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ratking
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:37:00 -
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Calm down people - the autocannons and lasers killing the Scorp has hardly cooled down yet as the incident is only a few hours old.
That said, with the insame amounts of real-life $ the nber modules in Eve can generate on Ebay and other trading forums, I really hope that CCP is monitoring the amount of spawned articles on a daily basis, much like an stock exchange would do to avoin insider tradings.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Empero It was a "legal" 0.0 kill and i see absoluty no reason why now a gang mate (Hazad) who was involved in the fight is banned, and why we lost the loot..
So, please.. where is the Problem?
Hazad was probably temporarily banned in order to "freeze the evidence" as it were, making sure the modules didn't get moved to other players and therefore harder to track down in the future. Kinda like Customs ships webbing you and then promptly blowing your ass to pieces for your own protection while taking drugs from you.
You left out part of your sentance, I fixed it for you.
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Freddy Jason
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Freddy Jason on 03/08/2006 20:41:21
Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Empero It was a "legal" 0.0 kill and i see absoluty no reason why now a gang mate (Hazad) who was involved in the fight is banned, and why we lost the loot..
So, please.. where is the Problem?
Hazad was probably temporarily banned in order to "freeze the evidence" as it were, making sure the modules didn't get moved to other players and therefore harder to track down in the future. Kinda like Customs ships webbing you for your own protection while taking drugs from you.
Give CCP time to figure out what happened and fix it before yelling at them for a temp ban or something.
why was the original post from my friend empero removed? he just explained the situation as he was part of the gang who killed the guy...
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
You did test a full fit with 6 estamel launchers and 2 something else's ? And assuming full lows as well (cpu hogging bcu's maybe ?).
WTB Scorpion with 6 launcher points. Mine only has 4.
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Havelcek
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: kieron If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
Kieron,
There's a big flaw in your logic, which is that in the case the GM IS interfering with gameplay by using his out-of-game tools to add in-game items for whatever reason. So while its noble and all to want to investigate the situation, doing it by banning the player until you figure out WTF your staff is doing is really really disturbing.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:39:00 -
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Extremely fishy.
The GM would just have removed the items under normal circumstances, no questions asked - and if in a good mood - would have given a short explanation according to the official rules available to the left.
We will see as much of an explanation as with the server hacks around xmas. --*=*=*--
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Aero089 on 03/08/2006 20:43:36
Originally by: JA RULER I can conform it was a PERMABAN and not a temporary one. as per the evidence i have seen
I can confirm that you didn't listen to TS. He got a message telling him what was going on and that it may take a few hours.
EDIT: SP and such.
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Saerid
Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:42:00 -
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Ofc CCP has told us multiple times spawning items and such by GM tools always leaves a log trace. Which begs the question does anyone actually monitor those logs?. Or if you run into something fishy like this, are you more likely to have a date with the permaban stick and the log will remain in pristinely untouched state unless someone manages to raise a public stink about it. Which would get them looked through.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:42:00 -
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Why assume that a gm was nasty here ?
Why not assume that he either was already investigating things and just messed it up a little, or that he was actually told to spawn the stuff in the first place ?
I mean, imagine CCP getting a big investor interested or something. And this guy says he would like to know the gameplay of what he's buying into, being something of a e-nerd himself and all that fluff. So CCP says, 'sure go ahead, we'll have dear old gm X spawn you a nice char with some skills and hand you this neatly fitted BS with some leet stuff on it to have fun in', and this guy suprises the fell outta them by taking it all into 0.0 space first thing he does, adn getting whooped in the process...
Doesn't sound convincing does it ? Sure would be funny tho
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
You did test a full fit with 6 estamel launchers and 2 something else's ? And assuming full lows as well (cpu hogging bcu's maybe ?).
WTB Scorpion with 6 launcher points. Mine only has 4.
Oh yeah, true dat
Now I think of it, that does sounds like a true noob actually. Who goes out soloing in a scorp anyway these days ?
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:44:00 -
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At the moment it does not matter what the Scorp pilot did to get this modules online or even to get them. I fell ****ed off.
Some Friends kill a guy in a scorpion who entered 0.0 and riked his death fitted with officer mods - thats absolutely his fault.
Even if he has found a way to hack the CCP programms this is not the fault of the player who looted his can.
so simply i do not see the point why Hazad is banned temporarely. he just lootet the can of his victim!
