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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:20:00 -
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Hi there, this is a update on what is going on with UEMA.
First IÆll like to say that a Vote of confidence was called a little over a week ago, and it passed, 3 times, we did it 3 times because EMFI, and EIB wasnÆt happy with the votes, they didnÆt add up to them. I to think they donÆt add up ether as thatÆs why I did the revote.
The voting system is bugged but you can see and use a little logic with each vote, there wasnÆt enough % voting not to make it known that people wasnÆt for it. It the vote was over 3% or even 2.5% I might have stayed with EIB. But doing a little month and using some logic it looks like a lot of my investors wants me to brake out on my own with out the ôsupportö of EIB.
I fell as I did for a few weeks now that UEMA isnÆt what I fell it should be at this level in the IPO, I wanted the first dividend payout to be around the 30k mark, but it wasnÆt it was + that. I didnÆt like paying out that low of a dividend, but with the limits of EIB has placed on UEMA I could not help it.
I fell that it is time to brake out of EIB hands and starting to earn my investors the isk they should be earning at this step in the IPO.
ItÆs been over a week now from when the 3rd and last vote was past to leave EIB, and from that time EIB hasnÆt return anything as of yet. I keep getting a ôjust wait a little longerö.
Right now itÆs been over 2 days from any e-mails has been returned, and over a week from when I should have had the UEMA isk, and the UEMA shares remaining. I donÆt have ether.
At this time I really do not know what to do, from the 2nd week after the IPO ended, and Cally went missing, I had very little to no access to the UEMA isk that was stored in EIB. This is the main reason that I called this vote.
I believe that EIB is not in a full working state, and is running off the know how of the employee. Most of the EIB isk from what I understand is it stored on the Cally account, and with Cally missing, most of EIB is unable to do what he should be doing. I fell if 10% of everyone who had isk in EIB tried to take there isk out, only + of them people would really be able to get it out, if they have a large amount of isk in there EIB account.
From this I fell that EIB is still able to do small amounts of business as most of the business is from the personal accounts, and they should be able to handle them easy with the float the were given.
As a corporation with a large amount of isk, and as someone trying to run a POC (public own corp) I depend on the isk from the IPO to make my investors isk and at this time I have zero access to it, IÆm see no sign of getting it.
I would like your help in getting this isk, I would like to call on everyone who has a EIB account to withdraw there isk until this UEMA gets full control over the isk and shares that UEMA should of got control of more than a week go.
What will this do, it will force action if EIB wants to say in good terms with EVE and not be called a scam, as there is so much talk about EIB being a scam.
I will like to see the investors of UEMA to withdraw all your isk from EIB if you have any as keeping the UEMA in EIB is making you get a lot less dividend payout, and if you want more than just 16k isk a month in dividend then I would need your help also.
Spam EIB employees with messages telling them to take active to return UEMA what should be returned. Spam EIB support e-mail address over and over asking for them to return the shares and isk to UEMA.
Longer EIB has control over UEMA the less the dividend payments will be, as far as I can see, with out the isk in the EIB account UEMA will only be able to a payout of MAX 16 to 20k per share. There is no way to do any more than that.
Help me, by withdrawing your isk from EIB, by sending them eve-mails, and e-mails over and over again asking for UEMA to be sent the isk and shares as stated in the EIB/UEMA contract.
IÆm leaving with that said, as there isnÆt anything else to say.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:31:00 -
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Just a note, by asking for you to withdraw your isk from EIB, if enought people do so, will force Cally to Loged or, or to be called a scammer.
My goal in asking everyone to withdraw all there isk, isnt to call EIB a scam but to force the logon of Cally to not only send more isk to EIB, but to return full ownership to UEMA.
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EMFi Manager
EvE Mutual Fund Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:47:00 -
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First of all, congratulations on the tone of your post, much better then before.
Secondly, I truly wish you would hire someone to write up your official announcements, your post hurts my eyes and I think you owe me 5mil isk for my pain.
