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shelderon 1
MUTED VOID Takahashi Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:57:00 -
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i hope they do skill reimbursement |
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
3725
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:57:00 -
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Matches 42 wrote:Funny thing is that this not only screws everyone already living in null but it discourages anyone from being able to move there from the safety of hi-suck. All you idiot carebears only think its a good idea because of your sheer monumental ignorance of null-life.
I offer every comment to the contrary as evidence of that ignorance.
Carebears, how will CCP pay thier own staff when the big blocs mass-exodus from EVE and starve CCP of literally thousands of dollars a month in sub fees and plex-my-capital purchases. You can't have a game if the lions-share of subscribers leave the game permanently. .....and NO Mr. High Sec Miner, im so very much not referring to YOU as "the lion-share" of subscribers, lol
Out with the old, in with the new.
Just because you are blinkered and cosy in the current meta doesn't mean there won't be plenty of others willing to take your place.
Move aside if you like Grandpa. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Na'Monk
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
0
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:We need goons to fall. This might be it..hopefully.
Goons wont really be affected, they will preposition their alts, and just switch out every jump. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
118
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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Doctor Fabulous MD wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
So who exactly is going to pay rental fees to you if you are going to be completely unable to protect them?
You do realize that we don't protect renters from roaming gangs in any way already right? And that to harass us the smaller entities will need to actually deploy (which has become a massively massively tedious "id rather kill myself" proposition) And any sov timers will be far more than long enough for us to respond?
MOA became enough of a pain for the Goons to make defense fleets to hunt them down. It's going to be a heck of a lot harder to effectively do that if they start targetting outlying isolated systems, where you won't be caching capitals and jump clones. At that point your sov becomes nominal rather than real, and it's going to be a lot tougher to get people to pay you real rental isk for it. In no way is this the end of Goons or whatever, but it definitely is a crimp on force projection to outlying territory. |
5yndr0m3
Origin. Black Legion.
26
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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5 ly maximum jump distance for a jf and a cool down timer.
THANKS CCP FOR MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE SMALLER ALLIANCES IN THE GAME! |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
347
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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Ackbarre wrote:After careful consideration I've decided to cancel my subscription to my 3 accounts. Stuff? |
Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Ok fine....if they are willing to pay you just for the right to farm, with no involved force projection or protection, then you can carry on. But I think part of the expectation of renters is that the sov holder takes action to make the rented area safe, including hotdropping when necessary. The goons definitely made defense fleets to hunt down MOA. These changes make it a lot more painful to move around, and will at the very least force the renters to more actively protect themselves, putting downward pressure on the rental fees, and somewhat financially harming the large nullblocks.
no landlord does this, at all: all of the big three (na/bot/pblrd) say they'll defense against sov attacks only (and that's cause we want to continue to collect the rent)
You want money for nothing by holding on to all the systems and continuing to collect rent, but you also want content at the same time?
Something has to give somewhere along the line, hopefully the foundations of the big groups that have become so big that Nullsec is broken with the current mechanics. GöÇGòó The Explorer I GöÇGòó The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
127
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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Hypothetical situation for you. I live in A24 in Insmother. Assuming maxed skills, for a pilot to take a Jump Freighter to Empire is currently three jumps with a total fuel consumption of 37,278 units of fuel. It's a distance of 24.312 lightyears.
Post nerf, to stop by stations, that becomes eight jumps and requires 47,899 Isotopes travelling a distance of 33.973 lightyears.
My costs just went up so I have to pass that on to the people in my Alliance which means ships are now considerably more expensive than they are in Empire space. My route just more than doubled increasing my risks. The time it takes me to complete my journey just went up thus eating in to my play time when I want to be doing other things.
Why would I want to continue living in null sec?
By extension, because my costs just went up and ships are so much more expensive now compared to pre-nerf, and because there isn't a proportionate increase in the ISK per hour generation in 0.0, the people in my alliance have to spend more time ratting or mining so that they can afford to buy ships rather than PvPing.
Why would they want to continue living in null sec?
Insmother is relatively close to Empire. Pity the fool that lives in the far corners of the map.
In its current state, this is massively ill thought out. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13467
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Ok fine....if they are willing to pay you just for the right to farm, with no involved force projection or protection, then you can carry on. But I think part of the expectation of renters is that the sov holder takes action to make the rented area safe, including hotdropping when necessary. The goons definitely made defense fleets to hunt down MOA. These changes make it a lot more painful to move around, and will at the very least force the renters to more actively protect themselves, putting downward pressure on the rental fees, and somewhat financially harming the large nullblocks.