I know somebody told as long as the investigation lasts - but how long will it last? days? weeks? if so wheres the point in banning him? at least he is a paying customer and seeing CCP threating customers this way makes me little bit angry to be true.
sincerly
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger At the moment it does not matter what the Scorp pilot did to get this modules online or even to get them. I fell ****ed off.
Some Friends kill a guy in a scorpion who entered 0.0 and riked his death fitted with officer mods - thats absolutely his fault.
Even if he has found a way to hack the CCP programms this is not the fault of the player who looted his can.
so simply i do not see the point why Hazad is banned temporarely. he just lootet the can of his victim!
I know somebody told as long as the investigation lasts - but how long will it last? days? weeks? if so wheres the point in banning him? at least he is a paying customer and seeing CCP threating customers this way makes me little bit angry to be true.
sincerly
They have to check what happened and maybe that means freezing his logs. Who knows. Its like rumour heaven in here. I would put some faith in ccp.. they want to fix this the best way they can, im sure.
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Jbel Moussa
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:47:00 -
[133]
Can you say "Welcome to Wallmart Hammer here"
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James Don
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: James Don on 03/08/2006 20:48:33
Originally by: kieron If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
All other issues aside as I know this matter is being delt with I still feel the need to ask a few things if I may Kieron.
Actually I cant ask the first one as it's discussing GM's so I wont :p
2ndly :p if these modules arent ment to be in the game yet just how did they get in? and just how many items or how much ISK or skills can people attain illegally?
Im sure you understand that for long term playing and paying players its a grave concern that EVE could possibly be hacked in this way to attain levels of skill within such a short time. -------------------------------------------- notify : Your cloaking systems are unable to activate due to your ship being within 2000 meters of the nearby Snowballs. |
Haulin'Hauling
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
You did test a full fit with 6 estamel launchers and 2 something else's ? And assuming full lows as well (cpu hogging bcu's maybe ?).
I cba checking it but i'd have thought it wouldn't fit.
Still if ti does that doesn't change that much. Noone fits that stuff on such a char anyway, ever, ever, remember ?
Just tested with quickfit, listed skills + electronic upg lvl 1 and tact shield manip lvl 1 (add 3hrs to the total): High: 4xEstamel's Modified Siege Missile Launcher [22xMjolnir Torpedo] 2x Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Med: 1xEstamel's Modified ECM Multispectral Jammer 1xEstamel's Modified Large Shield Booster 3xDraclira's Modified Cap Recharger 3xEstamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Low: 2xDraclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System 2xFree slot (dmg control?)
1.8k+ free PG and 23cpu, i had to start from another char so there might be some skill interfering but nothing affecting the PG/cpu.
That gives him enuf cap to run all of that all the time (even the 2x smartbombs) while being double nossed and all his resists at 80-90%.
Not judging if ppl should fit that or not, but if they want it's possible to fit a one month old char with all that, i'ld rather buy 250,000 frigs :)
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:49:00 -
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Kieron, is the accidental creation of items into the game a common occurence? Furthermore, irregardless of the 'event' being discussed, which is not supposed to be up for discussion, is it possible to be informed if this was a goof on the part of a ccp guy vs. an exploit thta someone discovered?
I ask this because if it is a GM goof, then its really not a big deal to me personally (no offense to those involved, I don't want to see anyone banned). HOWEVER, if some random person discovered a way to aquire items illegally, then it is a large concern, to everyone. I say this because smart people who had discovered a gamebreaking bug to spawn items would prolly be much more careful about it, and for all we know 3/4 of all the loot on the market could be 'tainted' at this very moment, done slowly to avoid the ire of those who would seek them out. In which case the market would be pretty much borked.
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Master Chaot
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Nero Winger At the moment it does not matter what the Scorp pilot did to get this modules online or even to get them. I fell ****ed off.
Some Friends kill a guy in a scorpion who entered 0.0 and riked his death fitted with officer mods - thats absolutely his fault.
Even if he has found a way to hack the CCP programms this is not the fault of the player who looted his can.
so simply i do not see the point why Hazad is banned temporarely. he just lootet the can of his victim!
I know somebody told as long as the investigation lasts - but how long will it last? days? weeks? if so wheres the point in banning him? at least he is a paying customer and seeing CCP threating customers this way makes me little bit angry to be true.
sincerly
They have to check what happened and maybe that means freezing his logs. Who knows. Its like rumour heaven in here. I would put some faith in ccp.. they want to fix this the best way they can, im sure.