Thirdly, not all is lost... *if* Cally hands over control of UEMA, Cally has said you are netting 4% interest/month over all funds that EIB holds of UEMA. This 4% will of course be converted to dividends and you can pay a fat dividend at the end of this scandal.
Fourthly (is that a word?) I feel for your situation and I beleive you have done what you can to conduct a "fair vote" and personally I will support you 'stepping out' as I promissed I would before the 3rd vote was called. However I totally disagree with any conclusions you are trying to make based on any of the 3 votes. I still beleive that each vote was broken and their results are meaningless, so I would prefer you stepped of your high horse there. The (general) voting system is broken severely and any results are bogus.
I haven't had a contact from Cally in the last few days either, so the audit is on a severe hold. I did however see a news article about some traffic accident happening in Cally's home town. With all the bad luck he is having it wouldn't surprise me at all, if... Well lets hope for the best and see this scandal over once and for all.
Personally Mung, you are hurting yourself more then anyone else with your style of handling these issues and your communication and I really wish you would get help for these affairs (and follow up on any advice they give you).
I wish you strength in these uncertain times,
-- EMFi
Alt of Naphtalia
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Lisa Payne
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Posted - 2006.08.09 12:38:00 -
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You do realize that asking ppl to use eve-mail to spam someone else is against the EULA ?
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Crazy Bugger
Eve Intergalactic Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.09 12:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Mung Lore
Spam EIB employees with messages telling them to take active to return UEMA what should be returned. Spam EIB support e-mail address over and over asking for them to return the shares and isk to UEMA.
Help me, by withdrawing your isk from EIB, by sending them eve-mails, and e-mails over and over again asking for UEMA to be sent the isk and shares as stated in the EIB/UEMA contract.
As an EIB employee myself, there is nothing I can do in this situation. I spoke to you a few hours before you wrote this post Mung as you are aware. I directly explained that employee's were unable to facilitate your requests. 'Spamming' us, as above is against the EULA, and will do nothing more than agitate us. You won't get anywhere. As said in-game, I understand your frustration, but there is a right way, and a wrong way of doing things.
I won't get into this again, but if you, or anyone else feel's the need to spam me as a result of this post, I assure you a petition will be filed faster than you can imagine, and I will refuse to service your needs again for as long as I am a bank teller.
Mung, as one of those 'employees' you have told people to scam, you may have forgotten that I paid 350 million isk to you out of my personal wallet initially as you were in dire need of it at the beginning of this issue. You are attempting to attack those who have gone out of their way to assist you, and from here on in I refuse to do so again.
E-I-B Bank Teller
Insured Research and Production Services
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Astarrel Osteth
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:08:00 -
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"I did however see a news article about some traffic accident happening in Cally's home town."
Awsome, now he can even fake his own death! Clever! |
solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:20:00 -
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i may be wrong but iirc didnt cally post somewhere that the uema shares would be transfered to a nuetral third party? and cally does seem to make things awkward for people to contact him/her when it suits.
the emfi audit may as well now be declared invalid anyway due to cally's continuous Reggie Perrin act's and constant stream of excuses.
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Ferrosa
Gallente
Lyonesse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ferrosa on 09/08/2006 14:16:08
Originally by: Astarrel
How about...
- Alien abduction
- Deportation
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- He gets amnesia...
Damn IÆm actually running out of ideas.
Stop ... stop ... my eyes ... I can't laugh any more     
You had me crying for several minutes there, God bless ya
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Crazy Bugger
Eve Intergalactic Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.09 14:56:00 -
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Astarrel have any of the above mentioned things stopped you from being able to handle your bank account? Have any of them resulted in a loss on your end? If not, then your post is nothing more than a troll.
The only person affected here is Mung. If anyone else feels that they have somehow been scammed or wrongly done by please drop me an evemail and I will try and fix it up.
Plus half of the things you said have happened, have not. But great way to blow things out of proportion.
