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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:05:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Planned new feature to address new player movement:
For players less than thirty days old, once per player corporation joined, and For all players, once a year
You may push a button in your corp interface (while a member of a player corp and docked) that: - Moves your medical clone to a station designated by your corporation, and - Automatically moves you to your medical clone
Exact method of corporations designating target station still being ironed out, but it will involve at the very least being able to designate a default station for all corp members, and will likely be allowed for *any* station with a corp office, regardless of system sec status.
This seems to us like it solves the "I want to recruit people to nullsec" concern, and also gives non-nullsec recruiters an easier way to get genuinely new players to the right location easily.
Thoughts? Pasting this into the FAQ and also trying to get it into the blog proper.
I posted this elsewhere too but worth adding here.
I've yet to see why a newbie dying on the way to null is a problem (oh noes, my 6m atron!). Unless they're in an itty with ALL their earthly possessions. Show me a serious null presence that doesnt have a logistic wing.
A swift glance at the map shows all but the most recent camps - and looking at the map is null 101.
Question: WHY should people moving to "one of the most dangerous areas of space" have their hands held to get there? And don't say "because newbie" -- if you can't get in and out yourself, you're not fit to be there in the first place.
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Daron Annus
Excel Pens
2
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:10:00 -
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so its been a week, any changes to your current plan of implementing these changes you claim will come next month? |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
957
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:19:00 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote: Eh you just shut your mouth until you join an alliance that actually has challenges to meet in Eve.
my friend, although we are the best, there are always more wretched pubbies that have yet to make the ultimate sacrifice for our ever-growing skullthrone and each new layer is a new challenge
in fact, if you'll just step over here, we need to take a few measurements to see where you'd fit in best |
Frag Solo
Shuttles Legend The Kadeshi
21
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:19:00 -
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If you want remove pod express oki .... But remove corp office limite in station too !!!! |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2063
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:45:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:400 pages can we get 400 pages..... Thread gets locked at page 399.
Troll level: ISD ....and the only warning was the last line of the patch notes, which said. "Oh yeah, we also shuffled Moon Goo around!" Show your support, move Moon Goo with Power Projection changes!-á |
NaNNeR HaMMeR
High Flyers The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:54:00 -
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PerfectWing wrote:Ever thought of making the jump fatigue timer, regional. so if I cross from say tribute to delve then I get the timer. having a timer in the say region of space , is just all full. If im under standing this right I take a jb from f-y to 9uy buy a mod then take it back and I know have what a day of fatigue. I can see the point of the timer. I just think its a little excessive, Also enjoy all the new gate camps with supers. I know maybe I can find a titian to bridge me 8 systems over so I can buy a loki sub in the same region then, bridged me back. Also they can manufactory them and put them on the market and charge 300m isk per sub to pay for fuel costs. Then will just buy more plex.
The above is really a pretty amazing idea.
THINK about this in terms of the players time investments on a daily level, what does the average player do, and how does this affect them as well. We want to limit large scale immediate force projection without fracking over the individual players. the majority of my time is spent in my region or going to and from trade hubs....how do we not frack me over while still limiting any group from being able to control 20 regions Instead of setting some arbitrary idea for travel, how about putting some real thought into just exactly what you're trying to prevent, immediate long range force projection for PvP purposes.
What does CCP consider a reasonable amount of time for force projection between say Fountain and Vale, or Tenerifis and Deklien?
Scale it down from there, approach this from a what is reasonable instead of just NFW
I love the direction these changes are intended to take the game, but they are entirely too much too quickly. No I shouldn't be able to move from one side of eve to the other in less than an hour, but it also shouldn't take a month. Logistics work for industrialist and pvp'ers shouldn't be turned into something that makes RL jobs look more appealing.
The idea that Gate jumps should be quicker is great, AFTER a certain point.
Make war yes, but frankly in it's current state, I'll end up with the group that says eff that and plays more of anything and everything else. I don't have all the answers, but Nerf the Nerf bat ffs. |
Gwailar
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:08:00 -
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NaNNeR HaMMeR wrote:PerfectWing wrote:Ever thought of making the jump fatigue timer, regional? The above is really a pretty amazing idea. . . . The idea that Gate jumps should be quicker is great, AFTER a certain point.
That's pretty much what they're achieving with the scaling jump fatigue they've proposed. Jumping is faster than gates inside ~20LY, with a bigger speed advantage the shorter the distance. The only thing is, for short trips, you'd have to wait out some fatigue before you head back on the round trip to keep your total fatigue from climbing too high.
