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Peter Tordenskjold
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Posted - 2006.08.03 05:30:00 -
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In my corp we have many accidents with our traders, that sending cargo accross the galaxy through the hi-security areas and was sometimes shoot down. There are more an more pilots, that shooting in 1.0 first and thinking later. I don't know why, but this give us great losses. We aren't able to send with each trader 5-10 raven or brutix ships and this can't help if someone shots first and thinking later. The consequence will be higher prices for your fittings.
I don't what to do now, but for shooting someone in hisec areas there should be a consequence for the hole corp of those ridiculous pilots.
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Anniko
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Posted - 2006.08.03 05:47:00 -
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Its called suicide ganking and its perfectly legal, just because you decide to transport your cargo in un-tanked industrials doesnt mean they should be punished harsher, they already lose their ship (although its usually insured). Just dont take 100+ mil worth of stuff through empire in industrials.
Originally by: "Peter Tordenskjold" There are more an more pilots, that shooting in 1.0 first and thinking later.
I think they're thinking "is a portion of that cargo worth more than my ship?"
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.03 06:45:00 -
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I've said this approximately ten times the last day or two...
Tank your hauler FFS - if you're going to be moving good through highsec, at least put a shield extender or two on it. When you've done that, and you still get here, then feel free to bump this thread.
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Peter Tordenskjold
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Posted - 2006.08.03 07:14:00 -
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Its nice to write tank your shield, but some of this pilots shooting with torpedos and so it's meaningless to strenghen the shield on a Iteron5
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Encad Briht
Minmatar United Univers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 07:20:00 -
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Then use Transport ships or freighters. When you have such big loses then it should be not really a matter to invest something in your Security. --------------------------------------- Member of UU : Diplomatic Corps |
Peter Tordenskjold
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Posted - 2006.08.03 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Encad Briht Then use Transport ships or freighters. When you have such big loses then it should be not really a matter to invest something in your Security.
It's not the matter of security or piracy, it's a matter of a high count of brainless pilots that shooting wild around and they loosing their ships (mostly BC) after such an accident.
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Wild Rho
Amarr Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.08.03 07:54:00 -
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People suicide gank when they think you have cargo valuable enough to loose their ship over (i.e. a tech 2 bpo).
The basic moral is if you are flying with valuable cargo put on some armour plating or shield extenders. Your ship WILL survive most suicide attacks long enough for concord to kill the agressors.
If your corp is being constantly hit by these people either find other routes around where they camp, get scouts or tank out your indies. The only other option is to bring a logistics cruiser or t1 support cruiser and have it constantly run remote reps on the indies in areas where your ships are under attack.
Just one last thing that occured to me. Your corp isn't in any wars are they? Do your pilots get spammed with gang invites when entering these systems where you get shot down?
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Peter Tordenskjold
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Posted - 2006.08.03 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Just one last thing that occured to me. Your corp isn't in any wars are they? Do your pilots get spammed with gang invites when entering these systems where you get shot down?
No we don't trade with T2 BPOs only minerals and a T2 BPO will be transported in a BS not in a industrial. I don't think it's professional piracy because most of this brainless pilots are loosing rich fittings. The issue is, our pilots are getting victims in war between 2 other corps if some noobs thinking we are their counterparts.
If we are changing to cruisers or convois our trader loosing to much of their profits and we as corp loosing our traders who are beginning with trading and thinking that mining gives more profits.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 08:36:00 -
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Scout ahead first in a shuttle. Hell, I have safe spots in key systems where I leave a shuttle and just park my hauler there and switch over. Those suicide gankers are rather easy to spot with some experience.
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Zandramus
Pencil Protectors
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Posted - 2006.08.03 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Zandramus on 03/08/2006 09:03:15
Originally by: Peter Tordenskjold
Originally by: Wild Rho
Just one last thing that occured to me. Your corp isn't in any wars are they? Do your pilots get spammed with gang invites when entering these systems where you get shot down?
No we don't trade with T2 BPOs only minerals and a T2 BPO will be transported in a BS not in a industrial. I don't think it's professional piracy because most of this brainless pilots are loosing rich fittings. The issue is, our pilots are getting victims in war between 2 other corps if some noobs thinking we are their counterparts.
If we are changing to cruisers or convois our trader loosing to much of their profits and we as corp loosing our traders who are beginning with trading and thinking that mining gives more profits.
dont transport **** while u have a war
and if its that bad hire mercs
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.08.03 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Tordenskjold No we don't trade with T2 BPOs only minerals and a T2 BPO will be transported in a BS not in a industrial. I don't think it's professional piracy because most of this brainless pilots are loosing rich fittings. The issue is, our pilots are getting victims in war between 2 other corps if some noobs thinking we are their counterparts.
