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Kasuga Ayumu
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Posted - 2006.08.11 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kasuga Ayumu on 11/08/2006 20:48:48
hi, this is my first post but i am a long time player
my friends are all investing in mexallon because they say the prices are going up to try to meet demand
apparently the devs made a lack of kernite asteroids and other mexallon producing asteroids even rarer to put the price of mexallon back in check
the price has jsut started to rise and i was wondering what do other people think of this investment??
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Mixbix
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Posted - 2006.08.11 20:45:00 -
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Yup! Ive made over 40 million ISK in the past couple of day on Mexallon and Pyerite sale so the market is looking bullish (increasing in value) lately.... I think mexallon will last at least 2-4 weeks so I can still get profit in several regions. Jita has a stable mineral market and so do Luminaire so that is my main trading. I usually dont have leave station for making ISK if I dont want
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Kasuga Ayumu
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Posted - 2006.08.11 21:40:00 -
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well, i notice there are more buy and sell orders now so the price has been increasing a lot lately... do you hold the mex and wait to sell or do you put it up right away? i am having trouble getting it to sell. i am in jita
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FrontC
Caldari
The Wildcards
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Posted - 2006.08.11 22:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Mixbix
Yup! Ive made over 40 million ISK in the past couple of day on Mexallon and Pyerite sale so the market is looking bullish (increasing in value) lately.... I think mexallon will last at least 2-4 weeks so I can still get profit in several regions. Jita has a stable mineral market and so do Luminaire so that is my main trading. I usually dont have leave station for making ISK if I dont want
Pretty impressive for a 1 day old character ...
Could just be that people are trying to manipulate the market like was done with Isogen.  |
Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.11 22:16:00 -
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In a very unsubtle way, check the market discussion forum =p
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2006.08.11 22:29:00 -
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I would belive that it is to blame macrominers mostly, for several months I have seen them going for Kernite first then other minerals ... but always kernite.
So in the end the kerniterocks in empire are tiny ... they get mined up so fast they don't manage to grow some even.
Eventually that means first a flood of mexallon .. but since the rocks are now small it means less mexallon on the market.
Well .. just my toughts ofcourse.
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Mixbix
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Posted - 2006.08.11 23:59:00 -
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i am trying make a trader character with trade skillbooks because i can make lots of money i found out :) macro miner are maybe a part of the problem as you say but i think main reason is CCP make minerals rare sometimes by modifying asteroid numbers/kinds. remember megacyte was the first to rise and people used think that it is because CCP make a asteroid belt mistake? no as we found out hihi..... ccp make a dynamic market on purpose. right now it is mexallon and tomorrow any person can guess.
mexallon is appreciating very quickly now so now is time to make most money before it depreciates in a couple of weeks
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stoats
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Posted - 2006.08.12 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
I would belive that it is to blame macrominers mostly, for several months I have seen them going for Kernite first then other minerals ... but always kernite.
So in the end the kerniterocks in empire are tiny ... they get mined up so fast they don't manage to grow some even.
If only the macrominers spoke english, i could hook them up with some sweet kernite fields in high sec!
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.12 00:39:00 -
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In the past mex was allways the litle man...
Prices crashed in 04, in truth you could farm a couple of million just by recycling chained loot.. making it pretty much good for nothing.. biggest being bs builds, hard to sell for a decent price as nobody realy wanted it.
Capital age, you eat the stuff, hard to mine, not much supply around.. i could mine it for a week, all it lasts is a few component builds.....
There's your increase.
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Dr Felonius
Caldari
The Starlight Society
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Posted - 2006.08.12 04:37:00 -
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Kernite is all well and good, but humble ol' plagioclase has the most mexallon per cubic meter, and I've never noticed a shortage of it. A little price hike to make it worth more than scordite would be only sane.
