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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1155
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Posted - 2014.10.05 05:41:00 -
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Here's a simple idea.
No more anchoring mobile depots or tractor units outside jita 4-4 all they do is create lag. ie nothing within 1000km of the station. Also they are an eye sore. |
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.10.05 05:58:00 -
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The problem with mobile depots is their reinforcement timer. They can be near stations, more populated stations would be policed by that very population. The fact that it can be deployed in 60s and take 48hrs to desroy is clearly unbalanced and needs to be revised. Especially that is has this reinforcement timer for free.
Reinforcement for strontium is a pretty standard practice in the mechanics. Timer then balanced by the fuel bay. (I would suggest 12-24 hrs.) With the Depot functioning like POS modules with CPU, as in they cannot be scooped. You can access everything but the strontium bay to evacuate it.
The activation time is a little short for the fitting in space service it provides as well. Previously you would need a sizable ship or structure investment to obtain said service. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1155
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Posted - 2014.10.05 06:16:00 -
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Eh, since jita 4-4 is eve's busiest station there shoudl just be a rule about anchoring excessive modules around that station. I undocked today and i saw more depots and tractors than i did actual players. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3840
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Posted - 2014.10.05 06:50:00 -
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Change the reinforcement timer to 1-2 hours. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
758
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Posted - 2014.10.05 07:14:00 -
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No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. |
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.10.05 07:59:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:Eh, since jita 4-4 is eve's busiest station there shoudl just be a rule about anchoring excessive modules around that station. I undocked today and i saw more depots and tractors than i did actual players. Arbitrary rules at certain stations in certain systems is a bad way to handle things. If they are more easily destroyed they will be, eve loves easy targets.
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Change the reinforcement timer to 1-2 hours. Honestly I agree with you, considering their cheap cost, ease of use, and versitility. At a burn rate of 200/hr, 4800 units is rather cheap. (at 300ea. 1.44mil)
Adjusting the rate of consumption could help. After some brief research on eve central the price of strontium seems to around 200-300 a unit. At a rate of 3000/hr at current prices on the high end is 21.6 million, 14.4 million on the low. Say the market price increases by 50%, at 300 and 450 the prices would be 21.6 and 32.4 respectively. Not a terribly high price for invulnerability. This could also vary among the different mobile depots.
Note: POS's adjust their strontium consumption rate via the time period. This would translate to a period of 1.2 seconds.
Rivr Luzade wrote:No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. The behavior of the players clearly shows why anchoring cans was prohibit for so many years as the players simply abuse this mechanic to manipulate the grid or build giant penises and crosses in space to cause lag and overview and bracket clutter. Attempting to keep the development idea of a semi home away from home this has many applications in all types and securities of space. You can make separate overview tabs with filters and adjust your bracket filters similarly. You can even destroy them if you wish. And lets be real, nothing symbolizes the dark harsh world eve is and should be like hitting a gate and seeing a giant floating ***** in space. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
758
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Posted - 2014.10.05 08:48:00 -
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Evora Pirkibo wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. The behavior of the players clearly shows why anchoring cans was prohibit for so many years as the players simply abuse this mechanic to manipulate the grid or build giant penises and crosses in space to cause lag and overview and bracket clutter. Attempting to keep the development idea of a semi home away from home this has many applications in all types and securities of space. You can make separate overview tabs with filters and adjust your bracket filters similarly. You can even destroy them if you wish. And lets be real, nothing symbolizes the dark harsh world eve is and should be like hitting a gate and seeing a giant floating ***** in space.
I fail to see what giant genitalia in space have to do with "harsh, unforgiving and evil" space game. For me, it only shows how immature and childish the players are - and immature and childish is as "harsh, unforgiving and evil" as a butterfly is a symbole for the devil. vOv
Using different tabs and brackets is already what I do, but models still load, lag still happens and I am fed up with having to constantly switching tabs just because some people can't keep their dirty parts in their pants or their religious believes in their heads. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1161
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:37:00 -
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I also know people are mad at the devs, I read the forums, i dont need to see your 200 cans outside the undock. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2865
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:38:00 -
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you can remove them from the overview and the bracket profile eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
86
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:48:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:you can remove them from the overview and the bracket profile
That doesnt stop them from being rendered on grid. Even if they arent on your overview and brackets are off, the server and your computer still has to process it. |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1908
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:21:00 -
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Cry more. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Be4st
Vengance Inc. Space Warriors
54
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:46:00 -
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All the Depot's and MTU's that are placed in Jita are just killboard padding and a boredom cure. If they get on your nerves so much, just do what me and many others do and blow them up |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
769
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:48:00 -
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Sure. I just come out of Syndicate to Jita to clear up the clutter for my alt, who can only fly Hauling ships. ... +¦O |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2058
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Posted - 2014.10.07 15:54:00 -
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Undock...experience 1% fps lag do to **** anchored everywhere...file petition.
