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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:25:00 -
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Um your edit is just about abusing position to spawn stuff.
Them actually playing the game doesn't have anything to do with GM powers, and everything to do with a certain level of required knowledge about EVE.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a GM has nothing to do with code or anything like that, they use tools that are provided to them read petitions and make judgement calls within the framework of their policy.
I'm a bit surprised a junior GM has access to tools that can bump a character's skills and spawn items.
I would have thought they'de get 3-5 basic abilities, mostly consisting of 'move player to last station they docked at'
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:30:00 -
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Newsflash: GM are people too.
And I would react exactly the same as Haz did. (Yes, players are people too.)
Besides its shocking to see when push comes to shove GM actually find out stuff in logs afterall.
And I wish that sacked GM a happy career in the exciting world of fish cannery business.
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abraheam
Caldari Emerald Empire Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:36:00 -
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All these scenarios are what the test server is for. You dont have to have a sustained charactor participating in player events and interactions to know how to use a factory. Again what parts of the game do you have to know if you can just spawn yourself with the best mods and ships in the game.
I wonder if that GM ever did a complex? Or did any missions...or did R&D agents. Considering he had a 1 month charactor with the best mods in the game probably not.
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Major Smiley
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:39:00 -
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I have to say, good on the GMs for handling this affair quickly and then admitting what actually happened.
Also, keep in mind if they would have said nothing and just kept the loot, they would still have the loot. I can't imagine gaining such valuable items, then being told that they can't keep it. Their sacrifice "outed" a crooked GM and made the EVE universe a little better for everyone.
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Michiyo Daishi
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:47:00 -
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TBH, as a paying customer, I'd like more formality (and proper PR handling) regarding such incidents like this.
Sure you caught him, but that's just plain Blizzard level WoW (yes, I mocketh WoW here). The CCP we all know and love wouldnt have even let such a rotten apple show up as a working paid employee at CCP as a junior GM in the first place.
Cmon CCP, you can do better than that. And no dont give me the PR talk that "there's no such thing as bad publicity." News flash, this one is bad publicity. Get the leather out and start whipping people. Seriously.
Sidenote: News of the now fired employee would be appreciated, so we know who/what kidns of people to avoid hiring next time in case we need trustworthy employees. -
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
Interesting, I presume all the GM's player accounts were banned too?
why would they do that?...
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:48:00 -
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I hope the CCp team make that GM sweat in the chair before they let him go?
Was he delivering that ship to someone?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/08/2006 14:52:41
Originally by: abraheam All these scenarios are what the test server is for. You dont have to have a sustained charactor participating in player events and interactions to know how to use a factory. Again what parts of the game do you have to know if you can just spawn yourself with the best mods and ships in the game.
I wonder if that GM ever did a complex? Or did any missions...or did R&D agents. Considering he had a 1 month charactor with the best mods in the game probably not.
They're not allowed to spawn stuff for themselves. That's why he got fired, hello !
A GM's player account is just like anyone else's account, they start as a newbie and play the game normally, no advantages. Same with devs. Wouldn't be any fun playing the game with "cheat codes" anyway.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
Glad it was a GM and not an exploit.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Ender, I'm glad that this has been resolved and a corrupt GM has been brought to account, however I am not satisfied with your post. You state:
Originally by: GM Ender We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused.
But unfortunately I've seen the logs, that is a blatant inaccuracy. In fact he said that the GM team were more than welcome to take them and asked what items he should return, the GM team could not list such items which led to him becoming suspiscious of what exactly was going on - as the character in question is a programmer himself he was very, rightly, confused that logs don't exist for such things.
He did not flatly refuse at all, he offered to work WITH your team to return them. Was that really too much to ask for? The phrases "I don't mind if you take them" and "pls feel free to remove them" (those are exact quotes) do not constitute "flat refusal" to cooperate.
I think you owe Hazad an apology.
Might I also suggest you put in a feature request with the Devs to have "non-destroyed loot" added as a logging function.
