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Niivvy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:09:00 -
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what is grief play and if it does exist is it against the eula?
for example the other day in a 0.4 system i killed somone just for the hell of it, no other reason i didnt even open the can he/she dropped. they wernt bothering me, i was in my gedden, they were in a frig. I shot they went pop i flew away. why did i do this? because im a bad ******* and i can. No other reason.
The question: If this is griefing am i breaking any rules doing this. I would like to know because i dont care if i upset somone in game but, i on the other hand dont want to upset ccp.
(i am not trolling. And if u want to flame me go ahead because like i said i dont care what other people think of me.)
but in all seriousness when does randon pvp become griefing if at all? and is it against any rules
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 03/08/2006 14:13:56 Many ppl have various definitions of griefing.
My definition extends beyond what CCP allows, some ppl want more ability to grief than what CCP allows.
If you do stuff like that in 0.4 and lower, there are really no rules you can break in terms of griefing.
Only way to grief by CCP's definition I guess would be to repeatedly attack the same person over and over again with the intent of trying to get them to quit the game...
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:16:00 -
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Sometimes when people shoot me I cry.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:25:00 -
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Griefing is posting a new topic before checking if there is already an existing discussion on the subject.
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Niivvy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:30:00 -
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thanks bhaal for an intelegent answer i honestly didnt thing id get one straight off like that
and avon why do people like u have to get ure 2 cents in?
why would i check the forums every time i post? when i can just ask and get an intelegent answer like the one from bhaal.
always and i mean always theres a smartass and no one likes a smartass (thats my 2 cents)
if people cant come up with an intelegent post dont post please
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Griefing is posting a new topic before checking if there is already an existing discussion on the subject.
i think listening to bhaal whine about griefing is griefing in itself
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Niivvy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:35:00 -
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to avon
i just found the other post and although it is of a similar nature did not answer my question.
i was asking if i was breaking any rules if i randomly kill people for no reason and it apears i am not.
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Rayvonuk
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Griefing is posting a new topic before checking if there is already an existing discussion on the subject.
Making a post like this, is basically saying "im a ****", GL IRL.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 03/08/2006 14:44:15
Originally by: Niivvy
why would i check the forums every time i post? when i can just ask and get an intelegent answer like the one from bhaal.
Because it is polite, and posting duplicate threads is against the forum rules?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rayvonuk
Originally by: Avon Griefing is posting a new topic before checking if there is already an existing discussion on the subject.
Making a post like this, is basically saying "im a ****", GL IRL.
I do fine in real life thanks, and without having to resort to bad language. I hope your post made you feel good.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Niivvy to avon
i just found the other post and although it is of a similar nature did not answer my question.
i was asking if i was breaking any rules if i randomly kill people for no reason and it apears i am not.
If you wanted a ruling on the question, you should have asked a GM. Whilst I agree broadly with Bhaal's interpretation of the rules, neither of us can give you a definative answer, only opinion.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Only way to grief by CCP's definition I guess would be to repeatedly attack the same person over and over again with the intent of trying to get them to quit the game...
I would agree with that definition.
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Niivvy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:04:00 -
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avon this is not a duplicate post the other post i think u are on about asks what is the diffrence between pvp and griefplay. I ask if what i did WAS grief play.
however going off topic and trolling which is what u are doing is against the rules
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Niivvy avon this is not a duplicate post the other post i think u are on about asks what is the diffrence between pvp and griefplay. I ask if what i did WAS grief play.
however going off topic and trolling which is what u are doing is against the rules
You can run around in circles arguing this if you wish, but it will not make you right. If you want official clarification on a game rule, you ask the GM's directly. If you want discussion, then post in an appropriate thread if one already exists (which it does), and is current (which it is).
If you decide that you are too important, or that you are somehow exempt from acting in what is usually considered the 'correct' manner, then excuse me if I am not sympathetic to your position.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Zhelavar
Gallente CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aodha Khan
Originally by: Bhaal
Only way to grief by CCP's definition I guess would be to repeatedly attack the same person over and over again with the intent of trying to get them to quit the game...
I would agree with that definition.
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Niivvy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:24:00 -
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ok the two topics are at the top of the forum now
they are diffrent topics my post asks if what I did is griefing and against eula turns out it isnt. the other asks to define grief play and pvp.
These posts while similar are diffrent,. bhaal gave me a link which pretty much answered my question. The other post did not have this info or if it did i missed it. Anyway the fact that my question was answered makes my post both valid and informative. U are wrong mate admit it.
theres always one person who comes into a forum post and trolls u are one of them. go away! i neither value or want ure opinion anymore.
have a nice day
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RaThlan Naaoor
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Niivvy to avon
i just found the other post and although it is of a similar nature did not answer my question.
i was asking if i was breaking any rules if i randomly kill people for no reason and it apears i am not.
