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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11223
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Posted - 2014.09.17 19:42:00 -
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Samsara Toldya wrote:Shoot a Serpentis Burner to lose standing to Serpentis.
Shoot an ex-Amarrian Burner to lose standing to...? They are neither Amarr nor pirates.
We are going to be removing all standings loss for shooting any Burners in Oceanus. Even the pirate Burners are no longer recognized by their previous employers. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2888
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:15:00 -
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I find it's interesting that a quarter of all value is destroyed by NPCs. Destruction is the driver for the EVE economy, and 25% of that drive comes from the NPCs. If there was a copy of eve that was all PvE, it would only need to have the NPC destruction increased by a factor of 4 to get the same economic balance we have now.
If non-consensual PvP was cut out of high sec, my guess is the impact to the economy would be quite small, and easily made up by more burner type missions, or by adding some randomness to existing missions. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5869
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:17:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:If you're getting ganked undocking in a frigate in Jita, you probably don't need to be attempting burner missions in the first place. Not after the first time... Ah c'mon! Even if you don't have an insta-undock point set (which is pretty silly), there is a moon almost directly in line with the undock to warp to. You have to be almost criminally negligent to lose a frigate on the JIta undock.
As to the rest of your post, I'm sure they'll get around to burner missions for larger ships eventually... although those will likely have a little different dynamic. Frigate combat tends to, shall we say, rely on a different skill set compared to larger vessels. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1407
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:18:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I find it's interesting that a quarter of all value is destroyed by NPCs. Destruction is the driver for the EVE economy, and 25% of that drive comes from the NPCs. If there was a copy of eve that was all PvE, it would only need to have the NPC destruction increased by a factor of 4 to get the same economic balance we have now.
If non-consensual PvP was cut out of high sec, my guess is the impact to the economy would be quite small, and easily made up by more burner type missions, or by adding some randomness to existing missions.
This is EvE Online, a sandbox mmo-rpg, not kindergarten themepark carebear online. The Tears Must Flow |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5869
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:18:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I find it's interesting that a quarter of all value is destroyed by NPCs. Destruction is the driver for the EVE economy, and 25% of that drive comes from the NPCs. If there was a copy of eve that was all PvE, it would only need to have the NPC destruction increased by a factor of 4 to get the same economic balance we have now.
If non-consensual PvP was cut out of high sec, my guess is the impact to the economy would be quite small, and easily made up by more burner type missions, or by adding some randomness to existing missions. Possibly, right up until the population numbers dropped so low that it doesn't matter anymore. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3805
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:27:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Ah c'mon! Even if you don't have an insta-undock point set (which is pretty silly), there is a moon almost directly in line with the undock to warp to. You have to be almost criminally negligent to lose a frigate on the JIta undock. Yes, everyone should have an insta-undock - but a lot don't. I guess we'll chalk those ships up to the Burner gods...
Quote:As to the rest of your post, I'm sure they'll get around to burner missions for larger ships eventually... although those will likely have a little different dynamic. Frigate combat tends to, shall we say, rely on a different skill set compared to larger vessels. Which is somewhat odd since by the time you're farming L4s you're either in a strategic cruiser or battleshipGǪ In any event, 84.7% of players declining these missions speaks volumes. If the numbers were reversed I'd be a bit more encouraged. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Agrippa Arkaral
Vertical Rebirth
13
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Posted - 2014.09.17 20:42:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Samsara Toldya wrote:Shoot a Serpentis Burner to lose standing to Serpentis.
Shoot an ex-Amarrian Burner to lose standing to...? They are neither Amarr nor pirates.
We are going to be removing all standings loss for shooting any Burners in Oceanus. Even the pirate Burners are no longer recognized by their previous employers.
Have you considered adding a faction standing bonus for killing one of the ex-empire employed burners? |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
204
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:00:00 -
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Now, where are the ******* graphs on how many people left wormholes after your ****** patch.... |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2830
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:02:00 -
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the player who died in a BS to a burner NPC should receive a medal eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
162
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:16:00 -
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I enjoyed the Burner Missions a lot, the payout aka ISK/h or better LP/h is good maybe a bit to high. Like you need at average 5min from docking to docking with an average of 9k LP in a 0.5 System per mission. I think i did about 30 of them so far by declining normal missions a lot to get more Burner missions, the loot is quiet nice i got 3 good moduls totaling ~150m extra and lots of pirate ammo.