I totally agree with Nero, banning a paying customer who has done nothing wrong is an unacceptable way of investiagion. Checking all logs from involved parties without banning anyone would be acceptable tho...
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Buxaroo Wow, this has turned into a very weird thread with all the ban rumors floating around.
Rumours?
Robert, I meant that it wasn't confirmed at the time I posted that. I was reading something I thought was kind of goofy or easily explained and then it turned into this GM thing which I didn't expect. I feel for anyone who gets banned for silly reasons thats for sure.
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:55:00 -
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I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: SolSniper I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
With the ASSUMPTION that it was a GMs fault, is it any more fair to give 40bil(?) worth of modules to a person indirectly in that manner? It would be a lose-lose situation I would think, and so a decision that left someone with 2 hours of lost time yet preserved the integrity of the game might be a fair choice, when viewed in that light. |
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Lt Hole
Caldari Tyrell Corp Curse Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: SolSniper I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
I think being banned in this case is like being arrested.
It doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. They just need to hold you in place until they can figure out IF you've done anything wrong.
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Freddy Jason
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 Edited by: Benco97 on 03/08/2006 21:00:55 Like someone said, if the ship was spawned by a GM then maybe it was spawned for a legitimate reason? some sort of testing purpose perhaps? I know they have their own closed off system for testing but I assumed that didn't run the current live version so maybe the only way to TRUE test something was on the live server. We need to have faith in CCP until some actual facts are presented, currently we know NOTHING about what happened.
*EDIT* by "closed off system" I DID NOT mean the area of space we cannot reach, I meant their own server
if it would be that way why is there no official statement yet that enlightens us all? we are still guessing around in the dark whats goin on behind the scenes
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Master Chaot
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Hole
Originally by: SolSniper I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
I think being banned in this case is like being arrested.
It doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. They just need to hold you in place until they can figure out IF you've done anything wrong.
i still don't get why they ban the guy who just collected the loot then?
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Jbel Moussa
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:04:00 -
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So.......
When everyone stops playing EVE and CCP goes bankrupt......
I have a few openings in the boneyard at our stud mill in Northern Alberta.
I'll even let you pertend your flying all the best ships and mods.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Havelcek There's a big flaw in your logic, which is that in the case the GM IS interfering with gameplay by using his out-of-game tools to add in-game items for whatever reason. So while its noble and all to want to investigate the situation, doing it by banning the player until you figure out WTF your staff is doing is really really disturbing.
You know what they say about making assumptions, and you are making a big one by assuming a GM is willing to risk his job by spawning some high end modules for himself or some of his buddies.
No flaw in the thinking, there are a wide variety of ways an item can make it into the game on accident, including mistakenly spawning a module for an event set-up, database or code change that adds the item to the market and more. If an item does not belong in EVE, the GMs have every authority to remove it.
If a bank makes an error and deposits money into your account, they remove the money when they discover the error. You don't get to keep it. EVE is the same way.
Folks, it's time to put away the tin-foil hats. The GMs are investigating and will take proper action as required.
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Doctor Mario
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:07:00 -
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Ever heared about "The Customer is king"?
Don't think so. :-/
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:08:00 -
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Remember that SiSi is on the Dragon Code at the moment. The GM could not accidently have mistaken Tranquility for the testserver.
*imagines a GM showing Stavros how cool spawning items is ... --*=*=*--
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Imaran
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:10:00 -
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Okay, this one has gone far enough.
Locked for discussion of Bans and Moderation.
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Easy Target
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:14:00 -
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Quote: 2ndly :p if these modules arent ment to be in the game yet just how did they get in? and just how many items or how much ISK or skills can people attain illegally
with a GMs tools i would assume anything in the eve game can be spawned at will.
Same theory as the test server and the seeded market in syndicate. they werent built..
GMs waved their jedi hand and it was all spawned. (bows to the great powers)
Interesting for sure.
hope it gets sorted out quickly as possible, and if the guy who has been banned is an innocent party then that is determined quickly and he gets his account back. :)
Jumping to conclusions and speculating serves no purpose.
it is in the public eye, CCP will want it sorting as much as the FIX players, and the ones looking at the uber lootage.
I like rod blaines theory.. i agree that would indeed rock... :)
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GM Ender
Amarr Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
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