If you wanted a ruling on the question, you should have asked a GM. Whilst I agree broadly with Bhaal's interpretation of the rules, neither of us can give you a definative answer, only opinion.
Thanks for recognizing that - in the end my blatherings in the other thread and anyone else's are just discussions for our own interest - the devs already have stated their position pretty clearly :-)
For the interested - the relevant post is: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=372587
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RaThlan Naaoor
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: RaThlan Naaoor on 03/08/2006 15:29:27 Edited by: RaThlan Naaoor on 03/08/2006 15:28:36 Edited by: RaThlan Naaoor on 03/08/2006 15:27:13
Originally by: Niivvy avon this is not a duplicate post the other post i think u are on about asks what is the diffrence between pvp and griefplay. I ask if what i did WAS grief play.
however going off topic and trolling which is what u are doing is against the rules
Avon is more or less correct, the post seems to be a duplicate. In either case, the result of that is more for the mods to decide - hostility is really not nessicary, but redundant threads tend not to get good results.
And I would re-iterate that although I respect Bhaal, he is not nessicarily the majority opinon or authority on the topic, but neither is anyone. His post in this case was reasonable IMHO. My answer to this is : A forum topic gtd to cause controversy.
Now quit trolling Avon, OP - you got your answer :)
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:30:00 -
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Griefing is playing with the exclusive purpose of making the game unpleasent for other people.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:31:00 -
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All I can say is I love these forums.
If I had a wife, I'd never argue with her because by the time I got home from work, I'd have no argument left in me due to these forums... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Niivvy
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:32:00 -
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either way i read the other post and and it didnt really answer my question this post however did.
besides the point i didnt see the other post i just came on the forums with a question which got answered first shot and i also realise that bhaal aint the be all and end all of griefing rules but the link he gave me is. and thats good enough for me.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal All I can say is I love these forums.
If I had a wife, I'd never argue with her because by the time I got home from work, I'd have no argument left in me due to these forums...
I have a wife, and I would just like to say that wives can argue in ways that would put even the most rampant flamefests on these forums to shame.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:37:00 -
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The only griefing that bothers me is the ones who sit in Jita in a baby ALT character in a Kestrel ganking random haulers for loot, and then who recycle the character when the sec status goes too low.
Its just pathetic. Live with your main ffs. The only thing you can take away from EVE when the servers go to the great server farm in the sky is your reputation with other people, and to be honest, I'd rather not be known for being a knob that abused using ALTs.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 03/08/2006 15:38:16
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Bhaal All I can say is I love these forums.
If I had a wife, I'd never argue with her because by the time I got home from work, I'd have no argument left in me due to these forums...
I have a wife, and I would just like to say that wives can argue in ways that would put even the most rampant flamefests on these forums to shame.
Sounds like a challenge to have one of them there wife things, I'm going to have to get one soon then... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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EvilNate
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:40:00 -
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I would say that if you are griefing some one, you are making a specific effort to make their life hell.
Camp their station 24/7, destory everything they own, tracking them everywhere they go, bascially reduce the amount of play time where they actively get to play to a bare minimium, break their spirit and will.
Cause them grief. Some people are easier to grief than others, usualy depending on how stupid they are and put everything in one basket.
Nate.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon The only griefing that bothers me is the ones who sit in Jita in a baby ALT character in a Kestrel ganking random haulers for loot, and then who recycle the character when the sec status goes too low.
Its just pathetic. Live with your main ffs. The only thing you can take away from EVE when the servers go to the great server farm in the sky is your reputation with other people, and to be honest, I'd rather not be known for being a knob that abused using ALTs.
Recycling an alt to avoid the penalty of decreased sec status is an exploit, and can lead to your account being banned. Killing people in hi-sec space for their loot, however, is not griefing.
Following a random miner around whilst flying a pimped up combat ship, stealing his ore, jetisoning it, and then blowing up in front of him, repeatedly, no matter where he went or when he played, just because you thought it would annoy the person playing the miner character .. that would be griefing.
Bumping a hauler at a gate, where you would have no chance of killing it, just to annoy them .. that is griefing.
You don't have to kill people to grief them, just act in a way that diminshes their enjoyment of the game, with that being your sole objective.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:44:00 -
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Are wives griefers or carebears?
If there are both kinds, how do I know which kind I'm getting? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
My Hero
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal Are wives griefers or carebears?
If there are both kinds, how do I know which kind I'm getting?
I guess it depends which country you buy yours from.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Bhaal Are wives griefers or carebears?
If there are both kinds, how do I know which kind I'm getting?
I guess it depends which country you buy yours from.
I've been scanning the market, but have not found anything I like yet.
Normally, I download the users manual before I obtain something, but I'm having trouble finding one for this particular item... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Avon You don't have to kill people to grief them, just act in a way that diminshes their enjoyment of the game, with that being your sole objective.
That was actually a pretty informative summary, thanks.
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