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spurious signal
Caldari
Brainiacs
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Posted - 2006.08.12 05:14:00 -
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Lol, really bad attempt at market manipulation here 
Maybe the "Operation Alt Smackdown" on the Alliance & Corporations board should be extended here too? 
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2006.08.12 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Felonius
Kernite is all well and good, but humble ol' plagioclase has the most mexallon per cubic meter, and I've never noticed a shortage of it. A little price hike to make it worth more than scordite would be only sane.
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Ferrosa
Gallente
Lyonesse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.12 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Arcticblue2
Originally by: Dr Felonius
Kernite is all well and good, but humble ol' plagioclase has the most mexallon per cubic meter, and I've never noticed a shortage of it. A little price hike to make it worth more than scordite would be only sane.
Good point Arctic!
Anyway, I haven't seen a big shortage in mexallon supplies where I'm at.. Prices have been going up (a bit) but nothing to be concerned of at the moment.. Maybe the phenomenon is hitting the main hubs first, then spreading like a massive virus around the EvE globe
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Brudah
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Posted - 2006.08.12 15:06:00 -
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There is no shortage of mexallon producing 'roids. This is nothing but a lame attempt at people trying to drive up prices by making false statemenmts on the boards there are a few other posts declaring this supposed "shortage", if i had to guess all by the same person or his buddies. As has been stated before there is plenty of Plagioclaise around and it has the best Mexallon per m3 than anything.
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Shassandra
Gallente
The New Order.
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Posted - 2006.08.12 15:20:00 -
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Usually the situation.
People put buy orders in HUB for high amounts, sell orders become even higher, prices go up. This happens in the hub systems.
Then traders want to make a quick buck, buy it for lower prices at non-hub systems and sell in hub systems, driving prices down a bit in hub systems, but up a lot in other systems.
Business 101 :D
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Feronia
Gallente
Magma Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.12 16:16:00 -
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I already noticed last week someone is trying to push the mexallon price to 12.5 Isk.
Bad decision, they picked the wrong mineral.
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Naphtalia
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.12 17:15:00 -
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Is it time to sell the 450mil mexalon I got saved up then? :)
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Arcticblue2
Gallente
Nordic Freelancers inc
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Posted - 2006.08.12 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ferrosa
Originally by: Arcticblue2
Originally by: Dr Felonius
Kernite is all well and good, but humble ol' plagioclase has the most mexallon per cubic meter, and I've never noticed a shortage of it. A little price hike to make it worth more than scordite would be only sane.
Good point Arctic!
Anyway, I haven't seen a big shortage in mexallon supplies where I'm at.. Prices have been going up (a bit) but nothing to be concerned of at the moment.. Maybe the phenomenon is hitting the main hubs first, then spreading like a massive virus around the EvE globe
He he .. don't know what happend there... anyway what I was going to say I can't remember think it was something like there is no plagloclase in Domain, and there is ALOT of macroers in Domain.
Not that much mexallon either to be honest...
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.12 19:58:00 -
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Then go to Essence or Everyshore, where every belt has 50 plagioclase rocks in it.
A mexallon shortage? That's about as likely as a vaccuum shortage.
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Ulle
Red Frog Investments
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.13 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ulle on 13/08/2006 08:33:56
Low ends are actually climbing, slowly ... but more because they were well under the "normal" value, I don't think any "normal" player would have mined mex at 6 p/u or pye at 3 or trit at 1.4. IMO, those prices were mainly due to the huge influx of new players and big macro farmers in the last months, that are now moving to different part of the game, becoming mineral consumers (in the form of destroyed ships and modules) instead of producers, or macroing higher end minerals in lowsec/0.0 unguarded areas for higher profits.
Shortage, will never happen. Most Mex asteroids are simply not mined ... you may bet the situation will change, if they will become a viable income again
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Dagle
Minmatar
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
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Posted - 2006.08.14 06:22:00 -
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Plagio isn't the most Mex per m^3, Jaspet is.
