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Garia666
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:44:00 -
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hehe
/me gets the popcorn and read further...
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Nevvy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 14:54:00 -
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As a quick aside first because the forums don't want me to stay logged in and that prevent me from finding the quotes. Someone accused goons of hypocrisy and blaming lag for losing or some such. In this same thread D2 people have chest beat about how they lost dreads to lag and how they kicked us out of cloudring. Differences between module lag and the 8 hour server meltdown aside, either d2 lost dreads to lag and we left xzh because of server meltdown stopping our counterstroke (plus a little bit of BoB), or we killed D2's dreads legitimately and they legitimately POS spammed with their superior economy. The difference between D2 and goon chest beating over either version of this is that D2 is one of the most powerful alliances in the game and we are all nubs, to exaggerate slightly. Nonetheless chestbeating is silly for either side.
As for the BoBvsGoons and no respect and etc. Most of us really don't care. We are having fun in our spaceship game. We are fighting left and right and the best mercenary corp in the game is jumping in on our side to help. The trolls troll because they enjoy it, and you feeding them doesn't really bother most of us. I hope to BLAM BLAM and BOOM BOOM some of you soon, sadly Minmatar ships do not PEW PEW very well.
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
If you think GoonFleet should disband because you find our humour distateful and you are actioning that belief then you are trying to dictate our existence or behaviour based on your whims. Call it what you want, 'responsible'? I never even knew about this dead friend of bob before this fiasco started.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot ...
If you think GoonFleet should disband because you find our humour distateful and you are actioning that belief then you are trying to dictate our existence or behaviour based on your whims. Call it what you want, 'responsible'? I never even knew about this dead friend of bob before this fiasco started.
Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot ...
So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
They are insulted by your actions, and attacking you because of your offensive behavior. How could you possibly not understand that? ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Trac3rt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I've accused Goons of ONE core thing:
"Choosing"
to remain with, and support, offensive idiots.
I'd rather you camp S-U for the next 5 years than have the people I e-hang with in this game dictated to me. Get over yourself.
I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
Attempting to forcibly removed us from the game for choosing who we decide to associate with isn't the same thing at all from attempting to dictate who we can be e-friends with in a game?
I really want to know what you were smoking when you made that post!
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:14:00 -
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I could really say something about BoB's actions here that remind me of something in history but I'm pretty sure I would get banned for using the comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Furnok Dorn
Jita Highway Patrol
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:15:00 -
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Listen, the only way to settle this is through a kickboxing tournament
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Trac3rt Attempting to forcibly removed us from the game for choosing who we decide to associate with isn't the same thing at all from attempting to dictate who we can be e-friends with in a game?
Originally by: Remedial I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ******* WarCraft III or StarCraft theyÆre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canÆt win on their terms they donÆt want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donÆt play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyÆre not good enough by ******* camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
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The amount of verbal combat in this thread seems just about right for the beginning of the operation.
Our goal is not to make anyone quit from EVE. Our goal is just to blow up GoonSwarm ships anywhere we see them.
We will keep doing this until your more sensible members accept responsibility for what your immature members have been and are continuing on doing.
An event happening 4 months ago is not exactly old if the insult had been continually existing every day for those 4 months until after July 27 and no one in the goon alliance voiced any objection to it. Furthermore, upon exposure of it, goons posted WTB corpse threads. It is fortunate for you that these have been since deleted by the forum mods. There are several more goon threads that had been deleted by the forum mods because of their content. GoonSwarm members are polluting EVE.
At any rate, this is barely a week since the war started. We're perfectly alright with continuing this for another year, or two. We've done it before. Hope GoonSwarm pilots like the inside of stations.
Wherever you run to, we will find you. All those plans Remedial had for the greatness of your alliance? They will be impossible now. Learn to live with it. This is a game after all.
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Anille Kole They are insulted by your actions, and attacking you because of your offensive behavior. How could you possibly not understand that?
Where did you find any indication that we didn't understand this?
The fact that you're turning "We're attacking you because you've got members that are extremely offensive" into "We're GMs of EVE and we are dictating who you can have as friends." ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grayton So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
Welcome to Eve where if you have the will and the wherewithal then yes you can enforce whatever you like.