Well done on getting this sorted, I know you guys learn from your mistakes but, in your own words, this one was a bit of a doozy.
Agreed, and thank you for stating that.
Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback. |
LORD STEALTH
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Was he delivering that ship to someone?
What he said.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
If a bank makes an error and deposits money into your account, they remove the money when they discover the error. You don't get to keep it. EVE is the same way.
Just for the sake of the argument;
If a bank in Iceland makes that mistake, the money is yours. If they accidentally deposit an amount in the wrong account, if they add an extra zero, etc.
Should the amount be high enough to threaten the welfare of the bank, they can take it to court and get a warrant to correct the mistake. Otherwise you keep it.
At least that's the impression I got from my lawyer when we were talking about this a while back. ----
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Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir
Originally by: Dugan Lee
Originally by: Ombey , just
To be honest, I just scanned this thread, same old, same old, right? Wrong. GM Ender's post has floored me.
How can someone who has (had) *such* a cool job, risk it for something so trivial as cheating in a game? If his arse isn't sore from kicking himself, I'd be amazed.
Good job to the other GMs for finding it so fast.
We'll - I doubt that GM job pays super great... and we've already established it was something like $3200 worth of items. That may explain part of the motives.
Wrong, he used the officer fitted scorpion to jump into a 0.0 chokepoint. Indeed how can such people become GM?
Huh? Did you quote the wrong thread?
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Wierd Beard
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Ender, I'm glad that this has been resolved and a corrupt GM has been brought to account, however I am not satisfied with your post. You state:
Originally by: GM Ender We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused.
But unfortunately I've seen the logs, that is a blatant inaccuracy. In fact he said that the GM team were more than welcome to take them and asked what items he should return, the GM team could not list such items which led to him becoming suspiscious of what exactly was going on - as the character in question is a programmer himself he was very, rightly, confused that logs don't exist for such things.
He did not flatly refuse at all, he offered to work WITH your team to return them. Was that really too much to ask for? The phrases "I don't mind if you take them" and "pls feel free to remove them" (those are exact quotes) do not constitute "flat refusal" to cooperate.
I think you owe Hazad an apology.
Might I also suggest you put in a feature request with the Devs to have "non-destroyed loot" added as a logging function.
Well done on getting this sorted, I know you guys learn from your mistakes but, in your own words, this one was a bit of a doozy.
/signed again
That type of statement reflects poorly on one of our alliance members and on our alliance as a whole.
The very least, the player deserves is an apology.
Good job on sacking the offending employee. I'm sure the CCP staff is just as angry as the players. But it truly sucks that one player had to go through all of this because of one bad apple.
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:20:00 -
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Cheating GM's in eve.
A sad day
Please give us the GM name though
The last dev blog mentioning new GM's listed these as the new GM's, so which was it?
GM Markab, GM Fear, GM Panic, GM Mitsurugi, GM Eldini, GM Hokkirass and GM Xamother ---------------
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Amthrianius Cheating GM's in eve.
A sad day
Please give us the GM name though
The last dev blog mentioning new GM's listed these as the new GM's, so which was it?
GM Markab, GM Fear, GM Panic, GM Mitsurugi, GM Eldini, GM Hokkirass and GM Xamother
They probably won't say, so as not to risk being sued by the former GM for privacy violations or whatever.
I don't see how releasing the "GM Name" would be breaking that, his real name yes, but GM name not possible as only the GM's/DEV's would know his real identity anyway so releasing just his GM name wouldn't breach anything like that. But it would put faith back to some of us who still believe the GM's are covering something up, that maybe they are lying to us about just how 'new' this GM is. Maybe even a Senior GM? ---------------
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:35:00 -
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ccp didn't follow the 'Crucify in the open' politics in the past. Neither against customers, not against their volunteers nor employees.
I don't think they're going to change that now. --*=*=*--
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aero089 on 04/08/2006 15:42:29 For all those that are flaming CCP right now about this subject:
The case of this GM could happen to ANY company. People need to have a strong Willpower attribute to resist the temptation of abusing their powers. Sometimes in an application process this is not directly obvious and as the Dutch saying goes: "Only after a lamb drowns in a well, Man will close it".