Anyway my question about the new Burner missions with triple frigs, two of them logistic ones, will neuts working on them or not? As of now NPCs are neut immune so it might be difficult to solo the new Burner missions as you have to break the logis with DPS first or restore to very high alpha to ignore the logis. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5871
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:21:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Now, where are the ******* graphs on how many people left wormholes after your ****** patch.... Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents |
Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
282
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:24:00 -
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Rookie ships are the 3rd most lost frigate in burner missions...now that's funny. |
Ned Black
Driders
81
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:26:00 -
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So... the total loss is 850-900ish billions and the total loot drop is 2-2.5ish billion...
Seems like the risk/reward aspect of burner missions is a tad bit... off... |
Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
282
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:26:00 -
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Nenwe wrote:yawn more frigates... still not interested wasting time with these.
When cruiser burners come around maybe then...
But what i really are waiting for are BS size burners now that would be something (BS size vvessels dishing out over 1000dps with all the EW in game Let the real battle commence and fireworks alone would be sight to see) frigates look like peashooters after that)
(and still when you take into account how hard these things are i just cannot justify the risk/reward on frigate size burners)
Maybe they could add lvl 5 burners with a battleship primary and cruiser & frig escorts? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5871
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:28:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ah c'mon! Even if you don't have an insta-undock point set (which is pretty silly), there is a moon almost directly in line with the undock to warp to. You have to be almost criminally negligent to lose a frigate on the JIta undock. Yes, everyone should have an insta-undock - but a lot don't. I guess we'll chalk those ships up to the Burner gods... Quote:As to the rest of your post, I'm sure they'll get around to burner missions for larger ships eventually... although those will likely have a little different dynamic. Frigate combat tends to, shall we say, rely on a different skill set compared to larger vessels. Which is somewhat odd since by the time you're farming L4s you're either in a strategic cruiser or battleshipGǪ In any event, 84.7% of players declining these missions speaks volumes. If the numbers were reversed I'd be a bit more encouraged. I think everyone knew from the outset that these would have a lot of people that would turn them down... especially at first when everyone is trying to figure out how to succeed with them.
They are far more difficult and personal skill intensive than a run of the mill level 4 farm fest.
Thats' kinda the whole point... not everyone will be capable of doing them (at least at first) and will need to develop the fits and personal skills to do so.
The only thing I'm surprised about is that the acceptance level right off the bat has been so high, as most mission runners tend to be very profit oriented and more than a bit risk adverse. Which is somewhat understandable, it's their bread and butter after all (I suppose). If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Sunrise Aigele
Pemberley Enterprises BadWrongFun
35
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:51:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:They are far more difficult and personal skill intensive than a run of the mill level 4 farm fest.
Thats' kinda the whole point... not everyone will be capable of doing them (at least at first) and will need to develop the fits and personal skills to do so.
This is me. I was all excited to do them. Then they arrived and I saw that I had a lot of training to do. For example, I have been training Science skills so intently that the only T2 frigates I can fly are CovOps. I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will.
Ranger 1 wrote:The only thing I'm surprised about is that the acceptance level right off the bat has been so high, as most mission runners tend to be very profit oriented and more than a bit risk adverse. Which is somewhat understandable, it's their bread and butter after all (I suppose).
You should not be surprised. Not everyone does. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11228
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:56:00 -
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Sunrise Aigele wrote: I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will.
****. Now I'm going to spend all weekend trying to beat a Burner mission with an Anathema. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5873
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:08:00 -
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Sunrise Aigele wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:They are far more difficult and personal skill intensive than a run of the mill level 4 farm fest.