We use fast cruiser gangs, if someone tries to take sov we deploy the main fleets. This isn't going to be hard to adapt to. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Sushi Nardieu
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
250
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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keep up the good work CCP. Very in favour of these changes. The Guns of Knowledge-á |
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Natalia Hunt
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 -
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Well I've never posted on the forums as I usually just go with the flow. But this change cripple's me basically, I've made my ISK by creating POS fuel in null and not only am I going to need 2 more mid point's (2 more char's to do it quickly) but now I'll have a cooldown to get my isotopes and such out to null. I trained forever to get into my JF and get JDC 5 and JF 5 and Jump Fuel Conservation 5 and it took awhile and a lot of Black Frog contract's to make enough ISK for my own JF and now it's basically all for nothing. I mean like most people I play this video game to have FUN! To unwind from a long day of work and to relax. Well CCP seems to be making this game into more of a grind than anything, they literally want you to have to play this game all day long to be able to do anything.
I even have a character that is currently training to sit in the Archon I have sitting in my station. I've been training it for quite a long time as I've been training for a PROPER Archon with traige and everything so I can actually use it rather than it just being a suitcase... Well I might as well stop training it because what's the use? Rarely would I use it in a fight (just wanted the skills just in case) so as a suitcase what good is 5 LY? I've basically wasted MONTHS of my time for something I cannot use now.
It takes a lot to make me upset with a game, hell I admit I stuck in with WoW (yah I know, let the trolling begin) for 8 year's before I got tired of all the nerfs and the crap but I gotta say I think this is the straw that breaks the camels back for me. This game is going on a downward spiral that is making it more of a job than recreation. If this change to JF's goes in and makes it so I have to work that much harder for my ISK (as everyone knows running PI toons gets to be a pain after awhile) I will be done with this game unfortunately. Also, before the trolls start saying "Can I have your stuffs?" My alliance member's will be getting my stuff, if they are still playing after the patch. I seriously hope these change's get shot down when CCP see's how many people are against it. I love this game and don't want to quit, but I'm not the type to sit on the deck of a sinking ship until it touches the ocean floor. |
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
1967
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:59:00 -
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Really?
Really? |
Bill Lane
Military Gamers The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:59:00 -
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Hoping this sets null sec on fire, will be the best thing for this game. http://www.militarygamers.com/ |
Anthar Thebess
721
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:59:00 -
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Why NC and PL is crying so much. Instead of few hundred controlled systems you will have 100 each. If there will be to far for your capitals to hotrdrop lone cruiser - just un blue some of the people and you will have lot of fun locally , like most of the players NOW.
Thank you ccp again. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:59:00 -
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Renting is basically the same thing as being an actual member of an alliance with taxes. Except you're not obliged to show up to any strategic op.
We're offering a way for any entity to get into 0.0 and do whatever they want (except make supers). How come these areas aren't already bustling with content? We have no rules that prevent any renter from going on roams and shooting neuts or reds.
All of the highsec posters in this thread are all proclaiming that this is the change that they've been waiting for- when it comes down to it, we'll still be in the same situation that we're in today until meaningful sov changes are made. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8417
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:As someone who remembers the days of freighter convoys, regional wars, 100 man battleship fights that were coordinated and maneuvered, the harsh unforgiving teeth gritting game that was Eve Online I finally, FINALLY have hope that CCP is breathing life anew into this game.
EVE had fewer players and alts back then. Lots of things have changed. you can't nerf 1 thing and recreate some rose colored glasses glory days that never really existed in the 1st place. EVERYONE forgets how people begged and begged and begged CCP for an easier way to more around EVE "because using gates sucks and takes too long and gates get camped all the time and it's not fair!!!".
In another thread I called what was proposed a "Battlestar Galactica moment", because this has happened before and will happen again lol. That I (as someone with a character in a null coalition) benefits from this (wormholes to low sec + prorator for the win) is beyond the point. Avoidable errors should be avoided unless you want them to become reverseable errors that you then have to waste time on reversing lol.
Also perma-lol and the people who still don't realize that they are the one who ends up shafted, not the null sec empires. it's like watching people celebrate when rich people get taxed thinking their government will get more money for services....until the rich guy moves his factory to China.. |
Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 -
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Quote: By extension, because my costs just went up and ships are so much more expensive now compared to pre-nerf, and because there isn't a proportionate increase in the ISK per hour generation in 0.0, the people in my alliance have to spend more time ratting or mining so that they can afford to buy ships.