EULA and Concord permitting of course.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Furnok Dorn Listen, the only way to settle this is through a kickboxing tournament
i'll send my supermodel girlfriend/dancer to fight for me. her ripped abs will deflect your weak and pathetic attacks.
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Grayton on 02/08/2006 15:23:39
Originally by: Avon Thing is though, in Eve it doesn't matter who is right, all that matters is who is left.
i see what you did there
Originally by: Blacklight Welcome to Eve where if you have the will and the wherewithal then yes you can enforce whatever you like.
EULA and Concord permitting of course.
So you are agreeing that your alliance is determining who is right and who is wrong through your own statements and means of enforcement?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot I'm not dictating.
You're being held responsible for your decision.
Not the same thing at all (seriously, no joke).
So basically, you're saying you get to determine who is right and who is wrong in this game, and then can enforce your decisions by attempting to erradicate them?
You determine what is right and wrong yourself, and you are responsible for your decision.
In all the time I've been in BoB, through the conflicts with G, IRON, Stain, FA, VC, etc, etc, I've not bothered to post much on this forum. In all those cases, it was just wars, even if some of the methods were debated (and are debated...) fairly hotly now and then. Then there is the Goons. You want me to shut up? Don't sugar coat or minimize your decision. Stand by it, as it is, warts and all. Believe it or not, I concede that standing by corp mates is a virtue. Standing by them unconditionally, however, has some problems.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Anille Kole The fact that you're turning "We're attacking you because you've got members that are extremely offensive" into "We're GMs of EVE and we are dictating who you can have as friends."
Those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but rather in this case are logical consequences of each other.
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Our goal is not to make anyone quit from EVE. Our goal is just to blow up GoonSwarm ships anywhere we see them.
Are you sure about that?
Originally by: SirMolle Edited by: SirMolle on 02/08/2006 12:35:23
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.
Your leaders seem to have other goals in mind.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot You determine what is right and wrong yourself, and you are responsible for your decision.
The very act of saying you are holding us responsible for our decisions means you are saying what is right and what is wrong for us to do.
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Dinique
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: deadtear
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: deadtear Edited by: deadtear on 02/08/2006 08:49:23
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Stuff
You're seriously the worst troll ever. You've tried to screw up several Swarm threads, and now you're actively trolling one not even made by us.
Edit: Blacklight, mind explaining whatever it is your keen sense of irony picked up?
Quite abit of irony in the post, the one bit I will comment on is the fact you lot were whining about BOB taking the game too seriously and that BOB were trying to get GS to leave the game and that was harrasment etc etc.
But your leader has said exactly the same thing, so its alright for you to do it but not other people?
What dear leader says and what we all think are different things, but I agree there is...some irony in the statement. Fortunately I can see the difference between EvE and reality and play for fun. Unfortunately, the most fun I can have right now is trying to drive BoB out. Really not even BoB as a whole. The majority of them didnt start this, just like the majority of GS didnt start the "incident".
If you follow Remedial, that reflects on you.
Simple as that. Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight
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Kelly O'Connor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kelly O''Connor on 02/08/2006 15:31:07 me thinks goons r falling apart :( and we didnt eve get 1 single fleet fight ... /me cries
on the other note ur spam in local seems to diminish over time and your enjoyment of beign traped in a station must be astonishing ....
short example:
guy undocks in shuttle then redocks .... following with massive lol in local how bob sux coz they cant kill a shuttle ... good game lol u r teh my hero can i have ur teh X ?
thats end of story for me... ill not reply to any of flames etc. EOT
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:29:00 -
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Eradicating Goons from Eve has nothing to do with making people quit eve.
The same way eradicating PA, FA, SA, VC, IMP, CODA etc etc etc etc had anything to do with making their members quit the game.
Your history of eve is lacking and therefore your understanding of intention is lacking.
You'll learn though. dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Eradicating Goons from Eve has nothing to do with making people quit eve.
The same way eradicating PA, FA, SA, VC, IMP, CODA etc etc etc etc had anything to do with making their members quit the game.
Your history of eve is lacking and therefore your understanding of intention is lacking.
You'll learn though. dbp
Well said old bean.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:32:00 -
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We're not saying what is right or wrong. We're just saying that the things you have done so far have resulted in us deciding what we are doing now.
