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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Well, if you are saying that BoB disagree with petulance, distasteful and unfunny jokes, insults to things unrelated to the game, uncontrolled trolling and the lack of basic decency, then I'd have to concur.
You are completely free to say and do whatever you want. Just as people are completely free to say and do whatever they want in reaction to it. This is what BoB is doing: reacting. Basically it's "insult us, and we step on your head".
Thus far GoonSwarm has been a complete and utter disappointment. If Remedial wants to prove to EVE that the alliance is not filled with newbies that are incapable of achieving anything, then at the very least put up some actual resistance.
So you are agreeing with my statement that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force? Also, just because you may not think we are resisting, does not mean we are not resisting. Resistance comes in many forms; it does not have to be limited to just fleet combat.
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Jacob Majestic
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: BOldMan Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.
Translation:
"I am an old-timer. By virtue of being an old-timer, I naturally have more of a claim to 0.0 space than all those pesky new alliances."
I've read the above drivel dozens of times from random BoBbers and frankly I'm sick of it. I bet you walked to school up-hill (both ways) in the snow without any shoes on, too. One day you will come to the realization that nobody cares about your trials and tribulations except for the few people that live in the big-kid treehouse over in Delve. If you think otherwise then this game has left you behind.
I hope you enjoy camping Syndicate. I hope you enjoy camping NPC stations and popping Velators. You probably also enjoy stomping sand castles that 8 year old kids make on the beach. Just remember that someday those kids are going to grow up and egg your house, TP your lawn, and steal your car and crash it and set it on fire.
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Toffles
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?
You guys read our forums all day so you see how badly we treat members who make smoske jokes. The guy who convoed a bob member (theholyfather or something) was kicked from the corp immediately and was later revealed to be a spy or defector who wanted to make us look bad. The guy who made the thread in the sell forum got severely flamed for pages on our forums and was likely kicked as well. I think you fail to realize that some GS members are extremely upset at this incident and some GS members also lack any common sense at all. The people that possess both traits will make smoske jokes to "get back" at bob. Fortunately they are getting kicked and punished, but we really don't consider that any of your business. You really don't see the behind the scenes stuff, like people getting convos from directors for talking in local, fines being given, and people being banned because for the most part we deal with those things privately.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: BOldMan Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0. Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.
Translation:
"I am an old-timer. By virtue of being an old-timer, I naturally have more of a claim to 0.0 space than all those pesky new alliances."
I've read the above drivel dozens of times from random BoBbers and frankly I'm sick of it. I bet you walked to school up-hill (both ways) in the snow without any shoes on, too. One day you will come to the realization that nobody cares about your trials and tribulations except for the few people that live in the big-kid treehouse over in Delve. If you think otherwise then this game has left you behind.
I hope you enjoy camping Syndicate. I hope you enjoy camping NPC stations and popping Velators. You probably also enjoy stomping sand castles that 8 year old kids make on the beach. Just remember that someday those kids are going to grow up and egg your house, TP your lawn, and steal your car and crash it and set it on fire.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:51:00 -
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Toffles, that's all nice and good, but doesn't amke sense when considering that the signature existed for around 4 months, and your very leader, Remedial's statements exhibit the same caliber of degeneracy.
I do apreciate that there are some members trying to do something about smacktards, I had thought from the posts of others that there were none since freedom of expression and absence of responsibility was the ideal.
Grayton, interesting ideas about forms of resistance. How exactly do these other forms of resistance play out? Are your members in S-U resisting by making us spend ammo? Are your members that refuse to log in or fight resisting by hoping that we will get bored and leave? Where is the GoonSwarm aliance that did not care how many ships they lost for as long as they had someone to fight?
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Rutta
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Toffles, that's all nice and good, but doesn't amke sense when considering that the signature existed for around 4 months, and your very leader, Remedial's statements exhibit the same caliber of degeneracy.
