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galcommander
Have Some Grapes
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:58:00 -
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A GM suggested i post this idea and I am sure I will get a bunch of you're just whiny comments BUT, here is my idea anyway.
I personally don't and have never played Eve for PvP, it doesn't interest me at all, I think the gate campers ruined my desire for that. SO, my idea is to have a PvE option you can enable to prevent attacking others or being attacked by others ever.
Now I could see how that could be abused, I could annoy a bunch of folks and then just turn it on and laugh. So I think if it was implemented it should be like a remap, maybe if you turn it off and attack someone, you cant turn it back on for 12 months or something.
This option lets people like me, who just want to explore, just explore without getting gate camped...which seems to be something perhaps I have never figured out how to defend against....seems there is nothing but death if you are gate camped. I think this lets folks who want the full Eve experience of piracy, theft and blowing each other up to do their things....while folks like me who want the experience of exploration without the craziness of being attacked left and right by lunatics enjoy our portion of Eve and only need to worry about the CPU based craziness that we CHOOSE to run into. Might also get to see more of Eve than just the lil portion that is semi safe. Could even have areas in Eve that over-ride the PvE so if you fly into it, then you can keep the option on, but you might wanna hold onto your eject button :)
Just a thought. But with my character being so old, and having earned my Eve bruises over the years I think I am entitled to my observation. Given the amount of time and IRL money I have spent on this game, I don't think I want to keep pumping more and more money and time in to earn back stuff that folks take from me just cos I jumped through the wrong gate :)
ok Eve trolls, have at me |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
326
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:05:00 -
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I'm not sure you're playing the correct game... |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
688
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:11:00 -
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,,,,,,, |
Shoogie
Serious Pixels
155
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:23:00 -
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So, I could set this flag on my freighter alt and autopilot all over 0.0 space?
Right. |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
481
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:24:00 -
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If you havent found a way around gate camps when you are meant to be exploring AND you are an old character. Then you just havent been trying hard enough or are just thick...
As a brand new player i fitted up my vexor and spent a couple months in lowsec doing exploration sites....I didnt lose a single exploration ship, despite many people trying.
Nullsec isnt too much harder. You just need more specialised ships.As the post above me stated you can have bubble immunity as a T3 and carry all the mods to refit to do DED sites in your cargo.
This is EVE...Its a PvP game. If you dont like straight up fighting, then your version of PvP is avoiding getting caught.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9809
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:25:00 -
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Go play Star Trek Online, it's what you want anyway.
Don't try and ruin EVE for everyone else just because you're playing it wrong. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Rendiff
Funk Soul Brothers Northern Associates.
82
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:27:00 -
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Shoogie wrote:So, I could set this flag on my freighter alt and autopilot all over 0.0 space?
Right.
This ^ |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2668
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:32:00 -
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Quote:It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . --CCP Soundwave
It's not an empty quote, but just in case. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:41:00 -
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galcommander wrote:Make EvE not EvE because I don't want to play EvE, I want WoW in space. You could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just typed that sentence instead.
I, for one, play this game because I enjoy the fact that whatever I happen to be doing, and I've damn near done it all by now, I'm not completely safe. The fact that there is no cheat mode in EvE is the main draw for me. Yes, a PvP flag is a cheat mode, because if you never turn it on, you risk nothing, and therefore can make isk without any danger of losing any isk.
Yes, you are entitled to your observations. What you are not entitled to is ruining the game for all the rest of us that have learned to play it within the existing rule set, and can even thrive when CCP alters the rules.
Slight aside topic, not necessarily off topic. Has anyone other than me noticed the most recent trend of nerf highsec PvP threads have totally abandoned any attempts to get little nerfs through? I guess after the last rounds where they asked for stronger ships, and got them, the "one more nerf" carebears are now going hardcore for the total ban of PvP in highsec. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Haakaa PaaIIe
The Space Core Reckoning Star Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:36:00 -
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"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2673
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Posted - 2014.09.18 03:09:00 -
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It is becoming clear to me that a lot of people are now playing MMOs who have no idea what "Trammel" is or what it did to Ultima Online. So for those people, let me leave something educational in this thread:
Ultima Online was a PvP-based MMO. You could kill or be killed anywhere - in town, the guards would come for you right quick, but outside of towns no guards would come. The only thing that happened was some infamy, which certain players enjoyed and took pride in. As I understand it, some of the original developers of EVE were in fact quite high in infamy indeed.
Death was harsh - you lost all your stuff when you died/were killed, as I recall. You could get it back, but only if someone else hadn't looted it from your corpse first.
Then one day, for reasons unknown to me, the company behind Ultima Online introduced "Trammel", an alternate universe of sorts where PvP was disabled. They thought that the hardcore players would stay in the normal world while the carebears would go to Trammel and that both places would exist harmoniously and successfully.
It was, in fact, quite literally the death of that game.
So if you think that EVE Online needs to be Trammelized as well ... well, you can kindly go bugger yourself in the arse with a hot fireplace poker, please. Unfortunately for everyone, EVE isn't the game for you and it's time to admit it to yourself. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2674
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Posted - 2014.09.18 03:20:00 -
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Forgive the double-post, but an EVEmail I was waiting for recently came in.
