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Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:09:00 -
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I've had this romantic dream in EVE for a long time now of lovingly producing shiny T2 ships and selling them for a modest profit to provide myself with both a form of passive income and also a slightly cheaper access point to the T2 ships I most like to fly.
To this end I started thinking of T2 frigate production to ease myself in. However, rumour has it old T2 BPOs render this almost impossible to compete with on the market.
Hearing that, I turned my attention to classes like Industrials and Cruisers. So far I've yielded a reasonable T2 Indy blueprint with a bunch of others in the oven, which at "estimated price" gives me a 15-20 mil profit after production.
Not exactly mind-blowing, but for passive income that seems pretty attractive, especially if you build several at once. The obvious problem is that retail prices for both the T2 materials and the ship sale price are higher, and after number crunching I work out at a net 16 mil ISK loss!
There seem to be three solutions to this.
1. The logical answer is "Get a moon POS, mine mats". This doesn't really seem feasible unless I join a 0.0 corp as a presumably faceless one of a billion dudes and mine in a Hulk or something until I die of old age or boredom, which is exactly the scenario I'd like to avoid.
2. Perhaps more realistic, I could set up low buy orders and play the .01 ISK game. This will net me a profit, but if mats take a long time to sell to me and prices increase profit could be marginal, or take so long to gather the mats that it's not even worth the effort.
3. Start selling quality T2 BPCs to corps who can use them. I'd make a fair profit, but it kinda sucks that I don't get to "make" anything :\
Is my EVE dream of small-scale ship production reasonable, or should I just go back to active income methods and put this on the back burner until I have a big corp of some kind and bottomless pockets? :D |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1449
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:33:00 -
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Try fiddling with decryptors, Or make other ships which do sell for a profit.
I haven't done any ship manufacturing since Crius, but before then it was perfectly possible to make most T2 frigs and cruisers (most, not all) with moon mats bought from Jita, and sell them at a profit. Frigates, iirc, were better than cruisers.
Could be the market's still adjusting. |
Banko Mato
Republic University Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:34:00 -
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I'm pretty sure there are not enough T2 frig BPOs (if any at all, no clue about that tbh) in all of eve to play an important part. The daily volume of T2 frigs in jita alone is enough to overwhelm any possible BPO collection. Same goes for most cruisers and industrials (although there might be exceptions to this ofc) .
So in short, yes there is a decent amount of profit to make in T2 ships (doing them myself). Just make sure you produce under perfect or almost perfect conditions (POS, decryptors for invention, teams for different stages of the production chain, etc...). When doing this small scale (meaning you are more mobile) you can easily leech of bigger players teams without paying the sometimes horrid sums yourself. |
Eitak Utrigas
Hydraxis Industries
5
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Posted - 2014.09.16 13:21:00 -
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The T2 Frig market is still very much profitable. You need to make sure you research before you invest as you could get caught out (although thats more the cruiser markets).
One thing though, dont go thinking T2 manufacturing is passive :) |
Team Bidders
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.16 14:32:00 -
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Most T2 frigates are profitable. However, making T2 component needed for T2 ships is sometimes even more profitable. |
Kyoko Onzo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:10:00 -
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Team Bidders wrote:Most T2 frigates are profitable. However, making T2 component needed for T2 ships is sometimes even more profitable.
This. When I started doing T2 stuff I found a much better profit if I built the advanced components myself and then built the ship/mod. Although it makes for a lot of hauling which can be a pain/annoyance. |
Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.16 21:26:00 -
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Kyoko Onzo wrote:Team Bidders wrote:Most T2 frigates are profitable. However, making T2 component needed for T2 ships is sometimes even more profitable. This. When I started doing T2 stuff I found a much better profit if I built the advanced components myself and then built the ship/mod. Although it makes for a lot of hauling which can be a pain/annoyance.
See, I'd love to do this but POS arrangements look like a bit of a nightmare.
I don't mind high risk at all, or working hard to earn my ISK, but I'm quite limited with time I can invest into the game which I guess stymies me a bit with starbases and thus mat production :\
It sounds like unless I build or join a huge corp building any kind of POS is basically asking for Blob McHugeFleet to blow everything up 3 hours later.
