenity, it's good for you) annoy the **** outa me. Of all the ships I've lost so far, only one was to a pirate who ransomed me. Paid, even told him I appreciated a real pirate as that was kind of fun battling and then paying the ransome after the fight was lost.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 02/08/2006 14:38:49 Here's my pragmatic view.
I would pay only reasonable ransoms.
Consider this, I have no implants (or, I have +1 stuff that is worth maybe 1.5 million) and my clone is another 500k.
BS example ... yeah, I know this is a bad example but this is what I have the math on top of my head for.
My BS are insured platinum, costing me 33 milion, but also meaning I loose 17 million plus modules if I loose a BS (don't question my math, this is accounting for the the difference between average purchase price and full insurance payout). Modules, for me poor tech1 user, mean I loose maybe 1-5 million max.
So thats something between 19 and 24 million maybe lost on getting ganked in a BS. Would I pay a 19 milion ransom? Hell no!
Insurance is for 12 weeks. If I get pirated 10 times in 12 weeks, I have to pay insurance 10 times! In other words, the act of being pirated increases the likelyhood of being pirated again in the same 12 weeks.
Bottom line: I would probably pay a five million ransom on a BS (unless the pirate ****ed me off, in which case he'd get to collect tech1 loot). I'd maybe a ten million random. Definetly not a 20 million ransom. This is based on the assumption that I could be pirated about 2-4 times during an insurance period.
Since people would never ask five million but probably 20 upwards or even 100 cause they think I have omgwtfbbq tech II loot and +4 implant sets, the bottom line is, no, I would probably not pay ransoms. --
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn [...]the act of being pirated increases the likelyhood of being pirated again in the same 12 weeks.
!?!
Fuzzy logic.
Quote:
Bottom line: I would probably pay a five million ransom on a BS (unless the pirate ****ed me off, in which case he'd get to collect tech1 loot). I'd maybe a ten million random. Definetly not a 20 million ransom. This is based on the assumption that I could be pirated about 2-4 times during an insurance period.
If you get your ship destroyed several times during a long period, you will have to pay a new insurance every time as well. So your point is moot.
Let's compare:
You get attacked, and ransomed by a pirate three times during 12 weeks, case
a) You refuse to pay the 30 million ISK he asks of you.
Consequence:
1. You lose your ship + modules three times. (Pirate can sell the ones that aren't destroyed).
2. You have to pay insurance again, three times.
3. You have to travel around, and buy a new ship + mods three times.
b) You pay the ransom.
1. You pay 30 mil, three times.
If you tell me alternative a is smarter, then you win teh prize (vague hint).
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Karlemgne
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:42:00 -
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Too your first question. Yes, people DO pay ransoms. To your second question, nobody in my corp is under 20. The youngest person I fly with is 17, and most are around my age (28). And yes, I'm a pirate.
-K
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Father Weebles
Lost Dawn Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brisi Yep, people pay on a regular basis. However, there are also a lot who just calls your mother a ***** or something like that, and then dies horribly.
And yes, I'm afraid that all pirates in EVE are played by 12-year-olds, most of whoom also play Counterstrike and XBOX live, and they freak out and beat up pets and smaller children should they happen to die.
This is a how most pirates in EVE are. Just switch out the CS for EVE.
LMFAO! thats goin in my sig
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Brisi Yep, people pay on a regular basis. However, there are also a lot who just calls your mother a ***** or something like that, and then dies horribly.
And yes, I'm afraid that all pirates in EVE are played by 12-year-olds, most of whoom also play Counterstrike and XBOX live, and they freak out and beat up pets and smaller children should they happen to die.
This is a how most pirates in EVE are. Just switch out the CS for EVE.
Actually, seeing how many carebears react when they get their ships blown up, I'm rather convinced that they are the general populace that we see in this vid.
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Hagen Stein
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin [...]If you tell me alternative a is smarter, then you win teh prize (vague hint).
It's not about being smarter or about economics. It's about honor. A good guy won't pay a bad guy. It's as simple as that.