Per m^3, these are the leaders for mex after considering ore density and refine batch size (assuming perfect refines):
Jaspet: 5.18
Plagio: 2.2
Kernite: 1.6
Pyrox: 1.2
If there is a shortfall it is due to plagio being nearly worthless to mine. If you go to mine a belt, most people ignore the plagio if they are not stripping the entire belt, simply because it is far and away the least valuable ore to mine (70% of the value of veld the next lowest common ore). But why is it so worthless to mine?
 Is it because plagio just doesn't have enough of the right minerals in it?
 Not really but some changes to plagio mineral composition could make it a desireable ore (such as adding 5 nocx & 5 isogen per refine).
Is it because at 8-10 p/u mex is just too cheap?
Somewhat, but Mex would have to go to 20 p/u just to catch up to Veld, let alone Scordite & Pyrox. Not likely to happen.
Is it because Plagio has the highest density of the common ores with no above average mineral composition?
 IMO yes. Plagio is .35 density. Pyrox .3, Scord .15 and Veld .1 It's density is the biggest culprit.
Solutions:
1. Reduce Plagio's density from .35 to .25 and it's instantly competative with trit in value per m^3.
2. Add some isogen and/or nocx to plagio in small amounts to boost the value. No need to adjust density as 5 isogen & 5 nocx per refine would add enough value to make it worthwhile.
3. Remove zydrine from jaspet and put it in .5+ space as a third above average ore along with kernite & omber. Jaspet would be about the same value per m^3 as Kernite with Omber still the king of high sec ores.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 18:40:00 -
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It's sad but true. My corp does a lot of high sec mining. We strip belts , but leave the plag, unless we need the mex. A boost to plag would be greatly appreciated.
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Matthew
Caldari
BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.16 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dagle
Plagio isn't the most Mex per m^3, Jaspet is.
Per m^3, these are the leaders for mex after considering ore density and refine batch size (assuming perfect refines):
Jaspet: 5.18
Plagio: 2.2
Kernite: 1.6
Pyrox: 1.2
Your maths is off. Assuming perfect refine:
Plagio gives 256 mex per batch.
Each batch has a volume of 333*0.35=116.55m3
Giving 2.2 mex per m3
Jaspet gives 512 mex per batch
Each batch has a volume of 500*2=1000m3
Giving 0.518 mex per m3.
Guess you missed a zero off somewhere.
Originally by: Dagle
If there is a shortfall it is due to plagio being nearly worthless to mine. If you go to mine a belt, most people ignore the plagio if they are not stripping the entire belt, simply because it is far and away the least valuable ore to mine (70% of the value of veld the next lowest common ore). But why is it so worthless to mine?
This is probably a key reason for mex prices going up - more miners are learning earlier which ores to mine.
As to why it's so worthless, it's because of the player market mineral prices. On "base" prices as per the item database, pyro and plagio shouldn't be that different.
However, look at the "base" mineral prices assumed in that.
It assumes mex is at 32isk, trit is at 2isk and pyer is at 8isk. now, trit is at or above 100% of "base", pyer is at about 55% of "base". Mex is only at around 30% of "base". Hence, all mexallon bearing ores will be devalued relative to the others. Plagio is hit hardest because the majority of it's value comes from mexallon.
Kernite, although it has mex in it, has most of it's value in isogen, which is close to it's "base" of 128isk. Hence kernite holds it's value.
This is purely the workings of the player market. If there is more mexallon required, prices will simply go up again until plagio is good to mine. In that way it's an inherently self-balancing system.
If you tampered with it to make plagio more attractive to mine relative to other ores, that would just result in even more mexallon flooding onto the market, the price of mex would go down, and plagio would again fall in value. Besides, once you started "chasing" the player market in an attempt to keep ore prices at certain levels, you'd have to change the composition of ores almost daily.
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Dagle
Minmatar
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
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Posted - 2006.08.17 05:23:00 -
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You're right I missed a zero. My apologies.
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