If we are changing to cruisers or convois our trader loosing to much of their profits and we as corp loosing our traders who are beginning with trading and thinking that mining gives more profits.
Your corp is not being a victim in a war between two other corps. Your indies are getting ganked by people who want the expensive cargo you carry in your 500k industrials. After insurance, a suicide raven lose about 30-35m in mods etc. It's not that hard to make the choice between suiciding your hauler (which may carry 200-250m in minerals) for a 30m loss.
To avoid this, do the following:
TANK YOUR HAULERS! Put as many medium shield extenders and hardeners in your mid slots as possible. Shield boosters are useless, as you cannot manage to repair enough shield during the first and second volley that the raven will fire. Despite what you may think, a Badger mk2 or Iteron 4-5 will actually have enough shields to withstand a couple of torp volleys from a raven. If it means sacrifizing a low slot expander for a powergrid mod, then it's worth it to protect your cargo, don't you think?
Use instas. Get instas for all routes that your pilots use, they will great reduce their chance of getting ganked.
Avoid any hubs if possible. While suicide gankers sit in many different systems, the vast majority of them are sitting near the major trading hubs (Jita, Rens, Agil etc). By avoiding these few systems, you greatly reduce the chance of getting your haulers ganked.
If you have a really important cargo you need to get somewhere, for God's sake use a scout. A corp member in a shuttle can fly ahead and look if there are any suspecious ravens/caracals sitting near a gate you're passing. If he spots something he doesn't like, don't take the chance.
DO NOT AFK HAUL. This one is really important, many people seem to think that in high sec your completely safe. This is not the case, you are safer than you are in low sec, but you're still not completely safe. Many people lose 1bn or more from flying all their stuff in a Tech I paperthin hauler afk through the galaxy, and the come on these boards and whine about how people used exploits to kill them. Don't be one of these people.
There are plenty of ways to avoid getting high sec ganked, just think a little about what you're about to dom and if putting 1bn's worth of zydrine/megacyte in that 500k Iteron is really the smart thing to do.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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Tecam Hund
Minmatar The Buggers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Tordenskjold
If we are changing to cruisers or convois our trader loosing to much of their profits and we as corp loosing our traders who are beginning with trading and thinking that mining gives more profits.
What you are saying that game mechanics must be changed according to your needs. The very definition of carebear.
Suicide ganks in Battlecruisers are easy to defend against. Tank your haulers as people stated above. It is possible despite what you think. Might not work against battleships, but then battleship gankers don't attack every passing by hauler because their own ship costs more. For more expensive goods use transport ships. They are impossible to gank in high sec.
Also, I am sorry if I understood you wrong. Did you say that your corp was at war? If so, welcome to EVE. Adapt or die. Hire mercs, escort your haulers or sit docked until the war is over. Besides wars don't happen for no reason. Keep a low profile and look strong in the future. It will save you a lot of trouble.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.03 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: inSpirAcy on 03/08/2006 10:10:49 Edit: added the point I was trying to think of.
Originally by: Peter Tordenskjold I don't what to do now, but for shooting someone in hisec areas there should be a consequence for the hole corp of those ridiculous pilots.
There is a consequence for the attacker which is a huge security rating drop and the loss of their ship. That requires hard grinding in 0.0 belts to recover.
What some people go up in arms about is that the can shouldn't be lootable without consequences, insurance shouldn't be paid for a CONCORD loss and that there should be harsher penalties for suicide alts. The latter is against the rules although some would say it isn't enforced harshly enough.
Brisi's covered the bases on how to avoid being suicide ganked.
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Peter Tordenskjold
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy Edited by: inSpirAcy on 03/08/2006 10:10:49 Edit: added the point I was trying to think of.
What some people go up in arms about is that the can shouldn't be lootable without consequences, insurance shouldn't be paid for a CONCORD loss and that there should be harsher penalties for suicide alts. The latter is against the rules although some would say it isn't enforced harshly enough.
Brisi's covered the bases on how to avoid being suicide ganked.
I'm agree with you. It's to easy for noobs to destroy something because their insurance.
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Peter Tordenskjold
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy Edited by: inSpirAcy on 03/08/2006 10:10:49 Edit: added the point I was trying to think of.
What some people go up in arms about is that the can shouldn't be lootable without consequences, insurance shouldn't be paid for a CONCORD loss and that there should be harsher penalties for suicide alts. The latter is against the rules although some would say it isn't enforced harshly enough.
Brisi's covered the bases on how to avoid being suicide ganked.
I'm agree with you. It's to easy for noobs to destroy something because their insurance.
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GruFF83
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.03 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Tordenskjold
Originally by: Encad Briht Then use Transport ships or freighters. When you have such big loses then it should be not really a matter to invest something in your Security.