Clearly with this system, you should jump at the end of cooldown only if you're doing a very few jumps, or if you're in a situation where you really NEED to, or if you know you're going to be offline for a while to burn off your fatigue. Otherwise, you should wait out the fatigue count till it's less than one.
But really, what they want you to do is start thinking of gates as your primary means of movement, rather than jumps.
The Dev Blog that Started This Whole Thing wrote:We are going to allow capital ships to use gates in lowsec/nullsec, and we are aiming to make gate-to-gate travel take less time than jump travel over distances of more than ~20 LY. We've run simulations for capital ships travelling between arbitrary pairs of systems, and settled on the target movement speed of no less than 3 minutes per lightyear for travel over 20 LY. This should allow us to bring about the main change we want to see GÇô less sustained use of jump travel GÇô while still preserving its value for short bursts of movement.
[Emphasis mine] And from post #723 in this thread:
CCP Greyscale wrote:Cr Turist wrote:how about a fixed cool down timer for capital jumps say 5-10 mins. forget this silly 5ly thing and all this other madness your talking about. its quick its easy it makes sense. To hit our target of being faster to gate-warp than to jump, and our benchmark of 3m/LY for gate-warping caps around, for a 17 LY carrier jump the cooldown would need to be 51 minutes. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6343
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:12:00 -
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Andy Landen wrote: How is a carrier (or any other captial for that matter) supposed to survive traveling through gates in null sec?
Maybe by bringing some friends?
I'm pretty sure that's the whole idea behind a Massively Multi-player ORPG.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
783
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:23:00 -
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Solumon Caar wrote:I LOVE it.
Making distance a *real* issue makes the universe bigger, adds variance and brings opportunity for creative political gameplay formerly not available.
Honestly, since joining eve a little more than a year ago, it became obvious that the mechanics favored established power far too much. Power was a one dimensional game mechanic that was far out of balance.
I never thought they would have the balls to do something so specific and so intentional as this. They have a new respect from me. They are castrating the empire mechanic for the sake of a more complex and playable political landscape. That is a risk for them.
Props.
Current political maps are a derivative of play style. Not Blue, shoot it. Conclusion: Blue donut.
These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
Those of us who have been a part of the power push in EVE know that lagg is the real killer of budding empires. Combine lagg and the symphony of ISBox fleets and you have certified fail for any alliance with genuine players trying to coordinate. While the small alliance would cringe at the thought of having to supply every Archon pilot with 4 or 5, up to 9 fitted Archon, placed near assets, the power bloc's have no issue there. Jump clone in and be home in 18 hours. No serious Sov threat will come up in 18 hours and unless all tech moons in all regions are hit in the same day, it's a matter of us feeding the Bloc pilots with TiDi, ISBox, I-Win fights.
The long and the short of it, will any of these changes force PL or Goons to give up some of their very lucrative Tech moons?
My answer is no. As much as I can want this to work, I don't see it changing anything. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:29:00 -
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Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:34:00 -
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the point is that if you cant even understand how moongoo enriches its owner, you're not qualified to speak on the subject
it is like you got the fact from a cracker jack box you found in the back of your grandma's pantry |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:36:00 -
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cracker jacks are p tasty but your fingers get all sticky and you have to towel off a lot
i could eat them with chopsticks but that would make me a huge tool |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
784
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:39:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days
And the cherry picking begins.
I must have struck a cord. |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
418
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:40:00 -
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Those bresticles should be more valuable than most tech goon. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:40:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days And the cherry picking begins. I must have struck a cord. i think cherries are worth more than tech moons these days |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2066
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:42:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days And the cherry picking begins. I must have struck a cord.
It started a while ago, this is just a new Goon that stepped up to the plate to save their empire of AFK ISK generation...
....and the only warning was the last line of the patch notes, which said. "Oh yeah, we also shuffled Moon Goo around!" Show your support, move Moon Goo with Power Projection changes!-á |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
957
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:43:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days And the cherry picking begins. I must have struck a cord. "the goons pointed out how i made a basic error that demonstrates I don't understand the basic facts i am purporting to be an expert on, this means I'm onto something"
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:54:00 -
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Ocih wrote: I must have struck a cord.
also it's "struck a chord"
cmon |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:59:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: I must have struck a cord.
also it's "struck a chord" cmon
Sure. And next you'll tell us it's not "For all in tents and porpoises" right?
We're onto your goonish tricks.
