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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.09.15 08:20:00 -
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Hello, capsulers.
This is just to inform you that all mobile assets inside of pos shields can be bumped out. CCP still did not confirmed if the rule that forbids of using this bugs was really made void by GM.
This topic is just to warn you how you can loose your assets and prevent those looses by properly managing them.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-forcefield-access/?_ga=1.19623032.1783592538.1410503433
How assets can be bumped out of pos shields :
1. Very fast moving target can penetrate shields for very short moment - yes this is possible , this fast moving ship can bump stuff sitting very close to the pos shields , but again inside of them.
2. If you use big object : capital , super capital - their object can enter well inside of the shields while not being in shields - because of this properly used titans can bump almost every thing from small tower
3. Sieged/triaged capitals. Just siege triage something outside of the tower while other capital share the same place (very often thing after fleet warp) and wait for the bump. Very often some of the capitals will be bumped inside of the enemy pos shields and stay there until the siege cycle. Quite often this capital is totally ignored by pos after this and can move inside of the pos after ending its siege cycle.
4. Cyno bumps. After jumping to cyno located on the edge of the pos - ships land in the different locations , the bigger ships jumping in the bigger possibility to have your stuff bumped out.
I'm aware only about those 4 basic bugs, they are well known , but there are probably more of them.
How you can keep your assets safe.
1. Never leave any thing floating in your pos - move all your assets to proper structures 2. Never leave afk char in your pos - keeping range from pos shields will not help, when it get bumped he will be moving well over 3000m/s 3. Do not use small or medium towers. From both of them titans can easily bump stuff out. Large tower have very small portion of space "safe" near the tower itself , unless people will be using approach 3 and 4.
If you know more ways that stuff can be bumped from pos shields ( without having access to the pos ) please share it here.
Ignore trolls post. CCP please don't close this topic - as this will help other players keep their assets safe. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.15 10:07:00 -
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Sod it, I will reply.
Look, we all know what this is about.
The fact is that CCP have ruled that the Titans that have died were not due to an exploit.
Now we all know that usually the only thing that will get CCP to take action is for lots of people to abuse a mechanic, it shouldn't take this but we don't live in a perfect world.
So with that said the best course of action would be for one group to abuse the living **** out of this mechanic and kill as many titans as they can.
To me it a win win situation.
Either CCP will enforce their own rules if indeed an exploit is being used or lots and lots of Titans die.
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Anthar Thebess
691
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Posted - 2014.09.15 10:30:00 -
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You mean your alliance? NC ? Do you include in this PL.
Truth is that any ship could be bumped before from the pos - if you had proper assets , and approach for this.
Many people where not abusing this as you could get baned for this. Now - most of stuff on pos is not safe any more. You can easily abuse this mechanic ( even without the cyno ) in the WH , where people usually leave thier capitals in the pos shields.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.15 10:58:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:You mean your alliance? NC ? Do you include in this PL.
I stated a number of times in the previous thread that was locked that I wanted the CFC to kill titans as when it comes to using in game mechanics to your own advantage the CFC are by the far the best.
As far as I am concern the best titan is a dead titan, regardless who it belongs to.
Anthar Thebess wrote:Sorry but this is not only about dead titan or titans. It is about that right now pos shields are not safe any more.
Technically yes, realistically no.
Anthar Thebess wrote:We had a rule -> if you don't have access to pos shields - nothing located there you are forbidden to bump stuff out.
Now this rule have changed
We still have this rule, nothing has changed. |
FITTIpalti
Beach Boys C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.09.15 11:02:00 -
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Graphical representation of the things about which we are talking
http://i.imgur.com/oWZyR1g.jpg
Fly safe o/ |
Erika Tsurpalen
SoulFire Gaming The Alliance of The Eternal Flame
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Posted - 2014.09.15 11:24:00 -
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If more Titans die then I don't mind. Death to supercaps and all.
Also do you honestly believe someone is going to drop a titan fleet on you for your floating mining barges or something? I think unless you got a floating titan (Which you shouldn't unless you're prepping for jumps or bridging) no one will bother. |
Solecist Project
9937
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Posted - 2014.09.15 11:27:00 -
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Isn't this old news already?
Seriously, I've heard about this some time ago ... (: :) |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
692
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Posted - 2014.09.15 11:35:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Isn't this old news already?
Seriously, I've heard about this some time ago ... Yes... in a locked thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=373000&find=unread . This one won't get much farther either. o.0 |
Solecist Project
9937
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Posted - 2014.09.15 11:42:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: No ... older than that.
I'm just confused about this... but it's a nice way of gaming the mechanics.
I think that the issue right now is that the titan did not get reimbursed ... ... but I could be mistaken. Did it?
The issue is actually a problematic one and they will probably address it eventually ... ... as soon as enough people are doing it or there is too much public coverage.
Like it always is. (: :) |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
692
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Posted - 2014.09.15 11:47:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: No ... older than that. I'm just confused about this... but it's a nice way of gaming the mechanics. I think that the issue right now is that the titan did not get reimbursed ... ... but I could be mistaken. Did it? The issue is actually a problematic one and they will probably address it eventually ... ... as soon as enough people are doing it or there is too much public coverage. Like it always is.
I'm guessing (just guessing... that's what I'd do anyway) that they won't actually fix the issue if the new POS code is under heavy development (or even planning) and that they already accepted the risk of getting bug and reimbursement tickets until it's done.
So the best course of action, without guessing or leaving anything to chance, is to deal with it the regular way: through support tickets. o.0 |
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2014.09.15 12:08:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:So the best course of action, without guessing or leaving anything to chance, is to deal with it the regular way: through support tickets. Sounds reasonable.
But ten more years of dealing with support tickets because of this?
xD (: :) |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.15 13:49:00 -
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Hey look, it's this thread again..
As has already been pointed out, about the only thing you can do is abuse the crap out of this mechanic until someone at CCP pulls their head out and decides to start enforcing the rules again.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.09.15 13:53:00 -
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Best I have read about how to "beat" this scenario and force CCP into changing this mechanic ?
"Unsubscribe your Titan account"
That was just an amazing sentence. I now understand what is wrong in Eve. All of it. It appears much thought was put into making that statement. *cof*
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse-á CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
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Anthar Thebess
691
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:05:00 -
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Troll how much you want. Now any one using those well known bugs can bump stuff from towers.
This will be serious issue for WH people. They have no titans there , but sieged dread can be still bumped into the tower.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:09:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Best I have read about how to "beat" this scenario and force CCP into changing this mechanic ?
"Unsubscribe your Titan account"
TBH that's probably a win-win for everyone.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:14:00 -
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I have unsubbed all three of my titan accounts, and one super account, in response to this agregious violation against the spirit of CCP's former ruling s on the matter.
I guess I'll have to go mine or something until they figure their **** out. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
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Eleanor Wish
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:35:00 -
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1. F*** titans. 2. Complaining about your stuff getting bumped out of a POS is like leaving your wallet/purse visible in your car and then complaining when someone breaks your window. |
Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3643
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Posted - 2014.09.15 14:42:00 -
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Senior GM Arcade stated that using Titans to bump objects out of a POS shield is not an exploit since there is a 'considerable element of risk' in using such expensive ships.
So it's official. Feel free to make use of this sanctioned mechanic. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3373
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Posted - 2014.09.15 15:16:00 -
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Quote:16. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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