It's not the matter of security or piracy, it's a matter of a high count of brainless pilots that shooting wild around and they loosing their ships (mostly BC) after such an accident.
it's no accident, they want your loot - they loose their ship and have an alt pickup your can.
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Peter Tordenskjold
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Posted - 2006.08.03 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: GruFF83
it's no accident, they want your loot - they loose their ship and have an alt pickup your can.
Is there something to loot? Most containers explodes with the ship. This guys loosing more than they can loot.
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GruFF83
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.03 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Tordenskjold
Originally by: GruFF83
it's no accident, they want your loot - they loose their ship and have an alt pickup your can.
Is there something to loot? Most containers explodes with the ship. This guys loosing more than they can loot.
risk vs reward, they take the risk of blowing you up in hope that the containers wont go up with the ship. you loose about 30 mil when you loose a BS, if the contents of a hauler was 200mil - seems like a pretty good deal doesn't it.
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Amasera
Sacred Dark
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:21:00 -
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Quote: Its nice to write tank your shield, but some of this pilots shooting with torpedos and so it's meaningless to strenghen the shield on a Iteron5
Exequror, it's a Gallente cruiser. Check it out. -------------------
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Waragha
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Waragha on 03/08/2006 14:35:23 We made like 1.3bn ganking a transport afk at a gate yesterday where he was afk.. Use the game mechanics as the people above has suggested to protect your ships. Use scouts, use logistics cruisers, have a bs with remote shieldboosters / reppers with you.
You are too used to farting around afk in empire and then the pierats adapted their tactics to take you down.
Can you adapt or will you quit the game?
Oh and btw, people often use cargo scanners. Might be an idea to put expensive things in cans.
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xenodia
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Tordenskjold In my corp we have many accidents with our traders, that sending cargo accross the galaxy through the hi-security areas and was sometimes shoot down. There are more an more pilots, that shooting in 1.0 first and thinking later. I don't know why, but this give us great losses. We aren't able to send with each trader 5-10 raven or brutix ships and this can't help if someone shots first and thinking later. The consequence will be higher prices for your fittings.
I don't what to do now, but for shooting someone in hisec areas there should be a consequence for the hole corp of those ridiculous pilots.
The problem is that the empire gankers sit there and specifically look for un-tanked industrials with high value cargo and/or high value cargo expanders fitted. For the empire gank to work, it has to be a target thats soft enough they can kill it in 1 or 2 volleys, because thats all the time they have before they get concordokkened.
There are basically 2 ways you can get around this problem:
The cheap way: Tank your industrial, at least enough that it can survive one volley from a battleship (and remember most suicide gankers wont fit expensive mods because they know they are going to lose stuff). Yes, this will cut into your cargo capacity, but which is better... an indy with 10k cargo space that survives the trip, or one with 20k that gets blown up every time it passes through jita ? Also, dont fit really expensive cargo expanders. It just makes you a juicy target
The expensive way: Get a tech2 hauler. They are much easier to tank and/or are fast enough to MWD to a gate at the first sign of trouble. My alt hasnt even been locked by a suicide ganker since he moved to viators/occators. He used to get locked all the time in his Iteron.
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:36:00 -
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Fit t2 bpcs (only 1 copy ea.) and a advanced components in your t1 hauler or shuttle, and then follow it with another fast-looting ship to scoop the remains of the hostile Raven.
Too bad the name Vulture is already taken before the Kali riggings emerge.
Seven Deadly Sins
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr Out Of Exile
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:01:00 -
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Tip
You don't ever have to carry anything anywhere to be a good trader.
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Devian 666
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Posted - 2006.08.04 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Devian 666 on 04/08/2006 01:13:04
Originally by: Lienzo Fit t2 bpcs (only 1 copy ea.) and a advanced components in your t1 hauler or shuttle, and then follow it with another fast-looting ship to scoop the remains of the hostile Raven.
Too bad the name Vulture is already taken before the Kali riggings emerge.
Be careful people might start making money this way.
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Voculus
The Fetts Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:27:00 -
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Gotta fit your hauler better to protect what's inside.
My Mammoth has 2 Invulnerability fields, and 3 T2 Med Extenders, for 3400+ shields. When in low-sec or 0.0, use all your lows for WCS. In high sec, no one single ganker is going to scratch you.
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PaRaZiTuRL
Amarr FuZZy Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Tip
You don't ever have to carry anything anywhere to be a good trader.
This is the best advice imho.Good thinking Lardarz.
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Reithan
Caldari Dark Planet Ventures
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Tip
You don't ever have to carry anything anywhere to be a good trader.
SSSsssshh!!! You're giving away all the GOOD secrets now!
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