Given on top the fact that there is *no* guarantee whatsorever that you don't lose your ship or get poped *after* paying a ransom, that makes it an easy decision: Never, ever pay a single ISK ransom.
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Jex Jast
Perfect Order
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hagen Stein
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin [...]If you tell me alternative a is smarter, then you win teh prize (vague hint).
It's not about being smarter or about economics. It's about honor. A good guy won't pay a bad guy. It's as simple as that.
Given on top the fact that there is *no* guarantee whatsorever that you don't lose your ship or get poped *after* paying a ransom, that makes it an easy decision: Never, ever pay a single ISK ransom.
The thing is, you have the opinion that you don't want to pay the bad guy. That's fine, if that's the honor you'd like to uphold it's perfectly understandable, but you will lose more isk than if you pay (if the ransom is too high don't pay anyway).
However, you seem to have the distrust of pirates that most of us don't honor ransoms, and as many times as it's been said I'll say it again, it's not good business to kill after a ransom because people will stop paying you. Word gets out very fast on these boards (every couple days you'll see a whine about some pirate) so if you don't honor it, people won't pay it. Most pirates do, so the decision is not so simply "Don't pay it's a waste and you'll get killed anyway," it's more of "There's a good chance that you'll leave with your life if you pay: is it economically worth it to pay?"
And that's where your honor comes in. You don't wanna pay the bad guy, I respect that. Won't make any less of them though. ___________________________________________
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Darius Falc
Gallente Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:20:00 -
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There's always something pleasant about the -
"I'm not paying you a penny pirate scum!"
response. You can feel suitable smug about the squishy popping sound when you vapourise their pod :).
DF. ***********************************************
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Pyrostasis
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.02 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Niivvy
Quote: And no not only kids are pirates, I'm 23 ffs, getting old
jesus u make me feel old. in turning 29!!! soon be having a mid life crisis
Ill soon need to go buy a pimped out rattlesnake in a vain attempt to hold on to my youth
26 in a week QQ now that Im over 25 Im starting to feel like Im over the hill
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Rex Deus
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Posted - 2006.08.02 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rayvonuk well im a new player 3-4 weeks in and every pirate i have met has died to me after issuing his "25 mil or die" or words to that effect. Do people actually pay ransoms and is it only children that take the part of pirates ?
I tried to ransom you tonight, but you got podded because you turned down my convo request. In fact I think you blocked me. I like belt piracy and getting ransoms from people. In answer to the latter part of your post I am 26, although some would argue my mental age differs :P
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Falc There's always something pleasant about the -
"I'm not paying you a penny pirate scum!"
response. You can feel suitable smug about the squishy popping sound when you vapourise their pod :).
DF.
Oh, it's nothing compared to podding a carebear who is too stubborn to realize that ransoming is a privilege.
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Majin82
Caldari Sammael's Legion
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Posted - 2006.08.02 22:55:00 -
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I have lost 2 Caracals to Pirates. The first time he was in a Domi and I was in a Caracal, I would have gladly paid for safe passage but I was noob and didn't realise what I was in for. I was never given the option to pay. So I went out guns blazing.
The second time I was attacked without any reason or offer to pay a ransom. This made me very bitter as I had just lost 1 Caracal 4 days before. What the hell is wrong with some Pirates that they would sooner blow you up than even ask if you would pay a ransom.
I would rather pay the ransom than have to rebuild another ship. I have no problem paying 5 mil for safe passage, but I want that safe passage from all other rats in the system also. If I pay a ransom I want to be able to get out of the system without being podded by someone else.
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Portios Smith
Gallente Sanguine Legion Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.08.02 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pyrostasis
Originally by: Niivvy
Quote: And no not only kids are pirates, I'm 23 ffs, getting old
jesus u make me feel old. in turning 29!!! soon be having a mid life crisis
Ill soon need to go buy a pimped out rattlesnake in a vain attempt to hold on to my youth
26 in a week QQ now that Im over 25 Im starting to feel like Im over the hill
No you are not, you'll be fine as long as your age starts with a number 2, NOW is the time to get all the "sugar" you can.