E-I-B Bank Teller
Insured Research and Production Services
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Currin Trading
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: EMFi Manager
I haven't had a contact from Cally in the last few days either, so the audit is on a severe hold. I did however see a news article about some traffic accident happening in Cally's home town. With all the bad luck he is having it wouldn't surprise me at all, if... Well lets hope for the best and see this scandal over once and for all.
Care to reveal the name of "Cally's home town"?
You won't, of course. Your excuse will be that it is a small town and by giving the name, it would jeopardize Cally's safety (more than the apartment break-ins, car crashes, and disasters to come).
On the other hand, if "Cally's home town" is a small town, what are you doing randomly looking through the local papers of this small town? Did your audit of Cally lead you to romanticize this fine (unnamed) place?
Furthermore, when a newspaper writes about a car crash, they list the names of the people who were injured. But in your "audit update", you explained that Cally had given you his real life contact info. So if you really did randomly flip through some obscure local newspaper and read about this car crash, you would be able to see his name listed in it, or not.
Could you clarify this latest update in the exciting Cally Not A Scammer, Honest! saga? |
Shassandra
Gallente
The New Order.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:10:00 -
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Well, I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Denmark, unless it's an accident resulting in deaths, it just gets written "man hit by truck". No names. Why? To keep privacy for people.
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Naphtalia
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:23:00 -
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Meh, I will entertain you with an answer because your post made me smile :)
Care to reveal the name of "Cally's home town"?
Well the article was actualy about a town close to where he lives, not his actual village.
Your excuse will be that it is a small town and by giving the name, it would jeopardize Cally's safety (more than the apartment break-ins, car crashes, and disasters to come).
Nah, it isn't that small so would be perfectly save.
On the other hand, if "Cally's home town" is a small town, what are you doing randomly looking through the local papers of this small town? Did your audit of Cally lead you to romanticize this fine (unnamed) place?
Actually it appeared on Google Homepage this morning through one of the RSS feeds, it was a 'funny' accident and I recognized the name so I remembered. I am not sure what you mean with the 'romanticize' remark.
Furthermore, when a newspaper writes about a car crash, they list the names of the people who were injured. But in your "audit update", you explained that Cally had given you his real life contact info. So if you really did randomly flip through some obscure local newspaper and read about this car crash, you would be able to see his name listed in it, or not.
There were no names listed. But if you say there are always names listed, it must be true becuase Currin Says so! About 8 people were injured for "various cuts and bruises" and admitted to the hospital.
Could you clarify this latest update in the exciting Cally Not A Scammer, Honest! saga?
I don't remember myself posting the first prequel of this Saga you mention. However since you say I have done so, it must be fact.
Damn, busted...
Naphtalia romantizices the small home village of Cally and flips through local newpapers where always all the names of people in accidents are listed. Naphtalia either lied about knowing Callys name, or lied about Callys name being listed in the article.
Furthermore Naphtalia always writes stories that try to prove Cally is NOT a scammer, you MUST have read eposide 1-5, they have been posted!!! Currin says so. The post from EMFI in this thread isn't a listing of facts, but a hiding of facts and trying to clear a scammers name. Naphtalia is the devil.. Currin says so.
I feel so ashamed now...
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Currin Trading
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Actually it appeared on Google Homepage this morning through one of the RSS feeds, it was a 'funny' accident and I recognized the name so I remembered.
Could you provide a link please, so we can all enjoy learning about the funny car crash? |
Shassandra
Gallente
The New Order.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:37:00 -
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Currin? You must really have a stick far up the wrong hole for you to continue this insane barrage of attacks against Cally. A barrage you continue even though you've disgraced yourself in the eyes of, I would think, most people who take an interest in the boards.
Let it lie, let it die. Unless you have a personal interest in this, as in you can suffer if Cally turns out to be a scammer and EIB a scam, then why continue these fruitless attempts at something a lot of people have started ignoring you for?