Thats' kinda the whole point... not everyone will be capable of doing them (at least at first) and will need to develop the fits and personal skills to do so. This is me. I was all excited to do them. Then they arrived and I saw that I had a lot of training to do. For example, I have been training Science skills so intently that the only T2 frigates I can fly are CovOps. I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will. Ranger 1 wrote:The only thing I'm surprised about is that the acceptance level right off the bat has been so high, as most mission runners tend to be very profit oriented and more than a bit risk adverse. Which is somewhat understandable, it's their bread and butter after all (I suppose). You should not be surprised. Not everyone does. Fairly spoken, and I did not mean to make that sound like a blanket statement.
A lot of mission runners, well really many players in general, skip over learning how to use the smaller vessels well in their quest to get into larger ships as quickly as possible. It's understandable, larger vessels tend to be more profitable, but it doesn't prepare a player for something like this. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5873
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:09:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Sunrise Aigele wrote: I have seen no successful completions of a burner mission in an Anathema. I don't believe that I ever will. ****. Now I'm going to spend all weekend trying to beat a Burner mission with an Anathema. GO FOZZIE GO. You can DO IT!
And be sure to record it. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
205
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Now, where are the ******* graphs on how many people left wormholes after your ****** patch.... Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show.
I'll be honest here. I'd love to see CCP come out with graphs saying "we dun goofed" and then reverse the changes. But at this point, I'll take any graphs, even if they prove me wrong, because that will at least TELL me that CCP isn't trying to sweep it under the carpet. |
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:13:00 -
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"The most characters involved in any single BurnerGÇÖs destruction is 32, and a total of five Burner were engaged by 29 or more characters before dying."
lol pussies. |
ISquishWorms
250
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:15:00 -
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I am enjoying these missions, thanks for adding more of them with different scenarios. GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11233
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:36:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Now, where are the ******* graphs on how many people left wormholes after your ****** patch.... Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show. I'll be honest here. I'd love to see CCP come out with graphs saying "we dun goofed" and then reverse the changes. But at this point, I'll take any graphs, even if they prove me wrong, because that will at least TELL me that CCP isn't trying to sweep it under the carpet.
Once we're done communicating the Oceanus changes I'm planning to put some of the stats surrounding wormholes into a form fit for public consumption. The sneak peek is: overall changes have been surprisingly small (in both directions). Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Uppsy Daisy
Perkone Caldari State
612
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:40:00 -
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Fozzie, is there a chance you could share any truly triumphant against-all-the-odds burner kills?
Has anyone killed one in a T1 Frigate, for example? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1544
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:21:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Fozzie, is there a chance you could share any truly triumphant against-all-the-odds burner kills?
Has anyone killed one in a T1 Frigate, for example? Unless the figures include OGB's and Logi on grid who never shot at the burner (From the sounds of it they just used the combat logs of the burners, so those with 29+ for example weren't 29 on grid at the same time?) you won't be getting a really accurate representation anyway. |
Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
257
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:51:00 -
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84.7% of level 4 runners skipping them could indeed be the result of training the wrong skill set, given that regular missions suitable for frigates (level 1 & 2) are hardly challenging. Given these burner missions are level 4, it'd be great to see a progression of these sorts of missions so players can start out with something similar at level 2 (less risk, less reward) and progress from there, essentially training players with proper fitting skills and some pvp basics along the way. X |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
205
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Now, where are the ******* graphs on how many people left wormholes after your ****** patch.... Be careful what you wish for, you might not like what they show. I'll be honest here. I'd love to see CCP come out with graphs saying "we dun goofed" and then reverse the changes. But at this point, I'll take any graphs, even if they prove me wrong, because that will at least TELL me that CCP isn't trying to sweep it under the carpet. Once we're done communicating the Oceanus changes I'm planning to put some of the stats surrounding wormholes into a form fit for public consumption. The sneak peek is: overall changes have been surprisingly small (in both directions).
Sweet. Can't wait to eat my words.
And on that note, we need a consumable item "Your Words" with description "Eat them" |
Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
141
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:21:00 -
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Hawks are dying. That's enough to make me happy. I enjoy a good session of mining. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3808
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:24:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:And on that note, we need a consumable item "Your Words" with description "Eat them" Special Edition Fedo? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
MrWalter White
Breaking Bad Corp
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:58:00 -
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i just love the dev blog title that is a quote from captain marcus in the first epi of last resort tv series
was there a loot table regarding what items drop from the burner's burning wreck |
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