Regarding being responsible for your decisions, this is implied for any intelligent life form.
Why all the protests though? As I have said, it has barely been a week. Is GoonSwarm implying that they cannot take for a week what other have, at one time, endured for over a year? Surely your alliance is capable of much more than what we have delivered so far.
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Anti Derivative on 02/08/2006 15:33:26
Originally by: Ismern
Originally by: Rebellion Our goal is not to make anyone quit from EVE. Our goal is just to blow up GoonSwarm ships anywhere we see them.
Are you sure about that?
Your leaders seem to have other goals in mind.
I think the confusion is that we see ourselves as Goons regardless of eve, whereas they see us as Goons only insofar as the corp we belong to. So when they say eradicate goons from eve they mean GoonFleet/Waffe proper, and not the group people hailing from the somethingawful.com forums.
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Anille Kole
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Anti Derivative
Originally by: Anille Kole The fact that you're turning "We're attacking you because you've got members that are extremely offensive" into "We're GMs of EVE and we are dictating who you can have as friends."
Those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but rather in this case are logical consequences of each other.
So, because they don't like your members and the fact that you won't remove them even though they are extremely offensive, and are attacking you because of that, makes them not only think of themselves as GMs, but as ultimate deciders of who you can befriend? If they are logical consequences, the logic involved is twisted beyond recognition. They are attacking you because they don't like your members. Would you consider yourselves the GMs of EVE if you attacked a group because they constantly flamed you? Or would you consider it personal vengeance? I think the answer is obvious, but you can't give up the charade because you need all the positive PR you can get, meaning you have to resort to "OHNOES BOB IS BEING A BUNCH OF BULLIES". ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3 |
Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ismern on 02/08/2006 15:36:13
Originally by: DB Preacher
Your history of eve is lacking and therefore your understanding of intention is lacking.
You'll learn though. dbp
My understanding of intention is quite clear. Your attempts at misguiding the public and covering up your true intentions are lacking.
You'll learn though.
----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken.
Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left. |
Dinique
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
Sure the comment wasn't good to start with, but it was made on a private forums for the twisted humor of one man, to the which the rest of GS said was uncalled for.
Thats a blatant lie.
Judging by XZH local from last week, it was atleast 30 or so of your members, including your leader and some directors. Not to mention ships named things like "lol smoske lol". Didn't see anyone say it was uncalled for or wrong from GS, so its reasonable to assume the the general opinion of GS is that its acceptable and fine. Dusk till Dawn Twilight to Starlight
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Grayton
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion We're not saying what is right or wrong. We're just saying that the things you have done so far have resulted in us deciding what we are doing now.
Regarding being responsible for your decisions, this is implied for any intelligent life form.
I am not saying we do not hold ourselves responsible for our own decisions (and by responsible I do not mean "at fault"). I am merely trying to confirm that BoB thinks they can determine we are right or wrong in our decisions and then hold us responsible in their own ways, as this seems to be what Sergeant Spot is implying.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Grayton
Originally by: Sergeant Spot You determine what is right and wrong yourself, and you are responsible for your decision.
The very act of saying you are holding us responsible for our decisions means you are saying what is right and what is wrong for us to do.
So?
Society judges its members all the time, it is the nature of the beast.
Anyway, why are you so hung up on e-morality in a meaningless internet spaceship game?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.02 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Anille Kole So, because they don't like your members and the fact that you won't remove them even though they are extremely offensive, and are attacking you because of that, makes them not only think of themselves as GMs, but as ultimate deciders of who you can befriend? If they are logical consequences, the logic involved is twisted beyond recognition. They are attacking you because they don't like your members. Would you consider yourselves the GMs of EVE if you attacked a group because they constantly flamed you? Or would you consider it personal vengeance? I think the answer is obvious, but you can't give up the charade because you need all the positive PR you can get, meaning you have to resort to "OHNOES BOB IS BEING A BUNCH OF BULLIES".
I didn't say anything about being GMs, you did. If you really need to abstract it into grade school language then: 1. he said he is holding everyone belonging to GS responsible for being members of GS and that the punishment is his wrath. 2. i said that i don't care about his wrath and will do as i please.
Does this make it easier to understand?
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