Once you get over that hill thou, take a deep breath and check the seat belt. Is pretty steep going down the other side of that damn hill
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Majin82 I have lost 2 Caracals to Pirates. The first time he was in a Domi and I was in a Caracal, I would have gladly paid for safe passage but I was noob and didn't realise what I was in for. I was never given the option to pay. So I went out guns blazing.
The second time I was attacked without any reason or offer to pay a ransom. This made me very bitter as I had just lost 1 Caracal 4 days before. What the hell is wrong with some Pirates that they would sooner blow you up than even ask if you would pay a ransom.
I would rather pay the ransom than have to rebuild another ship. I have no problem paying 5 mil for safe passage, but I want that safe passage from all other rats in the system also. If I pay a ransom I want to be able to get out of the system without being podded by someone else.
You wouldn't be worth the time to ransom. Sorry.
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.02 23:48:00 -
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Of course people pay ransoms.
When you have their freighter, faction fitted BS or Carrier locked down people pay up pretty dammed sharp.
Depends how much people have to loose by dying compared to watching their hard work go up in a little explosion.
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PMolkenthin
Psykotic Dreams
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm Of course people pay ransoms.
When you have their freighter, faction fitted BS or Carrier locked down people pay up pretty dammed sharp.
Depends how much people have to loose by dying compared to watching their hard work go up in a little explosion.
Iv tried to ransom many times, but with no success. Until tonight. We found a freighter with a crap insta, killed his protection, and proceeded to ransom. I don't think i was too greedy with my demand, and he paid quickly. Sweet first successful ransom IMO.
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Deus
Originally by: Rayvonuk well im a new player 3-4 weeks in and every pirate i have met has died to me after issuing his "25 mil or die" or words to that effect. Do people actually pay ransoms and is it only children that take the part of pirates ?
I tried to ransom you tonight, but you got podded because you turned down my convo request. In fact I think you blocked me. I like belt piracy and getting ransoms from people. In answer to the latter part of your post I am 26, although some would argue my mental age differs :P
atm if someone starts to shoot me when im killing rats then msg me for an obvious ransom, i cant even be bothered to talk. maybe later when im actually gonna loose something i might start, but atm i got quite a few free ships, so im not loosing anything and can afford to just ignore you.
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 02/08/2006 14:38:49 Here's my pragmatic view.
I would pay only reasonable ransoms.
Consider this, I have no implants (or, I have +1 stuff that is worth maybe 1.5 million) and my clone is another 500k.
BS example ... yeah, I know this is a bad example but this is what I have the math on top of my head for.
My BS are insured platinum, costing me 33 milion, but also meaning I loose 17 million plus modules if I loose a BS (don't question my math, this is accounting for the the difference between average purchase price and full insurance payout). Modules, for me poor tech1 user, mean I loose maybe 1-5 million max.
So thats something between 19 and 24 million maybe lost on getting ganked in a BS. Would I pay a 19 milion ransom? Hell no!
Insurance is for 12 weeks. If I get pirated 10 times in 12 weeks, I have to pay insurance 10 times! In other words, the act of being pirated increases the likelyhood of being pirated again in the same 12 weeks.
Bottom line: I would probably pay a five million ransom on a BS (unless the pirate ****ed me off, in which case he'd get to collect tech1 loot). I'd maybe a ten million random. Definetly not a 20 million ransom. This is based on the assumption that I could be pirated about 2-4 times during an insurance period.
Since people would never ask five million but probably 20 upwards or even 100 cause they think I have omgwtfbbq tech II loot and +4 implant sets, the bottom line is, no, I would probably not pay ransoms.
Buy a battleship at 100mil + insure platinum 30mil + fit with T1 mods 5 mil = 135mil.
Lose that battleship and get 100mil back. 135mil - 100mil = 35 mil. Therefore it is safe to ransom any battleship for 20-30 mil.