It's nice to hear some positive feedback from people in the business though, thanks folks. I have been shopping around and it does look like I can scrape out some profit...perhaps |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1453
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Posted - 2014.09.16 21:40:00 -
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You don't have to do it in a POS.
The T2 components can be built in a station, the ships can be built in a station. There's no POS requirement. |
Lord Battlestar
Faulcon de Lazy
190
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:10:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:You don't have to do it in a POS.
The T2 components can be built in a station, the ships can be built in a station. There's no POS requirement.
Not only is there no POS requirement but now with the ever decreasing amount of moons that will be available (some are spammed by people trying to sell moons, and others are spamed by corps that will eventually go dead and leave dead sticks at the moons), it is less work to just do them in station. You don't have the fuel costs and the need to kill someone else's tower to make room. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Vladdy Tepes
DickButt Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:59:00 -
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All your posts, from the first one to this one, are all based on bad information or thought logic.
They can't blow up your POS 3 hours later because when they declare war on you, you get a 24 hr notice. Just fly out, and take it down. Very simple.
Another option, join a small group/corp just for the sole purpose of sharing the POS arrays.
Quit making excuses not to build and just go do it and enjoy the game.
Arkus Kane wrote:Kyoko Onzo wrote:Team Bidders wrote:Most T2 frigates are profitable. However, making T2 component needed for T2 ships is sometimes even more profitable. This. When I started doing T2 stuff I found a much better profit if I built the advanced components myself and then built the ship/mod. Although it makes for a lot of hauling which can be a pain/annoyance. See, I'd love to do this but POS arrangements look like a bit of a nightmare. I don't mind high risk at all, or working hard to earn my ISK, but I'm quite limited with time I can invest into the game which I guess stymies me a bit with starbases and thus mat production :\ It sounds like unless I build or join a huge corp building any kind of POS is basically asking for Blob McHugeFleet to blow everything up 3 hours later. It's nice to hear some positive feedback from people in the business though, thanks folks. I have been shopping around and it does look like I can scrape out some profit...perhaps
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Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.17 07:33:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:You don't have to do it in a POS.
The T2 components can be built in a station, the ships can be built in a station. There's no POS requirement.
Ah, sorry. I was referring to moon mining I think. You mean in terms of doing the reactions yourself to make mats? I guess that's doable, yeah
It is something I need to look up though, all new to me.
Quote:All your posts, from the first one to this one, are all based on bad information or thought logic.
Well, maybe. But I'm just starting out in Industry, so I'm not immediately going to be the king of deep null moon mining knowledge or whatever when it comes to material production |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1453
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Posted - 2014.09.17 09:25:00 -
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Arkus Kane wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:You don't have to do it in a POS.
The T2 components can be built in a station, the ships can be built in a station. There's no POS requirement. Ah, sorry. I was referring to moon mining I think. You mean in terms of doing the reactions yourself to make mats? I guess that's doable, yeah
No...
No one is suggesting (well, other than you) that you need to mine the moon mats or run the reactions yourself. Those are what need lowsec/nullsec POSs. Manufacturing the T2 components doesn't need a POS, manufacturing the ship doesn't need a POS. They also don't require a corp or a lot of online time or anything else which you're using as an excuse
Quote:Well, maybe. But I'm just starting out in Industry, so I'm not immediately going to be the king of deep null moon mining knowledge or whatever when it comes to material production
And no one, other than you, is suggesting any of those things. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1534
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Posted - 2014.09.17 11:17:00 -
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Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:32:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:And no one, other than you, is suggesting any of those things.
I shall cease suggesting, then
BRB, off to make iskies |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
60
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Posted - 2014.09.18 04:20:00 -
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Just to make clear, what some have suggested is that
1) you can buy moon materials 2) you can build components for T2 ship manufacturing using these moon materials 3) you can build a T2 ship using the components you built in 2) 4) None of this needs a POS
Components making =/= moon mining or reactions
Moon mining may not be accessible to casual solo player, but buying moon materials is just like buying minerals off market.
And just in the same way that you can buy minerals off market and build T1 for profit, you can buy moon materials off market and build T2 for profit.
There is no reason a casual player can't do this and make profit. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux
84
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:44:00 -
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hell, that's the only way to get materials in my book, screw going and getting them yourself.
1.Setup buy orders 2.have someone else haul for you 3. ??? 4. PROFIT!! |
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