A bitter vet trying to start anew. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
960
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:59:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: I must have struck a cord.
also it's "struck a chord" cmon more apple-picking
i have struct many cords, a cord of cords even |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
784
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:59:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days And the cherry picking begins. I must have struck a cord. "the goons pointed out how i made a basic error that demonstrates I don't understand the basic facts i am purporting to be an expert on, this means I'm onto something"
My apologies, once again I over estimated the mental capacity of Goons.
Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons. I was not making reference to Technetium moons that have been defunked of value for over a year and are all but worthless now.
The coveted moons of Null that draw Power Bloc's to them. They will remain in the hands of IS Boxing, lag inducing power bloc's because the rest of us have no desire to sit on them like mother hen, clucking on the forums all day. |
Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:00:00 -
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THIS IS THE WINTER OF OUR DISCOUNT TENT |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
960
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:01:00 -
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Ocih wrote: My apologies, once again I over estimated the mental capacity of Goons.
Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons. I was not making reference to Technetium moons that have been defunked of value for over a year and are all but worthless now.
The coveted moons of Null that draw Power Bloc's to them. They will remain in the hands of IS Boxing, lag inducing power bloc's because the rest of us have no desire to sit on them like mother hen, clucking on the forums all day.
"when i said tech moons, i did not mean tech moons, i meant something completely different that has a different name. it is you who is the stupid for not understanding me"
the cake uplifts the wet fire :rolleyes: |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:02:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Ocih wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: These changes don't in any way rock the boat. One thing it tries to do is put perspective back on Sov and not on the real power structure of EVE. That being Moon Goo. If there is a tech moon, there is a power bloc and it's all bound by the ability to traverse the map in minutes or so the theory goes.
umm have you looked at a market lately, there are r16s worth more than tech these days And the cherry picking begins. I must have struck a cord. "the goons pointed out how i made a basic error that demonstrates I don't understand the basic facts i am purporting to be an expert on, this means I'm onto something" My apologies, once again I over estimated the mental capacity of Goons. Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons. I was not making reference to Technetium moons that have been defunked of value for over a year and are all but worthless now. The coveted moons of Null that draw Power Bloc's to them. They will remain in the hands of IS Boxing, lag inducing power bloc's because the rest of us have no desire to sit on them like mother hen, clucking on the forums all day.
How can we possibly lose at anything when this is what we're up against? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:04:00 -
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Ocih wrote: Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons.
all moongoo is related to tech 2 production
i've got a good deal on shovels in case yours breaks while you dig yourself deeper
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Laughable Xhosa Girl
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:05:00 -
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if you're not gonna atleast make coherent arguments you mind as well be barking at your keyboard
rrrrr ruff ruff rufff rrrrrrrrrr ruff |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
467
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:06:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Ocih wrote: I must have struck a cord.
also it's "struck a chord" cmon more apple-picking i have struct many cords, a cord of cords even technically a cord is a unit of volume, and while you normally only use it to measure firewood, i guess you could use it to indicate a very large number of apples too
makes you think |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:07:00 -
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Ocih wrote:
Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons. I was not making reference to Technetium moons that have been defunked of value for over a year and are all but worthless now.
Then you should have been more specific, because in common useage, a Tech Moon is a technicium moon.
A bitter vet trying to start anew. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
784
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:14:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Ocih wrote: My apologies, once again I over estimated the mental capacity of Goons.
Tech moons means R32 and Tech 2 related moons. I was not making reference to Technetium moons that have been defunked of value for over a year and are all but worthless now.
The coveted moons of Null that draw Power Bloc's to them. They will remain in the hands of IS Boxing, lag inducing power bloc's because the rest of us have no desire to sit on them like mother hen, clucking on the forums all day.
"when i said tech moons, i did not mean tech moons, i meant something completely different that has a different name. it is you who is the stupid for not understanding me" the cake uplifts the wet fire :rolleyes:
Lots of chuckles to be had over irrelevant points here.
Shall we get back on the matter of ISBox and TI-DI mechanics? No, I didn't think so.
carry on. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2233
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:18:00 -
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Some fun statistics.
8.9 % of all posts in this thread are from members of Goonswarm Federation. 15.2 % of all posts in this thread are from members of the CFC.
15.2 % of all posts in this thread are from faceless npc corp alts.
1.6 % of all posts in this thread are from members of pandemic legion. 2.8 % of all posts in this thread are from members of N3.
2.4 % of all posts in this thread are from NPC 0.0 entities.
2 % of all posts in this thread are from renters. |
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