Courtesy of one Lady Aereola Fappington, allow me to regale you with the full version of the quote I used before:
The exact quote is near the end, but it's there. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
485
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Posted - 2014.09.18 04:17:00 -
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I have wondered....do gm's actually say to post this stuff here?
Or Is it just among the other opening lines like
I have an idea don't know if its ever been brought up before.....
PLease excuse my English, its my second language.....then its written better than some native speakers' posts
GM's....what say you? If true is this a clever ploy to avoid giving bad customer service giving an answer they won't like?
Or do you like to give us low hanging fruit for easy pickings?
Or do these people lie to us lol? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6123
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Posted - 2014.09.18 04:38:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:I have wondered....do gm's actually say to post this stuff here?
GM's....what say you? If true is this a clever ploy to avoid giving bad customer service giving an answer they won't like?
Or do you like to give us low hanging fruit for easy pickings?
Or do these people lie to us lol? Can't it be all of the above?
I like to imagine the GMs cackling in their cubicles as they send some poor sod here with an idea they know will go down in flames.
It reminds me of a joke:
An overweight man passes by a gym and sees a sign. It reads "Pay $10, lose 5 lbs!!"
The man is intrigued and goes in. He pays the fee and is asked to enter into a large field. When he enters a rather beautiful athletic woman asks him to strip down. When he does so, she undresses too and says, "Okay... if you can catch me within 30 minutes then you can do anything you want to me." The man's eye glaze over as the woman runs off and he gives chase. After 30 minutes the man has not caught the woman and goes home.
The next day, the man weighs himself. "Sonofabitch... it worked!" So the man goes back to the gym. There is a new sign that reads "Pay $20, lose 15 lbs!!"
The man goes in and pays the fee. When he is lead into the field the man immediately strips down. He hears a noise behind him and turns around... only to be greeted by a big, overly muscled man staring down at him with a smirk and glazed expression. "If I catch YOU within the next 30 minutes... I get to do anything I want to do with YOU," he says.
The man starts running. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
199
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Posted - 2014.09.18 04:41:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:I have wondered....do gm's actually say to post this stuff here?
Or Is it just among the other opening lines like
I have an idea don't know if its ever been brought up before.....
PLease excuse my English, its my second language.....then its written better than some native speakers' posts
GM's....what say you? If true is this a clever ploy to avoid giving bad customer service giving an answer they won't like?
Or do you like to give us low hanging fruit for easy pickings?
Or do these people lie to us lol?
I'm curious myself.
At most a "PvE" option in EvE would be, ship safeties couldn't be set to red only in hi-sec. Characters with a sec status of -5 or lower (so those who can be shot freely by anyone in hi-sec) would then be exempt and allowed to switch their safety.
This would be the absolute closest EvE would get to a "PvE only option" and even that is unlikely. |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
156
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Posted - 2014.09.18 05:32:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Forgive the double-post, but an EVEmail I was waiting for recently came in. Courtesy of one Lady Aereola Fappington, allow me to regale you with the full version of the quote I used before: The exact quote is near the end, but it's there.
Are u intentionally trying to mislead ppl? The article is about the difficult / learning curve when you first enter the game. When he says the "it isn't really hard" its in response to a remark about the game's difficulty. He goes on to say:
Quote: I think we're just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that it's okay to lose. If you don't like sci-fi games, if you don't like spaceships, then this might not be a game for you. But if you really like spaceships and you can't get past the fifth page in the tutorial, then we're losing you for a stupid reason.
I'm confused as to how what you are quoting is even remotely related to the op.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:10:00 -
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galcommander wrote:
ok Eve trolls, have at me
Drop the negative attitude towards the forum, and I bet you'll get a lot further.
To your idea: You're playing the wrong game my friend...
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9810
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:14:00 -
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chaosgrimm wrote: I'm confused as to how what you are quoting is even remotely related to the op.
I'm not confused at all.
If they want to play a single player PvE game, then they don't want to play EVE Online. Their money and time are better spent elsewhere, and they should spare us all the forum whining trying to twist this game to suit them when the reality is that they have chosen poorly.
Someone who does this is the kind of player that is always okay to lose. Because they don't belong here anyway. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:06:00 -
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I would maybe consider this if it were available in only .8 systems and higher and had a cooldown of, say, 6 months or so to prevent flip-flopping / abuse. It might help new player retention. Eventually they would wonder why everyone else is having more fun in the deep end of the pool and go see for themselves, or get bored and quit anyway. But, I'm fairly certain that changes this substantial would be well down the list behind current issues or bugs that may or may not be corrected for quite some time. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13245
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:12:00 -
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OP, you have dozens of other games for what you want, EVE is not one of those games. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Infrequent
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
41
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:13:00 -
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No, no and no. There are MANY reasons why this never will be implemented.
