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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:02:00 -
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Question: what do these agents really do for the game besides provide intel at no expense?
If you had to grind for the standings to use one I feel sorry for you, you sad person. Guys like me achieved the standings by proxy of doing other activities that all built up.
I don't personally use locator agents but I used to while doing wardecs and I see them frequently used for the task of finding people in lieu of actually undocking and scouting for the target. If CCPs recent efforts to make EVE feel big again are to be completely rounded off, then locator agents need to be dismissed from duty to add some real value to living in space as a fugitive or person of interest.
I'll state this in the clearest of terms: locator agents provide YOU with convenience. If the target is valuable enough to hunt down and kill then you will still go looking for him/her. Locator agents should at best provide a constellation level of intel and not the precise location of an individual. Assuming they're still around when the dust settles.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1572
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:15:00 -
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You'll have to refresh my memory on how one increases standings other than missions. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:28:00 -
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Ditto, If there was another way to grind standings for locater agents, please let me know, I'd rather not do missions if at all possible. #DeleteTheWeak |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:40:00 -
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Someone used a game mechanic to find me during wardec WAHH...
Locator agents have been part of eve for years, get over it.
HTFU Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few Break-A-Wish Foundation
32
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Posted - 2014.10.10 08:11:00 -
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What did your mission running alt lose out of curiosity? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10770
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Posted - 2014.10.10 08:48:00 -
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It's not at no expense. One has to grind missions standings for them, which for a normal human being is kind of a horrible thing to do.
Furthermore ... wrong subforum.
This belongs into the grave of F&I. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Vyl Vit
851
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Posted - 2014.10.10 09:18:00 -
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Station tattle-tales. If we could walk around in stations, and had a bar, then we could just bribe the bar tender, or beat him up if he doesn't rat somebody out. How like real life this all becomes, eventually. Or, was that a movie? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
365
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:15:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:You'll have to refresh my memory on how one increases standings other than missions.
You aren't thinking big enough. Share missions, loot and salvage. You get half the standings increase and boost their income substantially. Do this for 2-3 mission runners simultaneously and you'll be suprised how quickly you can make a mint and the required standings.
But that's not a new trick.
There are other ways too. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Nevil Oscillator
10
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:58:00 -
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Locator Agent: You pay them, they tell you where a character is, 5 minutes later you pay them again, they tell you that guy you just upset on the forum is 5 jumps closer. How exactly do you find that information from scouting ? Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:24:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:You'll have to refresh my memory on how one increases standings other than missions. words words words A simple "you can't" would have sufficed. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
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Hengle Teron
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2571
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:21:00 -
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change them so the agent won't tell you the target's location, but the number of jumps he's away |
Victor Andall
762
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:30:00 -
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What exactly is the point of this thread aside from OP bragging about having better pokemon or some ****, I couldn't follow? I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget. |
Hengle Teron
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2571
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:40:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:What exactly is the point of this thread aside from OP bragging about having better pokemon or some ****, I couldn't follow? Its too easy to find people when you don't have to look through 1000s of systems |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:47:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Victor Andall wrote:What exactly is the point of this thread aside from OP bragging about having better pokemon or some ****, I couldn't follow? Its too easy to find people when you don't have to look through 1000s of systems I agree.
Instead of the broken mechanic, CasualyCausedPanic should tripple the amount of locator agents and implement your idea.
That way they would tripple the amount of alts and people would start learning trigonometry to triangulate the position of a capsuleer.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Hengle Teron
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2572
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:02:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Victor Andall wrote:What exactly is the point of this thread aside from OP bragging about having better pokemon or some ****, I couldn't follow? Its too easy to find people when you don't have to look through 1000s of systems I agree. Instead of the broken mechanic, CasualyCausedPanic should tripple the amount of locator agents and implement your idea. That way they would tripple the amount of alts and people would start learning trigonometry to triangulate the position of a capsuleer. Hm triple the standings grind...
Sounds very fun :) |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:16:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:You'll have to refresh my memory on how one increases standings other than missions. words words words A simple "you can't" would have sufficed.
Missions I mine are free? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6396
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:33:00 -
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Forget locator agents.