Dropping massive amount of cans around a Stargate is a bannable offence. I'm surprised no one is getting banned over this! ....and the only warning was the last line of the patch notes, which said. "Oh yeah, we also shuffled Moon Goo around!" Show your support, move Moon Goo with Power Projection changes!-á |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3848
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Posted - 2014.10.07 16:01:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. There are legitimate uses for both mobile depots and mobile tractor units in 0.8-1.0 space. In addition to changing the reinforcement timer to 1-2 hours on depots I think the suspect flag should be removed on shooting MTUs (yes, I can hear the screams of the Jita 4-4 gankers now)... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Paranoid Loyd
2128
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Posted - 2014.10.07 16:57:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Cry more.
This^
As a result of your tears I will be anchoring MOAR! "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Soul Takers
220
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Posted - 2014.10.07 17:53:00 -
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Jita should be ****** and trashy. But I'm still waiting on player deployable billboards. Aglon is free! -áDeath to all supers! |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2014.10.07 17:54:00 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:Jita should be ****** and trashy. But I'm still waiting on player deployable billboards.
The future Jita 4-4 surrounded by billboards of custom **** pics.
I can't wait. |
Liam Inkuras
Mafia Redux
1300
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Posted - 2014.10.07 17:55:00 -
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Allow adjustment to opacity of UI elements such as depot timers I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3849
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Posted - 2014.10.07 21:29:00 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:Jita should be ****** and trashy. But I'm still waiting on player deployable billboards. So instead of the aforementioned phallus shapes, we get hundreds of players camped out by the Jita 4-4 billboard watching XXX **** all day. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Rasiermesserherz
Remember The Fallen. Almost Awesome.
0
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Posted - 2014.10.11 19:39:00 -
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A solution does need to be implemented. It's bad enough when people are just dropping them just for the sake of being a douche. It's even more obnoxious when people start using them for the purposes of proselytizing. A toon Darkblad and his alt Somewhat Strange are responsible for the recent giant cross in Jita. Eve isn't the place for this sort of thing. When he was called out on it he basically said go ahead and shoot them, knowing full well that shooting an anchored structure results in a suspect flag which obviously results in a ship loss.
I don't know that things shouldn't be able to anchored in hisec, but when someone engages in this sort of behaviour it should result in CCP enforcing at least a temporary suspension. Maybe fines in the form of lost SP.
What do you think are solutions for this? |
Iain Cariaba
494
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Posted - 2014.10.11 20:36:00 -
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Rasiermesserherz wrote:A solution does need to be implemented. It's bad enough when people are just dropping them just for the sake of being a douche. It's even more obnoxious when people start using them for the purposes of proselytizing. A toon Darkblad and his alt Somewhat Strange are responsible for the recent giant cross in Jita. Eve isn't the place for this sort of thing. When he was called out on it he basically said go ahead and shoot them, knowing full well that shooting an anchored structure results in a suspect flag which obviously results in a ship loss.
I don't know that things shouldn't be able to anchored in hisec, but when someone engages in this sort of behaviour it should result in CCP enforcing at least a temporary suspension. Maybe fines in the form of lost SP.
What do you think are solutions for this? Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery.
Grow up. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2871
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:41:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. The behavior of the players clearly shows why anchoring cans was prohibit for so many years as the players simply abuse this mechanic to manipulate the grid or build giant penises and crosses in space to cause lag and overview and bracket clutter.
That basically completely undermines the basic premise behind their use. Why should I - and others like me , who don't abuse them in this fashion - be punished for the actions of a group of asshats 15 LY away?
If the mobile depots offend you so much, then shoot them and remember to come back when their reinforcement timers end. I highly doubt anyone will try to defend them. A smartbombing battleship will do fine. |
Rasiermesserherz
Remember The Fallen. Almost Awesome.