PS. There are ways to avoid PvP, and ways to circumvent it while still getting access to space/whatever it is you're trying to get at. Use your imagination and you'll find Eve will reward you for it. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1894
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:19:00 -
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EVE is a PvP MMO.
Try another game. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
335
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:05:00 -
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galcommander wrote:A GM suggested i post this idea and I am sure I will get a bunch of you're just whiny comments BUT, here is my idea anyway.
I personally don't and have never played Eve for PvP, it doesn't interest me at all, I think the gate campers ruined my desire for that. SO, my idea is to have a PvE option you can enable to prevent attacking others or being attacked by others ever.
Now I could see how that could be abused, I could annoy a bunch of folks and then just turn it on and laugh. So I think if it was implemented it should be like a remap, maybe if you turn it off and attack someone, you cant turn it back on for 12 months or something.
This option lets people like me, who just want to explore, just explore without getting gate camped...which seems to be something perhaps I have never figured out how to defend against....seems there is nothing but death if you are gate camped. I think this lets folks who want the full Eve experience of piracy, theft and blowing each other up to do their things....while folks like me who want the experience of exploration without the craziness of being attacked left and right by lunatics enjoy our portion of Eve and only need to worry about the CPU based craziness that we CHOOSE to run into. Might also get to see more of Eve than just the lil portion that is semi safe. Could even have areas in Eve that over-ride the PvE so if you fly into it, then you can keep the option on, but you might wanna hold onto your eject button :)
Just a thought. But with my character being so old, and having earned my Eve bruises over the years I think I am entitled to my observation. Given the amount of time and IRL money I have spent on this game, I don't think I want to keep pumping more and more money and time in to earn back stuff that folks take from me just cos I jumped through the wrong gate :)
ok Eve trolls, have at me
I see this as a great asset - for coalitions. Malcanis' law proves yet again to be true. Even if we go with the obvious chasms that you have missed: POCO bashing counts as aggression, cyno generation counts as aggression, bridging counts as aggression, repairing counts as aggression and war targets count as aggression.
You could make a 15 min hero and move [insert gender] to a spot you want watched, and you don't even need to stump for a cloak.
If you make this, for some reason work even when the corporation or alliance you are in goes to war then larger entities can still ship with impunity and it encourages them to move their alts out of NPC corps and into holder alliances so that they don't have to pay sink taxes and can instead pay faucet taxes to their mother alliance. Because if you don't make it a mom note to the war PE teacher then there is no point to the entire thing because you might as well just make it that NPC corp members are invulnerable and then watch as everyone moves non-combatants into the NPC corps. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
410
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:16:00 -
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Why did you install "Everyone Versus Everyone", when you disagree with its basic and fundamental premise ?
Oh, and that means 'No' to any PvP Off-switch. Join the BIG Lottery (see Bio ingame), oldest and only non-profit Lottery in EVE, every second Monday. Wire ISK to BIG GAMES for tickets ! Join the Channel, have fun, being a lucky winner is optional ,)
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid Overload Everything
608
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:16:00 -
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Invulnerable scouts, cyno alts and supply chains are more than enough reason to say no to this and I am sure there are many, many more. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
156
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:23:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:chaosgrimm wrote: I'm confused as to how what you are quoting is even remotely related to the op.
I'm not confused at all. If they want to play a single player PvE game, then they don't want to play EVE Online. Their money and time are better spent elsewhere, and they should spare us all the forum whining trying to twist this game to suit them when the reality is that they have chosen poorly. Someone who does this is the kind of player that is always okay to lose. Because they don't belong here anyway. Only that's not the context of the quote, in the next papragrah he clarified what he mean saying that the customers that were good to loose were customers who didn't like sci-fi games or spaceships. Customers that were bad to loose where ppl who got frustrated by the initial learning curve.
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Iain Cariaba
335
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:18:00 -
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Nico Laitanen wrote:I would maybe consider this if it were available in only .8 systems and higher and had a cooldown of, say, 6 months or so to prevent flip-flopping / abuse. It might help new player retention. Eventually they would wonder why everyone else is having more fun in the deep end of the pool and go see for themselves, or get bored and quit anyway. But, I'm fairly certain that changes this substantial would be well down the list behind current issues or bugs that may or may not be corrected for quite some time. Why is this a bad idea? You ever heard the phrase 'mission creep'? Well EvE has nerf creep. Conisider the following:
Carebears whined Concord wasn't strong enough, so CCP made Concord stronger. Carebears whined Concord didn't respond fast enough, so CCP reduced Concord response times. Carebears whined mining barges and exhumers were too easy to gank, so CCP made them harder to gank. Carebears whined freighters were too easy to gank, so CCP made them harder to gank.
Notice a pattern yet? Note, these are only the nerfs to ganking. If CCP installs a no-PvP zone anywhere in EvE, how long do you think it'll take before the carebears start whining to have that zone expanded until all of EvE is no-PvP? I'll give you a hint. The very same day the above nerfs to ganking came out, carebears started crying for the next round of nerfs.
It's time CCP stopped giving into the highsec carebear and their attempts to destroy all that is EvE. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
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