Good corporations have 15 mil sp minimum req. That is almost a year of training.

They have such a small effect on SP though (someone's gonna say "no they don't because there!" but yes, they do have a pretty small effect and it could benefit from being more pronounced).

EDIT: Predator, I should clarify. When I said alts, I mean things like Industry, JF, and different PVP focused alts with a lot of SP, not disposable cyno alts etc. It lets CCP sell "multiple character training!" that you see advertised often on the login screen.

Remaps and implants will cut around 1 month per year? This is almost nothing compared to time. Not to mention having implants discourages ppl from going to null.

It's 10 years of this system - it doesn't look like it made ppl play EvE other than hardcore space fans that have not much choice.

Also hi I just trained a new carrier skill to level 5 in 40 days.

Good corps have no skill requirements at all because even a day old pilot can make a difference in pvp.

Good corps pick good people. People with the right attitude who can listen and be counted on and then train them.

Cool but how long did it take you to train all of the required support skills? Also - +4 implants are restricted to players with high income (and SP! The require Sp to use). The original post was about retaining newbros.

Cool but how long did it take you to train all of the required support skills? Also - +4 implants are restricted to players with high income (and SP! The require Sp to use). The original post was about retaining newbros.

Also the "good corps pick good players regardless of SP" argument does not apply to industry corps, only PVP.

The original post was about retaining newbros.

It's 10 years of this system - it doesn't look like it made ppl play EvE other than hardcore space fans that have not much choice.

While speeding up SP gain seems ham-fisted (at best) there is probably something to be said for reducing the amount of time wasted on low level support skills.

Yes it is nice we all have stuff to waste time on years into the future but the amount of time wasted on random **** when you start out is a clear barrier to people enjoying this game. Being of use on Day 1 scarcely seems relevant when you're still basically confined to frigates/begging FCs to let you use your T1-fit Cruiser on Day 90.

Did you ever hear the story of how a sov-holding alliance collapsed because of the actions of a 3 day old newbee?

The funniest thing about these SP speed boost threads, is they never realise that how hilarious it would be to be a suicide ganker.

10 mil SP a month I could have a near perfect ganking alt, complete with Catty Thorax and Talos.


If that happened, God save the Charon.

that and well at 5 years and change in....I find myself wishing I could fly the small ships more. The very ships they seem to hate and want to rush out of. The green grass of the big ships not so green really, to me anyway.

Now the combat char kind of an expensive clone wise to throw away in fun suicide throwaway frigs. TBH...I have the 6 months free time from the collectors edition I am eyeing to relive cheap throwaway days.

Where after I clean out some pvp cobwebs I know I have I will go with what I always say....it can help more to know how to play the game really than sp amount to some degree. I have friends whose cyno alts with some shooty skills are quite deadly at low sp. It be the years of experience they have that makes them deadly if underestimated due to low sp.

Did you ever hear the story of the 67924th new player who got bored and ****** off after his trial expired?

I've never yet flown anything larger than the myrm, smaller ships are by far the most fun in my experience to the point that I have absolutely no desire to fly a BS. Unless they ever redisgn the visuals of the domi and turn it into some vicious looking brute. Currently I'm having the most fun flying DED 4/10's in a gila which any character can fly after probably a few weeks training. But wait...then they would demand more isk for free too...

There actually is a re-design of the Dominix coming. We saw it at FanFest and now we're waiting for Team TriLambda to finish it and put it on SiSi.

MMO is dying. MOBA where You don't wait for action, skills, etc is getting all the players.

Why it would be a bad idea to speed up sp gain so after 3 months You have 30mil sp?

Less alts. Maybe more alts. Maybe more new players that wouldn't feel bored.

Would it be better for economy? Ppl buying more expensive ships that they can fly.

Most of my friends that abandoned eve said it was too slow to gain sp. They were bored.

Eve is boring when You have no skills to fly ships or You went for some profession that is boring and then realized it shut Your door to doing something more fun and You need to start over.

Good corporations have 15 mil sp minimum req. That is almost a year of training.

With subs problems maybe it is a good idea to make it happen.

You are still limited by isk. And why not ppl play instead of wait.

New players sitting in dreads? Fighting with nullsec aliances? Not possible at this moment. Eaven if new player gets into dread only - it will take him months. What about other ships durning that time?

Times change. EvE should change too to try to grow.

Do You know of any other game that needs years to get skills?