I've found that if you just ask people nicely, they'll be more than happy to tell you where they are.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1730
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:34:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Hengle Teron
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2572
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:38:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Forget locator agents. I've found that if you just ask people nicely, they'll be more than happy to tell you where they are. Mr Epeen or if you ask really nice, they will come to you |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6396
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:44:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Forget locator agents. I've found that if you just ask people nicely, they'll be more than happy to tell you where they are. Mr Epeen or if you ask really nice, they will come to you
Even better.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
521
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Posted - 2014.10.10 16:11:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Question: what do these agents really do for the game besides provide intel at no expense?
If you had to grind for the standings to use one I feel sorry for you, you sad person. Guys like me achieved the standings by proxy of doing other activities that all built up.
I don't personally use locator agents but I used to while doing wardecs and I see them frequently used for the task of finding people in lieu of actually undocking and scouting for the target. If CCPs recent efforts to make EVE feel big again are to be completely rounded off, then locator agents need to be dismissed from duty to add some real value to living in space as a fugitive or person of interest.
I'll state this in the clearest of terms: locator agents provide YOU with convenience. If the target is valuable enough to hunt down and kill then you will still go looking for him/her. Locator agents should at best provide a constellation level of intel and not the precise location of an individual. Assuming they're still around when the dust settles.
Your basic premise is flawed. They provide intel for people who have earned standing with their corporation for a notional fee. It is not "free intel" in that you have to both earn the standings and pay for the location. Given here is also a cooldown timer on how often you can use a particular agent (I don't know how long of one, but I do know that you can't use the same agent twice within a few minutes), at best it gives you a starting point for your search. If your target isn't moving, it will also happen to be where you find them.
I use locator agents regularly to find war targets and potential war targets and quite often I end up having to do some searching on my own to find them, especially if I happened to locate them while they were traveling somewhere. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Iain Cariaba
470
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:23:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:... frequently used for the task of finding people in lieu of actually undocking and scouting for the target... Because it is sooooo easy to find someone in the thousands of systems that make up EvE. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
153
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:10:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Forget locator agents. I've found that if you just ask people nicely, they'll be more than happy to tell you where they are. Mr Epeen or if you ask really nice, they will come to you Even better. Mr Epeen
What about when you don't want them to know that you are coming? |
Tiirz
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:04:00 -
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If easy/free intel were to be addressed, removing or tweaking local would be a much better start. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:32:00 -
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I personally think locator agents should be removed with the upcoming jump changes.
Large fleets of supers moving "secretly" to a new staging point shouldn't be discoverable by an alt near Jita with a week of standings grinding.
If they have someone watching in system, sure, but not remotely (IMO). |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5479
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:41:00 -
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Locator agents capable of reporting the position of entities in null sec to a person sitting in or around Jita will take about 15 minutes to provide a report.
The only changes I'd make to locator agents is to make the location that they report based on the target's location at some random point within the interval, and perhaps introduce error (i.e.: report that the target was seen in Jita 4-4 CBT, when they were actually in Jita 4-4 CN).
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Nevil Oscillator
13
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:08:00 -
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I quite like the idea of using connections to track someone, it would be better if it was a little more involved and where some activities leave more of a trail than others depending on the in game method you use to track them.
Everything your character does could potentially be traceable but tracing does need to be kept to a workable level of complexity, it is very simple at the moment, that saves game time. Espionage could provide a lot more information than just character location but how far do you want to go with it ? Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
366
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:10:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:... frequently used for the task of finding people in lieu of actually undocking and scouting for the target... Because it is sooooo easy to find someone in the thousands of systems that make up EvE.
What is an intel network https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
101
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:37:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:... frequently used for the task of finding people in lieu of actually undocking and scouting for the target... Because it is sooooo easy to find someone in the thousands of systems that make up EvE. What is an intel network So by your reasonning, one needs a network of hundreds, if not thousand of scouts reporting all the time to be efficient at finding a specific target. I see how CCP would enjoy to have you and your buddies as paying customers... Forsaken Asylum's ways |
Nevil Oscillator
14
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Posted - 2014.10.11 12:19:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:[quote=Iain Cariaba]
What is an intel network
It can be one of two things or both
1 Something the players create themselves
2 Something an NPC provides
This OP is about whether the second one is too easy and people should only use the first.
Personally I think the opposite is the case as the first one often relies on things that wouldn't exist in the game scenario such as a forum where capsuleers discuss game mechanics. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
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