I can only summarize, you're pathetic. Show me what you! have to lose in Cally, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If that doesn't happen I'll send a petition for harrasment on Cally's behalf since he can't be here to personally defend his own honor. Ohh wait, last time he did that you continued your barrage with an unchanged mind. God you're obsessed.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:41:00 -
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Somehow, the second I saw Mung's post, I knew Currin would only be a few hours behind it. I won't bother with him, he has gone so far it's just not worth my time to bother with such a sad creature.
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Naphtalia
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Naphtalia on 09/08/2006 16:47:53
Originally by: Currin Trading
Originally by: Naphtalia
Actually it appeared on Google Homepage this morning through one of the RSS feeds, it was a 'funny' accident and I recognized the name so I remembered.
Could you provide a link please, so we can all enjoy learning about the funny car crash?
Don't really get your point... however here it is:
http://www.nieuws.nl/266858/Dak_van_dubbeldekker_gereten__vijf_gewonden
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Shassandra
Gallente
The New Order.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:54:00 -
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Actually that is quite funny. Really a whoops.
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:07:00 -
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For the rest of us that cant read :p
Roof of dubbeldekker rended: five gewonden
(Novum/AP) - five people its Sunday in the North east of United Kingdom wounded touched, the roof of a dubbeldekker was then rended then the bus a track bridge touched. That the police force roof has communicated of dubbeldekker rended: five gewondenHet roof arrived flat for a police force car, which drove behind the bus. The gewonden, passengers of the bus, incurred snijwonden. The ongeluk happened in Middlesbrough.
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Currin Trading
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia
Don't really get your point... however here it is:
http://www.nieuws.nl/266858/Dak_van_dubbeldekker_gereten__vijf_gewonden
Thank you, that is a relief. Your original post sounded like a more serious incident, related to Cally. I'm sure no one here wants to read about more drama, just the audit.
I'm sure Cally will be back soon so your audit can finally be complete. I look forward to reading it. |
Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:31:00 -
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Mung, I appreciate your concern about the lack of response/action. However, please don't burn any bridges with EIB.
This signature is a tribute to the greatest signature of all time.
It's not the greatest signature ever, it's just a... Tribute!! |
Caroglac
Amarr
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:12:00 -
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I feel for your investers Mung Lore... realy I do...
but not for the reasons you might think
it took what FIVE hours for currin to show up on this thread? your loosing your touch .
anyway
if this thread by mung lore has hurt your confidence in EIBI and you happen to own shares in the company
I will be happy to buy shares from you at 16m per share... or you can partake in Cally's own share buy back offer of 15m per share.
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.09 21:39:00 -
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Wow. Just f'ing wow. So many places to start....
First, it's pretty clear that Mung & UEMA investors have been screwed becaused of the EIB problems. I think Mung is pretty fed up at this point, and some ranting on his part can be forgiven.
Now, THREE VOTES and EIB & EMFI still contest the results? I think at this point there could be 100 votes and the shares won't be returned. The voting mechanism might be bugged, but at some point you're going to have to accept that UEMA doen't want anything to do with EIB anymore. Also, it appears that it's in UEMA's best interest to cut ties with EIB.
Anyone associated with Cally has been infected with his "under siege" mentality. You can see the hostility creeping into Crazy Bugger & EMFI Manager/Naph when these topics come up.
Naph, you've gotten a little too close to this one. I think it's time to step back some. You say the audit's on hold because of lack of contact from Cally? Sometimes lack of an answer is the only answer you'll get.
If you can't complete the audit, say so, and release what you have. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the delays erodes your claims of being impartial. Set deadlines and if no info is turned over, so be it.
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Kitty O'Shay
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.09 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shassandra
Currin? You must really have a stick far up the wrong hole for you to continue this insane barrage of attacks against Cally. ... God you're obsessed.
He does it beacuse he get responses like this.
At this point Currin could make a post containing nothing but a "?" and have 3-5 people jump in screaming "God you're obsessed."
The pavlovian reaction to Currin in a tread is quite teh funneh these days.
