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Andy Landen
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
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Posted - 2014.09.21 14:13:00 -
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Currently the Remote ECM Burst is infrequently used, limited to supercarriers, and serves a very limited role. Anti-cloaky ship tactics are also very limited and infrequently used. Given these limitations, the Remote ECM Burst seems like the perfect candidate for a system decloak role.
Remote ECM Burst 3000s between. 20s duration. 150km optimal. 20 km range of effect from target. Emits an area-of-effect electronic burst, centered on the designated target, which has a chance to momentarily disrupt the target locks of any ship within range, including ships normally immune to all forms of electronic warfare.
Note: Only Supercarriers can fit modules of this type. Only one module of this type can be fit per Supercarrier.
The anti-cloak feature would add a decloak effect across the entire system. The nature and strength of the ECM burst inteferes with cloaking technology and decloaks all ships within 16 AU of the burst. Smaller ECM bursts would be unable to interfere significantly with the cloaking system.
A supercarrier would have to be in system and be able to target something for this effect to be projected. A cloaky ship could simply re-cloak after the 20s duration, during which time he could keep his ship in warp between safe spots. The supercarrier would be limited in cycling the Remote ECM Burst to once every 5 minutes. Cloaky ships could avoid this effect by simply moving to a different system or, if the system is sufficiently large, moving beyond 16 AU of the supercarrier. "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein-á |
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
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Posted - 2014.09.21 14:19:00 -
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Oh look, another "AFK Cloaking" thread.. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1901
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Posted - 2014.09.21 14:33:00 -
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if you cant see cloakies in local in the first place. sure. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
586
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Posted - 2014.09.21 14:57:00 -
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Nope. For all reasons as before.
Maybe the module decloaks all ships within 20 km of target, I'd be ok with that but no system wide bullshit.
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Aivlis Eldelbar
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
19
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Posted - 2014.09.21 15:49:00 -
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You know, if you limited the decloak to an area around the burst, even if quite large, I'd almost be ok with it.
But no, because this is a stealthy nerf-afk-cloaking thread, and it has been decloaked without the need of any changes in the game. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2698
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Posted - 2014.09.21 17:12:00 -
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Absolutely not posting in yet another anti-cloaking thread. Oh no, not this one.
This isn't even an old idea, either. |
Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
300
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Posted - 2014.09.21 17:19:00 -
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But...how else is he supposed to rat in his super in peace? Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
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Posted - 2014.09.21 17:21:00 -
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Sure, then you probe the "AFK" cloaker down and engage, thinking that they're actually AFK until, suddenly, spaceships. because the person you thought was AFK, was only pretending to be AFK, baiting you with the module you suggested, that CCP implemented. GöÇGòó The Explorer I GöÇGòó The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5047
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Posted - 2014.09.21 17:43:00 -
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Paikis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following: - "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"
2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.
3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.
4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)
5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.
6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.
7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!
8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.
We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.
Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4374522#post4374522
and also, the out of context yet conveniently appropriate
CCP WhiteNoiseTrash wrote:**** off.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1289
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Posted - 2014.09.21 18:56:00 -
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And again: what in the actual **** is this horse****ery?
How are they interacting with you while AFK?
They're not.
Can they do anything other than fly around while cloaked?
No (unless they decloak long enough to drop probes at which point you know they are not AFK)
Put bluntly. ****Ing deal with it. You are not meant to be safe 100% of the time, so quit looking for ways to break a balanced mechanic. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1289
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Posted - 2014.09.21 18:58:00 -
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Also, if that is too hard for you to comprehend, feel free to give me your stuff, biomass and go find something more your speed to do. I hear crossword puzzles are relaxing.
We can lock this thread now. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.09.21 19:07:00 -
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Reported for redundancy.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.09.21 19:48:00 -
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Quote:17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. Please use the "Search forums" function at the top right of the EVE forums. You will find plenty of cloaking threads that you can contribute to. As a result, I will lock this one for redundancy.
Thanks for your cooperation. ISD Decoy Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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