The fact that you still don't understand the signature, or what it meant, is funny at this point.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Grayton, interesting ideas about forms of resistance. How exactly do these other forms of resistance play out? Are your members in S-U resisting by making us spend ammo? Are your members that refuse to log in or fight resisting by hoping that we will get bored and leave? Where is the GoonSwarm aliance that did not care how many ships they lost for as long as they had someone to fight?
You did not answer my question about if you are agreeing with my statement or not. And I am not going to be baited by you implying that we are not resisting at all. Think what you want, just know that we are resisting in our own way and will continue to as things solidify after returning from Cloud Ring. Patience is a virtue, you know; just because BoB wants us to launch massive blobs against them immediately, doesn't mean we have to. Also, I don't really get attached to point of sales machines. Thanks for wondering if we do, though.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Have you ever told other Goons that there are certain types of offensive behavior that are not acceptable, and MEANT it? Meant it to the point of "enforcing it", even if doing so would be painful?
You guys read our forums all day so you see how badly we treat members who make smoske jokes. The guy who convoed a bob member (theholyfather or something) was kicked from the corp immediately and was later revealed to be a spy or defector who wanted to make us look bad. The guy who made the thread in the sell forum got severely flamed for pages on our forums and was likely kicked as well. I think you fail to realize that some GS members are extremely upset at this incident and some GS members also lack any common sense at all. The people that possess both traits will make smoske jokes to "get back" at bob. Fortunately they are getting kicked and punished, but we really don't consider that any of your business. You really don't see the behind the scenes stuff, like people getting convos from directors for talking in local, fines being given, and people being banned because for the most part we deal with those things privately.
If things are as you say, its a good start.
That I'll grant.
But don't do it for us, do it for yourselves. It really would have no meaning if you did it for us.
On our end we've seen to many repeats of the original incident. If those cease, attitude very well might start to change.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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VCBee 698
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: VCBee 698 on 02/08/2006 17:03:38 Gunes will lose and giev missel.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:04:00 -
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The signature is just the beginning. Pointing it out opened the floodgates and inundated us with the gems that Toffles mentioned. Basically, we think that most of GoonSwarm are like those people that posted WTB threads, or the ones that convo'd our people to make distasteful jokes. The very spam generated by GoonSwarm players in these forums are already noticed by all. Just ask the moderators about how many pointless GoonSwarm threads they had to lock or even delete. These are all fairly recent. Furthermore, a lot of your membership defende those people's right to do those things, and even said that it was our fault for "provoking" GoonSwarm. The very insinuation that we use the memory of a member to wage war afainst GoonSwarm is ridiculous. We do no need such things to motivate our membership into making war. All we need is to decide to do so. How preposterous. Because of them, we do not trust GoonSwarm, and trust your leaders even less because we fuly expect them to be capable to lying to our face and then maintaining the oposite within the secrecy of your membership. Hidden insults being part and parcel of that.
The attempts at making GoonSwarm being oppressed or bullied by BoB in this is laughable. Just as some of you claimed that your members posted filth in reaction to our provokes, then we undertake this decision and course of action in reaction to your positions. The implication that the freedom of expression that we should allow you is null and void when considered in the light of our freedom to react is the only hypocrisy here.
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Noghri ViR
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:09:00 -
[311]
As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
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Jacob Majestic
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: BOldMan Was a time when a BS was a rare and biggest ship, when T2 ships/mods was luxury as titan today, when NPC spawn of 1 (one) BS was a treasure, when was no complexes, no L4 missions, no cosmos agents, no haulers, no commanders, no officers, no factions ships/mods, no easy isks. When cloaking ships was best and dangerous tech present in game. When die it mean something. In that time I was a nub struggleing to leave in 0.0.Why you want to avoid this part of eve-lessons? 0.0 is a free space. Here you can die. GL, people.
I'd train up some levels of "Reading comprehension" if I was you. I've bolded the bit that is important, despite english not being boldmans primary language I am finding it pretty funny you failed to understand what he was saying.
I'd train up some levels of "Reading comprehension" if I was you. I've bolded the bit that is important, despite english obviously not being your primary language I am finding it pretty funny you failed to understand what he was saying.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Noghri ViR As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
This isn't a prank. It actually happened.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
anubis 2
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion :words:
So why are you whining on the forums, as opposed to blowing up Internet spaceships?