0
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:13:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Rasiermesserherz wrote:A solution does need to be implemented. It's bad enough when people are just dropping them just for the sake of being a douche. It's even more obnoxious when people start using them for the purposes of proselytizing. A toon Darkblad and his alt Somewhat Strange are responsible for the recent giant cross in Jita. Eve isn't the place for this sort of thing. When he was called out on it he basically said go ahead and shoot them, knowing full well that shooting an anchored structure results in a suspect flag which obviously results in a ship loss.
I don't know that things shouldn't be able to anchored in hisec, but when someone engages in this sort of behaviour it should result in CCP enforcing at least a temporary suspension. Maybe fines in the form of lost SP.
What do you think are solutions for this? Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery. Grow up.
EVE isn't a church/mosque/cemetary/other venue where obnoxious religious symbols are appropriate. There are crosses throughout my home and even one on my front door, but I'm not going to be a douch+¬ and plant a 60ft high one in my front yard. Tell you what... since you're okay with it... how about we go ahead and put up a star of david, a crescent moon, and maybe even a colander in Jita. It's equally obnoxious, but that's okay with you, right?
There are far better ways to memorialize something that are appropriate for the environment. The Vile Rat memorial is an excellent example of appropriate. |
Rasiermesserherz
Remember The Fallen. Almost Awesome.
0
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Posted - 2014.10.13 00:19:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:No. Simply prohibit them in 1-0-0.8. The behavior of the players clearly shows why anchoring cans was prohibit for so many years as the players simply abuse this mechanic to manipulate the grid or build giant penises and crosses in space to cause lag and overview and bracket clutter. That basically completely undermines the basic premise behind their use. Why should I - and others like me , who don't abuse them in this fashion - be punished for the actions of a group of asshats 15 LY away? If the mobile depots offend you so much, then shoot them and remember to come back when their reinforcement timers end. I highly doubt anyone will try to defend them. A smartbombing battleship will do fine.
You're right in that people shouldn't be punished for using them properly. As for shooting them... people camp Jita for the sole purpose of ganking anyone that shows up with a suspect flag, which is what you get when you attack a mobile depot. Why should people lose their isk/gear to clean up other people's graffiti? |
Iain Cariaba
505
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Posted - 2014.10.13 01:31:00 -
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Rasiermesserherz wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery.
Grow up. EVE isn't a church/mosque/cemetary/other venue where obnoxious religious symbols are appropriate. There are crosses throughout my home and even one on my front door, but I'm not going to be a douch+¬ and plant a 60ft high one in my front yard. Tell you what... since you're okay with it... how about we go ahead and put up a star of david, a crescent moon, and maybe even a colander in Jita. It's equally obnoxious, but that's okay with you, right? There are far better ways to memorialize something that are appropriate for the environment. The Vile Rat memorial is an excellent example of appropriate. I would have zero issues with this. Just because I don't agree with what someone has to say doesn't mean they don't still have the right to say it. Unfortunately, this era of political correctness has tried to override that basic freedom.
Political correctness is living under the belief that it is possible to pick up a turd from the clean end. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Rasiermesserherz
Remember The Fallen. Almost Awesome.
0
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Posted - 2014.10.13 03:57:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Rasiermesserherz wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Proselytizing? Really? Did you look at the names on the cans before you stormed off in righteous indignation to shiptoast about it? There's nothing wrong with a memorial to the non-english official channels. That's like being offended when you see a cross while driving past a cemetery.
Grow up. EVE isn't a church/mosque/cemetary/other venue where obnoxious religious symbols are appropriate. There are crosses throughout my home and even one on my front door, but I'm not going to be a douch+¬ and plant a 60ft high one in my front yard. Tell you what... since you're okay with it... how about we go ahead and put up a star of david, a crescent moon, and maybe even a colander in Jita. It's equally obnoxious, but that's okay with you, right? There are far better ways to memorialize something that are appropriate for the environment. The Vile Rat memorial is an excellent example of appropriate. I would have zero issues with this. Just because I don't agree with what someone has to say doesn't mean they don't still have the right to say it. Unfortunately, this era of political correctness has tried to override that basic freedom. Political correctness is living under the belief that it is possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.
"Political correctness is living under the belief that it is possible to pick up a turd from the clean end." LMAO! I love this one. Thanks for that.
You make a good argument, except while one has the right to say what he/she wants doesn't free them from the consequences of what is said. What's more, while people are free to believe in whatever religion they want, we as a whole also have the right to be free from religion. Meaning, giant obnoxious displays are considered rude by many people. Even those of various religions that I associate with agree that it's disrespectful to force it upon people like that. |
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