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Dmitri Dracov
Deep Space Trade and Prospect
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Posted - 2014.10.08 10:40:00 -
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I was wondering if POCO's are worth owning financially. As I know nothing about P.I I don't know if certain planets are better then others and the few people I speak to in game who have interactions with POCO's tell me they take over 12 months to recoup the initial outlay. Yet on the other hand I've read that RvB has fought big battles over them. So are they actually profitable or just something to wave your epeen over? |
EVIL SYNNs
Evil Turtles Chelonaphobia
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Posted - 2014.10.08 10:49:00 -
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Fights in space, away from stations and gates... Whats not to like? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2014.10.08 11:09:00 -
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Lowsec player chiming in. This depends entirely on how you use them. The groups telling you it takes 12 months to recoup the investment are likely large PVP entities that do not use their own POCO's to any great effect, and expect lesser entities to actually pony up their taxes. Those that actually do, usually prove to be easy prey for locals stalking POCO's owned by the competition. I'm not surprised it takes a year under these conditions.
You can either think that tax income - poco cost = profit, but then you don't take into account the ISK you save with 0% import / export tax. It's hard to compare because you'd have to take into account your local alternatives. Say local taxes lie in between 5 and 10 percent: thats a few million per day you save on import / export costs on pure factory planets. Per character. So with 10 people doing import/export PI in your corp your can recoup the actual cost of a POCO in mere days in exchange for some effort. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
510
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Posted - 2014.10.08 14:29:00 -
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I have to agree with Inxentas: I think a lot of people do their POCO math wrong. It all depends on how many people you know are using the planet. If your corp has a bunch of characters all wanting to use the same planet, that's very solid information and a POCO can generate a lot of profit (in the form of savings) in that situation. But if you're only putting one up hoping to collect taxes on others who may be using the planet, it's much more hit or miss. You have no way of knowing with certainty how many people are using the planet, nor any control over whether they leave, stay active, etc.
TL;DR: POCOs will more reliably save you ISK on your own PI operations than they will generate ISK on the PI operations of others.
Barren and Terrestrial planets generally make the best POCO locations, since they are the only ones that can support the highest level of manufacturing. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.10.08 14:55:00 -
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The short answer is yes, they are. That is, if you are able to keep them. Fortunately for the game (but sometimes unfortunate for the previous owners) it's not uncommon that war declarations are made for the sole purpose of acquiring ownership of the POCO's held by the defenders.
That said, if you are able to defend and keep them, in the mid to long term they can make you a quite considerable amount of Isk in the form of a steady (passive) income stream. Of course this is also dependant on the type of planet your POCO orbits and the amount of PI others/you yourself are doing there. Then again, having a POCO orbiting a Temperate planet with loads of PI going on, also cranks up the risk of getting wardecced for it, so choose wisely...
Edit: The two posts above mine also contain very solid noteworthy advice! ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2151
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:00:00 -
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The answer varies, depending on the resources the planet can offer and how many people are making use of it.
In High Sec, where the planets have the lowest concentrations of resources -- and thus generally considered "poor" -- you will need alot more players using that planet than a much "richer" planet in Low Sec, or, best of all, WH space or Null space.
Weigh that against how long you are willing to WAIT to get your return on your investment... and the answer will begin to present itself.
Many people base this type of decision on exactly that: HOW LONG before the investment (of the POCO's) is recovered and the revenues can actually be considered as "profit".
YMMV
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:47:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:The short answer is yes, they are. That is, if you are able to keep them Beaten to it, I was about to post the exact same thing.
Tax rates are important too, RvB POCO tax rate is circa 5% for neutrals, which is reasonable and attracts Joe Public, and their money. I've see other corps set their POCO tax rates at 15-25+% in highsec to repel, and use the planet themselves, or gouge Joe Public. The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Mixu Paatelainen
Brutal Deluxe.
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Posted - 2014.10.08 17:22:00 -
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As alluded to, they're a good way of generating conflict, but the actual isk you get out of them is pretty poor. |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.08 18:08:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:The short answer is yes, they are. That is, if you are able to keep them. Fortunately for the game (but sometimes unfortunate for the previous owners) it's not uncommon that war declarations are made for the sole purpose of acquiring ownership of the POCO's held by the defenders. That said, if you are able to defend and keep them, in the mid to long term they can make you a quite considerable amount of Isk in the form of a steady (passive) income stream. Of course this is also dependant on the type of planet your POCO orbits and the amount of PI others/you yourself are doing there. Then again, having a POCO orbiting a Temperate planet with loads of PI going on, also cranks up the risk of getting wardecced for it, so choose wisely... Edit: The two posts above mine also contain very solid noteworthy advice!
I thought you were able to dodge the wardec still by transferring ownership before the wardec takes effect? Am I incorrect in saying this? However in terms of the POCOs yes they are worth it. As a small corporation or a small alliance they will net you a decent amount of isk. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2014.10.08 18:21:00 -
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Please specify what you mean by actual ISK? The way I see it, POCOs provide a fully passive corp income through import and export taxations. They also provide semi-passive income streams for corp members, or even blues, depending on your settings. This is in line with things like ratting: the most benefit is for the singular player, and the corp gets a small slice of the pie everytime an action happens. Again, if you are depending on taxations only your ROI is going to take forever. Especially with a bunch of pirates like us shooting people off POCOs we do not own. Larger entities may be able to take and hold the POCOs, but the locals are capable of coercing clientele and know exactly what POCOs are in the hands of nullsec shell corps.
By the way, jump changes are on their way. Just to inform you that it's going to be expensive for said corps to keep dropping on a handfull of ships each and every day, while locals can practicly poop out semi-AFK drone- and laserboats on daily basis. I'm expecting lowsec to burn after Phoebe has been released, it might be a nice time to carve a little POCO empire for yourself at the time. Not trying to get you to rally behind someone's flag here though, not at all... but Harry Forever would have a field day with this release ha ha |
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