Any T1 shield boosters or armour repairers are useless so most people fit named or T2 which brings up the cost a few million.
A lot of people also fit other T2 and named gear. To be honest, you are better off flying a cruiser or BC than all T1 fitted battleship. Its much more cost effective in low sec.
Conclusion. Providing I managed to catch a battleship I will ransom it for 30-40 million without hesitation. If they don't pay I get to pop their egg which is always a pleasure.
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Hel O'Ween
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Posted - 2006.08.03 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 03/08/2006 13:52:09 <Withdrawn>
[Edit]Damn it. I managed to ruin my complete posting.
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Rex Deus
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rayvonuk Edited by: Rayvonuk on 03/08/2006 03:05:22
Originally by: Rex Deus
Originally by: Rayvonuk well im a new player 3-4 weeks in and every pirate i have met has died to me after issuing his "25 mil or die" or words to that effect. Do people actually pay ransoms and is it only children that take the part of pirates ?
I tried to ransom you tonight, but you got podded because you turned down my convo request. In fact I think you blocked me. I like belt piracy and getting ransoms from people. In answer to the latter part of your post I am 26, although some would argue my mental age differs :P
atm if someone starts to shoot me when im killing rats then msg me for an obvious ransom, i cant even be bothered to talk, i didnt block you, just didnt want to speak to you. maybe later when im actually gonna loose something i might start acknowledging people wanting to ransom me. I got plenty of ships and wasnt carrying anything decent, so im not loosing anything and can afford to just ignore people like you.
I am totally confused as to what information you wanted by asking the questions you did in the OP. Did I answer them? Did others help you?
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: PMolkenthin
Originally by: Rawthorm Of course people pay ransoms.
When you have their freighter, faction fitted BS or Carrier locked down people pay up pretty dammed sharp.
Depends how much people have to loose by dying compared to watching their hard work go up in a little explosion.
Iv tried to ransom many times, but with no success. Until tonight. We found a freighter with a crap insta, killed his protection, and proceeded to ransom. I don't think i was too greedy with my demand, and he paid quickly. Sweet first successful ransom IMO.
Congratulations. That first major score is always the sweetest
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Varban II
Gallente Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:26:00 -
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I pay ransomes when am in my Indy. I prefer to part with a few millions than waste another hour moving stuff. If I am in a fighting ship, I will die trying unless I have a HAC . But yeah I will generaly not even wait to be ransomed, I will just ask how much to me pass. Regards, Kind V2
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ReverendM
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:57:00 -
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*Shuffles out the janitors* Cleaned the thread. Let's keep it on topic, and off speleing. Sum peepl kante spele varey well. -ReverendM ([email protected])
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rayvonuk on 03/08/2006 16:22:38 Edited by: Rayvonuk on 03/08/2006 16:20:37
Originally by: Rex Deus
Originally by: Rayvonuk Edited by: Rayvonuk on 03/08/2006 03:05:22
Originally by: Rex Deus
Originally by: Rayvonuk well im a new player 3-4 weeks in and every pirate i have met has died to me after issuing his "25 mil or die" or words to that effect. Do people actually pay ransoms and is it only children that take the part of pirates ?
I tried to ransom you tonight, but you got podded because you turned down my convo request. In fact I think you blocked me. I like belt piracy and getting ransoms from people. In answer to the latter part of your post I am 26, although some would argue my mental age differs :P
atm if someone starts to shoot me when im killing rats then msg me for an obvious ransom, i cant even be bothered to talk, i didnt block you, just didnt want to speak to you. maybe later when im actually gonna loose something i might start acknowledging people wanting to ransom me. I got plenty of ships and wasnt carrying anything decent, so im not loosing anything and can afford to just ignore people like you.
I am totally confused as to what information you wanted by asking the questions you did in the OP. Did I answer them? Did others help you?
yeah thanks, was just wondering about the state of these ransoms and the people that ask me for then,thats all. It appears that the pirates i met before making the post were crappy rude ones.
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