Miscommunication is just like that. In some cases we simply miss a line or interpret a line in a wrong way. Mind you, written text where you don't hear a voice or anything can sound positive in one's mind, but negative and unwillling in another's. I believe the GM that banned Hazad Barud simply didn't get Hazad's intentions and decided to cut him off before he did something like transferring the stuff quickly, making the tracking process only harder.
EDIT: Just be happy CCP is an open, honest company. At least they take responsibility for what happened and briefs the community about what is going on and what measures are being taken.
For the sake of us all, please accept it as it is. At least the involved parties do.
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Chip2k3
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:43:00 -
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But that GM was probs /commanding his skills, so I'm sure he had willpower maxed
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GM Ender
Amarr Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:44:00 -
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While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism, I can tell you that it was none of the GM's mentioned above.
When I said that this GM was brand new, I meant that he was brand new. He was hired (and fired) after the dev blog quoted was written.
Lead GM Ender
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Stamm
Amarr GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: GM Ender While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism, I can tell you that it was none of the GM's mentioned above.
When I said that this GM was brand new, I meant that he was brand new. He was hired (and fired) after the dev blog quoted was written.
Lead GM Ender
Poor guy. I used to spawn myself a character to kill cheaters when I was a wizard. Then again that was 15 years ago and the game wasn't quite on the same level as Eve :P Then again I wasn't breaking the rules as none applied to me.
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Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Dugan Lee stomped by some do-gooders
That's what Im going to tell people I'm doing from now on when I gank them - checking they aren't an errant GM for the good of the community :)
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inSpirAcy
Caldari The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:54:00 -
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I'd just like to thank the GMs for bringing this up publicly, rather than resolving it only with the parties involved. It's a good boost of confidence to hear this stuff said in the open.
Good job lads (and ladies)!
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Manus Ghostface
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Glad it was a GM and not an exploit.
QFFT, the ramifications of a exploit allowing for accelerated skill training or just spoofed skills would be insane.
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FooB2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:05:00 -
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please say it wasnt xhagen. we would all miss his crotch so.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: GM Ender While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism.
Indeed, I certainly wouldn't expect any less.
I do however still believe you owe hazad an apology and a rescindment of your claim that he flatly refused to cooperate, Ender.
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Chip2k3
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:15:00 -
[238]
I think if this were in a playground, all the kids would be gathered Dianabolic and GM Ender shouting FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
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JA RULER
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:19:00 -
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WEll he could not have been just hired and fired as his char was over a month old unless he played EVE b4 joining CCP.
Now i wish to say thanks for the swift action, but now i must ask and soon demand that u repel Hazads ban. He wanted to coroprate with teh GM and said he can have the mods.
That was all he coul ddo as he DID NOT IN FACT HAVE THE MODS WITH HIM, as they had been given to someone else in gang to bring to a station for safe keeping then logged. He could not have helped in any other way than whet he did.
ONly when he had a feeling that the GM was not being entirely Trufull did he start asking questions himself that the GM could not answer. Christ sake the entire populace of EVE would have acted the same way from that moment on. he still said the GM could take them but was not going to co-operate with a potential scamm and there by become involved for assisting in there scamm.
IF he had simply done what the GM wanted none of this would have been noticed and your GM would have carried on cheating and killed others with the ship sand mods and they would not have even got any rebursment what so ever.
Hazad deserves a simple apology also. He is a dam good person and a fine pilot. Also English is not is primary tougne.
He did the best he could under the circumstances and for you to continue the ban and blame it on him not helping is just CCP trying to save face and Making out that it is not all CCP fault and wants someone else to share blame.
Now please repel his ban or i wil be back on this forums.
Many thanks
JA RULER
Officer
Hunters Agency
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Down Range
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:28:00 -
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Can someone that has read all this give me a run down on just WTF happened?
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