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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:23:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Also, to everyone who was wondering whether or not I listened, I read 4000 freaking posts by myself. Whether or not I agreed with the concerns was an open question, but I hope it was obvious from my posting that I was paying attention! *Some* of us are stronk enough neckbeards to do all 403 pages. And we don't even get paid for it!
Solid changes, and while I would have preferred not to special-case JFs, I understand if was likely too much of a shock to nullsec logistics at this point. Good to see that you're looking at revisiting the issue as you continue to address nullsec industry.
Question: Do the jump portal bonuses for covert cynos and the inustrial bonus for blockade runners stack? In other words, does bridging a Blockade Runner via a BLOPS BS generate 5% of the usual fatigue, rather than 10%? Might create some very interesting ninja logistics options.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:26:00 -
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Yroc Jannseen wrote:If losing the drone bonus means getting a range bonus, I think most rorqual pilots would be happy with that. Nobody puts them in belts anyways. Folks might not be currently putting them in belts, but post-nerf they'd make great hotdroppers. 90% fatigue reduction, high EHP, 1k DPS and spider tank to boot. We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:45:00 -
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Marius Noragol wrote:Logistics would be one thing that would create a lot of content. I was picturing forming fleets to escort a convoi of freighters and other fleets jumping in to gank and kill said freighters. This is likely coming down the pipe, but apparently according to CCP nullsec industry won't be able to cope in the 4 weeks between now and the proposed changes. Fortunately, given the 6 week cycle, CCP can impose any changes they choose in 6 more weeks. Hell, they could even progressively nerf JF range patch by patch - say 10LY now, then 8, then 6.5 and finally 5. That would give folks plenty of time to adjust and allow nullsec industry to ramp up more slowly. We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
Veskrashen
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:59:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Maybe these changes will accomplish something to break up the stagnation of null. With this watered down version it is hard to tell. I doubt it. The JF nerfs would have hit null like a truck. Yeah, really wish they'd kept them in, or at least kept the JF range shorter than BLOPS range. Nullsec logistics is too easy atm.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:09:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Resubbing my 27 separate hauling accounts! You are the BEST CCP! /lolpost So THAT'S how you move all those Derptronz!!!!
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:42:00 -
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Tikitina wrote:Obunagawe wrote:Since Titans and Supercarriers can now use gates it seems only fair to allow them to dock at stations. I don't agree with this to be honest. They can be parked in a CSMA. CCP just needs to fix the role/rights thing. Especially since moving station - station is what makes JFs so hard to interdict. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to allow risk-free movement for supercapitals. We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:46:00 -
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Aerich e'Kieron wrote:It just sucks that even though you say you're not happy with nullsec industry and are looking to change it, you somehow manage to decide to revert the changes that would have helped, to be nothing more than a very minor inconvenience, remove basically any extra risk that may have came with the original proposal, and slow them down hardly at all.
Basically, leaving them not significantly effected by this. A slight slap on the wrist as if to say "We watching you, even if we we're not going to do anything!" I wish they would have been able to do it all in one go, but CCP has better access to the data than we do, and better access to the guys that actually run the null blocs. I'm betting that things were de-nerfed because of that. I'm also pretty confident that it had a lot more to do with nullsec resource availability than anything else - CCP Greyscale's OP in this thread clearly stated that they're not happy with how nullsec logistics is currently done, but that systems aren't in place that would have allowed nullsec to function with a 5LY JF.
It sucks, and it really sucks that those of us who were most excited about the implications of such a severe logistics nerf got their shiny toy taken away. It also means that they can't ***** when the changes DO come through.
It'll happen, just ain't happening now. We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
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Posted - 2014.10.09 20:07:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Evelgrivion wrote:Well... where do you want nullsec industry to be? Somewhere where we feel comfortable nerfing JFs further :P We're not in a position to discuss details right now, but people building a significant percentage of their basic needs on-site without relying on JF chains is likely to figure in the final intention. Does this mean actually building a significant percentage or capable of building a significant percentage based on locally sourced goods or raw materials reasonably imported from Empire?
Otherwise, folks will just keep importing finished goods and no nerf ever comes.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
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