No matter what anyone in GS did or didn't do, it won't erase the fact that you've defaced someone's memory in the most public way possible.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:14:00 -
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He was saying that a lot of us, in and out of BoB were already fighting for 0.0 space when the rewards were not as lucrative. Therefore implying that GoonSwarm choosing to take refuge in empire, or alt characters, is a sign that they fear loss too much. You see elitism because you have a bone to pick.
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Desiderata Fabian
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:15:00 -
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Man so much of this would have been avoided if Sir Molle had said "We are bored and want to fight the goons" or "We have decided to give these young up and comers a taste of real steel" or "We think Goonswarm represent a potential future threat and have decided to nip this alliance in the bud" or any one of a thousand other things...
Why has this all descended into madness?
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anubis 2
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion He was saying that a lot of us, in and out of BoB were already fighting for 0.0 space when the rewards were not as lucrative. Therefore implying that GoonSwarm choosing to take refuge in empire, or alt characters, is a sign that they fear loss too much. You see elitism because you have a bone to pick.
Sorry, but regarding anyone as "outsiders" is a form of elitism.
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Twyce Nyetlee
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Noghri ViR As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
Oh man, if you're not careful you're going to upset them so much they'll leave S-U and go where we actually are.
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Noghri ViR As someone that's given little attention to the reason why we're having this conflict I have to wonder is this guy really dead or is this some elaborate internet prank that BoB has fallen for? As far as I have seen the only proof we have of this is that some guy who claimed to be his dad came out and said that he died in a car wreck. Come on, how many things do you believe just cause you read them on the internet?
I'm calling BoB out here. Please prove to us that this dude was first off and actual real person and that he's actually dead. This should be easy by posting a death certificate or something similar. If you donĘt feel comfortable with making this info public, I would accept using neutral yet trusted 3rd party to verify these claims.
I think this ends this thread.
Take it ingame people, love each other, hate each other, shoot each other, ignore each other whatever.
But cease bringing up the RL stuff.
Everyone. ___
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Grayton: various forms of resistance mean nothing if we do not see their effects. While there is no actual armed resistance being offered, and while we continue to shoot GoonSwarm pilots down like flies in S-U, we will continue to be disapointed at the laughable lack of resitance offered by an alliace that is so ambitious.
You have still not answered about whether or not you agree with my question that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force? I find it odd that you expect for resistance to be immediate and on a huge scale, especially since we are returning from two months of constant war. Once again, patience is a virtue.
I am not going to comment on the first and second paragraphs of your post as, no offense, but it is just things that have been rehashed over and over.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Desiderata Fabian Man so much of this would have been avoided if Sir Molle had said "We are bored and want to fight the goons" or "We have decided to give these young up and comers a taste of real steel" or "We think Goonswarm represent a potential future threat and have decided to nip this alliance in the bud" or any one of a thousand other things...
Why has this all descended into madness?
Because saying that would portray BoB as a bully. They can't hurt their e-pride in the face of the public so they need a reason to deface us (but consequently themselves as well).
However, had they just come out and said that, I would've welcomed it.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:20:00 -
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This thread has gone off topic.
I suggest you all find other ways of expressing your anger and disappointment with the other, and that those ways are ingame.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Grayton
So you are agreeing with my statement that BoB is deciding what is offensive and what isn't offensive in this game, and imposing their decisions on us through means of force? Also, just because you may not think we are resisting, does not mean we are not resisting. Resistance comes in many forms; it does not have to be limited to just fleet combat.
BoB isn't deciding what is offensive in Eve, just what they find offensive. Just because you guys like to think people have the right to say whatever they want, does not mean that they can do so without consequence. If they are unable to moderate their behaviour in the face of a wider community, then they have to be willing to accept that offending the sensibilities of that community, or groups within it, may have unforseen consequences.
If you don't like that, or think that it unfair that people have reacted in the way that they have, e-cry me a river.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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