I fail to see the problem with this. Stop milking renter cows and undock and actually do something to earn what you fly. GöÇGòó The Explorer I GöÇGòó The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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Aleks Cave
Black Water Oasis
16
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 -
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whoever decided to leave the game, please send me isk and ships.
thanks in advance on the donations
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1603
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: - Cyno mass limits mean the alliance willing to create the most cyno alts wins, this is not a good thing to incentivize.
The fact you thought of this when dealing with cynos and not the actual ships themselves stuns me.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Gaizka Alud
Sinpire Viro Mors Non Est
2
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 -
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Doctor Fabulous MD wrote:[quote=Veers Belvar]
... And that to harass us the smaller entities will need to actually deploy (which has become a massively massively tedious "id rather kill myself" proposition) ...
This is potentially a major issue. Nerfing immediate force projection can hopefully be done in a way that has minimal effects on smaller entities ability to deploy to a new location. Maybe it is simply not possible, but let's hope it is. |
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Iori Asano
6 Sided Box
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 -
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"Who cares about quality of life and small alliances anyways?"
-CCP |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
347
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Ok fine....if they are willing to pay you just for the right to farm, with no involved force projection or protection, then you can carry on. But I think part of the expectation of renters is that the sov holder takes action to make the rented area safe, including hotdropping when necessary. The goons definitely made defense fleets to hunt down MOA. These changes make it a lot more painful to move around, and will at the very least force the renters to more actively protect themselves, putting downward pressure on the rental fees, and somewhat financially harming the large nullblocks.
We use fast cruiser gangs, if someone tries to take sov we deploy the main fleets. This isn't going to be hard to adapt to. Why are some of your members whinging and rage quitting on this thread then if it doesn't affect you. I agree, goonswarm will still be able to easily protect its empire with subcapitals, but your line soldiers all seem to be throwing toys out the pram and quitting, in which case you wont have pilots to fly said sub capitals. |
Torrent Rage
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
0
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:01:00 -
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Mass based spawn when jumping through a stargate. 15km up to 50km for titans. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
220
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:01:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:OK, I've been sitting in front of this thread for four and a half hours, I need to go home and feed myself and stuff. I'll try and check back in in an hour or two, but otherwise I'll see you all tomorrow!
Go check reddit. They love the changes over there.
At least you have all the cry babies localized. |
Scarlet Intelis
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
27
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:01:00 -
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Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Excellent changes, can't wait to see how the sov map will look like in 6 months.
Spoiler Alert : About the same. Sov, is a completely different problem to power projection. Sov flipping takes a lot of time, this changes nothing about that.
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Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
139
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:01:00 -
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I have one word to describe this changes - EPIC. Truly EPIC
Finally CCP is going to do major step foward in game mechanic! Its simple change but it's scale is like Apocrypha. I'm feeling like we are heading back to pre Jump Freighter era, when most nullsec traffic had to go throu lowsec with much risk involved and.. well effort. Definitely lowsec will become a place what it was once in the past, without hundred strong alliances ready to hotdrop you anywhere, anytime.
The least lowsec needs is powerblocks. For all small - medium lowsec entities it's a Christmass time!
For nullsec it also brings a major change - most obvious is that it will be very hard to hold and control vast areas of space throu limited fleet ranges.
Great job CCP, Hornestly, you brought back a hope to my heart that game will go in the right direction, also you just earned my 420 Euros from subbing all may accounts for a year upfront.
All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Riddari Prowler
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:01:00 -
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Jump Freighters and Rorq's should just be exempt from this whole thing. This change will cripple the logistics side of the game in a major way. I understand a lot of people think thats good, but it is really bad. This is great for pvp but really really bad for logistics and mining. JF's and RORQ's should just be completely left untouched. |
Amanda Orion
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
25
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:01:00 -
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Well funded organisations can just keep more pilots per ship - and avoid the fatigue.
Pointless. |
Pavlakakos
W.A.S.P Curatores Veritatis Alliance
11
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:02:00 -
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Ohhh, the sub-droppings. Finally PLEX prices will come down. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13467
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:02:00 -
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Lucrii Dei wrote:Quote: By extension, because my costs just went up and ships are so much more expensive now compared to pre-nerf, and because there isn't a proportionate increase in the ISK per hour generation in 0.0, the people in my alliance have to spend more time ratting or mining so that they can afford to buy ships.
I fail to see the problem with this. Stop milking renter cows and undock and actually do something to earn what you fly.
That wont help reduce the problems that JF will now have. Big powerblocks can soak up the costs, its the smaller powers that this is meant to be helping that will suffer. JF do need to be looked at before this thing goes live. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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