It's also nice to know that Cally has a volunteer army of petition filers wating to pounce on the next Currin post.
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Crazy Bugger
Eve Intergalactic Bank
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Posted - 2006.08.10 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
Anyone associated with Cally has been infected with his "under siege" mentality. You can see the hostility creeping into Crazy Bugger & EMFI Manager/Naph when these topics come up
The only hostility I have made towards Mung was in regards to him advising people to spam the employee's. I showed empathy to his situation, as I understand how frustrating it must be. But I don't like going out of my way to help someone, and then being stabbed in the back the second that I cannot assist any more.
On the bright side, Cally has all UEMA funds in a bank account of sorts for the meantime so the dividend will actually be much higher than it normally would be if the cash/shares were sitting idle. So this won't hurt investors in UEMA in the long term. It will actually add value to the corp and the investment.
E-I-B Bank Teller
Insured Research and Production Services
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.10 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mung Lore on 10/08/2006 02:11:17
right now, I really dont care were the isk is, becouse it isnt making the investors high enought dividends wow ok its making 4% ok NOT ENOUGHT 4% of whats in there is like 100mil or 200mil or 400mil still what if I turn wahts in there into making the investors 20 to 40%. well I can. its easy. but I can't becouse EIB has control over it.
SPAM away guys withdraw your isk, force them to make cally log on to stay in business.
At this point I am calling EIB a scam until I can get full control over UEMA. They did and are doing everything that someone who would scam would do..
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Salazar N'terre
Caldari
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.10 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mung Lore
Edited by: Mung Lore on 10/08/2006 02:11:17
right now, I really dont care were the isk is, becouse it isnt making the investors high enought dividends wow ok its making 4% ok NOT ENOUGHT 4% of whats in there is like 100mil or 200mil or 400mil still what if I turn wahts in there into making the investors 20 to 40%. well I can. its easy. but I can't becouse EIB has control over it.
SPAM away guys withdraw your isk, force them to make cally log on to stay in business.
At this point I am calling EIB a scam until I can get full control over UEMA. They did and are doing everything that someone who would scam would do..
I would have thought someone who runs a public corp would have a cooler head. What ever happened to your backup plan in case the funds never came? spamming the employees wont resolve anything but making a bad situation worse. Imagine yourself as an employee doing your best to meet the needs of your customers without your bank manager around.
If crazy bugger offered to lend a helping hand, something rare in eve. I wouldnt go about stabbing that person in the back afterwards. Mung I think you have lost any hope of market support by the very people you wish to alienate.
May I suggest to read the sigs for inspiration!
"People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
"Laugh and EVE laughs with you. Cry and EVE laughs louder."
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.10 03:29:00 -
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backup plain is still there, but I fell I dont have to use it, I can force EIB to give the shares and isk back. The contracted is stated should I full control right now and I dont. I have them over a week and 1/2 to send the shares and isk and nothing
I am also placing a freaze on all UEMA shares, I ask no one to buy them, and EGSEX will freaze all trading of UEMA stock until EIB shares all shares they control to UEMA, (through EMFI).
I'm plaing a freze becouse I really have nothing but someone telling be cally has the shares. nothing else. I really do not have proff that cally still has them so until I do this freaze will stay in place.
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Treelox
Amarr
Storm Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:16:00 -
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From the EGSE Chat Channel:
Quote:
[2006.08.10 03:59:58 ] Mung Lore > I'm not riping off nothing, I'm not after killing nothing, only thing I'm after is to get full control back
[ 2006.08.10 04:00:09 ] Mung Lore > and if I have kill EIB to do it I will
Just so intentions are known.
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Mung Lore
United Eve Mining Association
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:27:00 -
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yes I said that but posting in game char logs, even its its only 2 lines, is lame m8, should just lame. and might want to post your question to that.
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Treelox
Amarr
Storm Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mung Lore
is lame m8, should just lame. and might want to post your question to that.
huh??
understood the first part, just not the part i quoted? want to take a swing at editing that so i can figure out what you meant?
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