Eaven to complete tutorial You need to wait hours for skills - this is not a good first impression.

MMO is dying. MOBA where You don't wait for action, skills, etc is getting all the players.

blurb...

Most of my friends that abandoned eve said it was too slow to gain sp. They were bored.

Eve is boring when You have no skills to fly ships or You went for some profession that is boring and then realized it shut Your door to doing something more fun and You need to start over.

Good corporations have 15 mil sp minimum req. That is almost a year of training.

blurb...

You are still limited by isk. And why not ppl play instead of wait.

New players sitting in dreads? Fighting with nullsec aliances? Not possible at this moment. Eaven if new player gets into dread only - it will take him months. What about other ships durning that time?

blurb...

Do You know of any other game that needs years to get skills?

Eaven to complete tutorial You need to wait hours for skills - this is not a good first impression.

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As for learning to play - I hardly think You need 3 years to learn - this is when you will get access to all t2 frigs, cruisers, dessies and battleships with all support skills you need.

Skill points just block ppl from having fun - it should not be about what You can use - it should be about how You use it, what You can afford. If You block content you block ppl from having fun.

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I disagree completely, firstly why do you need to be able to fly every single sub-cap as tech II? If that is your guage of being able to have fun in the game then you are going to be disappointed.

Why not. It opens options to fly doctrine with many groups in the game - this opens content.

If a group is going to make combined ops with another group and they decide to go in amarr battleships doctrine. You can fly caldari battleships. This closes Your participation unless You want to go in frig that will do nothing in large scale battle.

Why if I train 1 battleship or cruiser I need to train 3 other just to have option of having fun?

Lets say You want to change corp/aliance - You need to adapt new doctrines.

Torn on this but overall I say no to the OP's idea.

One of the big attractions to every single person I know that plays EVE is the balance the skills training system brings to all players/characters. A casual player that spends 4 or 5 hours a week in EVE will be at the same place skill points wise after 1 year as a player that spends 3-4 hours a day.

Did you ever hear the story of the 67924th new player who got bored and ****** off after his trial expired?

But new players can't afford toons.

I don't need it - i have enough sp on my 2 toons after over a year in the game.

But new players can't afford toons.

I don't need it - i have enough sp on my 2 toons after over a year in the game.

But new players can't afford toons.

[quote=Donnachadh]Torn on this but overall I say no to the OP's idea.

One of the big attractions to every single person I know that plays EVE is the balance the skills training system brings to all players/characters. A casual player that spends 4 or 5 hours a week in EVE will be at the same place skill points wise after 1 year as a player that spends 3-4 hours a day.

And speed up wouldn't change that as it would work for all?

30m SP in 3 months. That's 10m per month, or 13850 per hour.

With +3 implants and a perfect remap, the maximum you can get right now is 2520 per hour.

You're asking for a 5.5 times multiplier on skill training speed. Rank 1 skills would take approximately 90 seconds to train level 1. Rank V Titan skills, a 16x multiplier (highest in the game) would take approximately 10 days with +3s and an ideal remap.

There are currently 444,928,000 possible skillpoints in the game (fun fact: 28% of those are in Spaceship Command). With a full set of +5s and a perfect remap at all times, you top out at 2700 SP per hour. That means there's a minimum of 164,788 hours of training in EVE, or about 19 years.

You want to reduce that to only ~3.3 years.

My character currently has 50m SP (ya, I know, she's like 5 years old, I took a lot of breaks). With your proposal, I'd have 275m SP, which would have taken me approximately 14 years at my average training speed thus far.

Basically, the current SP system means that CCP has, at minimum, about 8 more years before anyone could possibly run out of things to train in EVE. With your proposal, those same from-day-one players could currently have all three characters on an account trained 100%, if they pushed.

Basically, no. If you want instant gratification, go play a game designed to cater to that, like the MOBAs you cited. Even they don't really cater to it (League, for example, has its own leveling and gating system). In fact, MMOs as a business are designed around not granting instant gratification. Delayed gratification is how they maintain subscriptions.

No. -1e9000

New players get the training boost for their start, which is substantial.

Although i wouldnt mind the 800k base sp returned to caracter creation.

Which reminds me how 'upset' I was when I just trained up to 100k and all new characters would be 8 times ahead of me in time.

And to the OP noes and my bitter vet answer.

By the way I just turned eigth last week, do I even count as bitter veteran?

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