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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:32:00 -
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So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6761
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:34:00 -
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It's a Jovian Miracle.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6419
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:35:00 -
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If you can't put up a cloak before you get locked, then you should just find another module to put in that slot.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Iain Cariaba
497
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:36:00 -
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Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:38:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2038
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:41:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing.
Because balance. That's really all it is. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:42:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. Because balance. That's really all it is. You said Balance in a cloak thread hahahaha. |
Jace Sarice
Caldari State
15580
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:48:00 -
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This thread has potential. |
Iain Cariaba
500
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:59:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. Oh look there, you just answered your own question. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
15152
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:06:00 -
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Because game design > player whine.
The comment earlier about cloaking any time someone was going to lose a fight is exactly right. Not all fights are conducted at brawling range, so a cloaked ship could easily evade being decloaked and just warp off. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:06:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Because otherwise any time someone with a cloak started to lose a fight, they would simply cloak up and warp away to safety. No this is not a cloak and be gone thread its a why does this happen, also if someone is locked they have there position so cloaking afterwards does nothing. Oh look there, you just answered your own question. How in any way does this answer my own question. Please read and understand before posting, targeting and being locked are 2 different things yes? OK so how does targeting someone prevent someone from cloaking? Also even after being targeted you should be allowed to cloak doesn't mean you can cloak and now can't be attacked, look at tactical targeting systems of today. You can target & Lock someones position and lose them but still shoot them. So now back to the original question please. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
192
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:06:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism.
Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really. |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:08:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism. Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really. Once again targeting not Locked on.
Also how do visual and sonar systems work them? HMM. You do not need to send a signal to receive one and lock on to it. Look at submarines. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
15152
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:13:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:How in any way does this answer my own question. I think it was pretty clear how you provided an answer to your own question.
You commented that cloaking would have no benefit since position would be known, so therefore, no need to be able to cloak in the first place.
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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:16:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Hades Dark wrote:How in any way does this answer my own question. I think it was pretty clear how you provided an answer to your own question. You commented that cloaking would have no benefit since position would be known, so therefore, no need to be able to cloak in the first place. once again that's about being locked on, not being targeted meaning in the process of being locked but you will continue to read and post only what you want to see and not the whole picture. So please refrain yourself from my post thank you. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5651
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:17:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment
[Citation Needed]
In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct? |
DarHammer Podesta
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:20:00 -
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I believe your the one not seeing the whole picture because your looking at a single game mechanic and refuse to consider the rest in relation to it. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
717
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:22:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
EvE is a submarine simulator and is only very loosely based on real physics. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
192
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:23:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Milan Nantucket wrote:Hades Dark wrote:So why and how does targeting someone prevent cloak? Really I do not understand this concept at all. A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment but yet when your targeted in EVE you can't use cloak due to what? Also I should be able to cloak regardless if there is someone tracking me or not because unless something is preventing me from using that module then really how can they? Well the theory is when a tracking computer get a lock it maintains the lock with a wave of energy... sort of like a radio wave. The wave is strong when the lock is made due to it being focused on that one target.... well the side effect is it disrupts the cloaking mechanism. Cloaking isnt magical invisible... its a field that reflects the energy on one side to its counter side. Light is energy, so to the eye it is invisible. It cant handle the waves made from targetting computers and hence cant cloak... simple science really. Once again targeting not Locked on. Also how do visual and sonar systems work them? HMM. You do not need to send a signal to receive one and lock on to it. Look at submarines. I looked for a sonar module and didnt see one. This is Jovian Science so if you want to use the less technologically advanced science and theories then find a way through the eden gate and go back to earth where submarines exist. |
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Hades Dark
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:25:00 -
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DarHammer Podesta wrote:I believe your the one not seeing the whole picture because your looking at a single game mechanic and refuse to consider the rest in relation to it. Really because I am trying to talk about the targeting part which is between having knowledge of where they are and having there location locked (which means your system has processed all the data to come up with a correct and accurate firing solution). So to make it clear when your screen shows that flashing yellow icon meaning your being targeted not completely locked, How does it prevent your system from cloaking your ship? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
15152
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:28:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct? Hahaha what. Earth physics.
Let's start with the earth physics explanation of a cloak on a spaceship in the first place.
I'll admit, I don't have a clear handle on the real physics behind cloaking massive structures flying around in space. Maybe you can help me OP. Then we can look at how targeting systems might interfere with that, once we know how it works.
Or maybe we can just go with the, this is a game, not RL and it's a game mechanic. Nothing more than game design and not based on real physics at all.
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Jace Sarice
Caldari State
15641
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:30:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
No.
And no. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1574
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:31:00 -
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TIL none of visual, radar or sonar target aquisition involve anything hitting the target and bouncing off.
If you're really autisic enough to need a lore explanation for game balance, how about that maybe someone somewhere thought of including something which intentionally disrupts cloaks in the targeting system? Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Jace Sarice
Caldari State
15641
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:31:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Hades Dark wrote:Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct? Hahaha what. Earth physics. Let's start with the earth physics explanation of a cloak on a spaceship in the first place. I'll admit, I don't have a clear handle on the real physics behind cloaking massive structures flying around in space. Maybe you can help me OP. Then we can look at how targeting systems might interfere with that, once we know how it works. Or maybe we can just go with the, this is a game, not RL and it's a game mechanic. Nothing more than game design and not based on real physics at all.
Scip, it's the unicorns. They do the cloaking. Silly. |
DarHammer Podesta
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:38:00 -
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Oh I did not notice you were looking for a lore explanation. Lore has very little interest to me in games, Its purely to stop people from fleeing in a large number of fights cloaking ships can get involved in.
Twist the lore to suit as you wish. I am no story teller. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2901
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:48:00 -
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Real world radar systems on aircraft have two modes: scanning and locked. When scanning a target is only illuminated with radar every now and then. When locked, the radar is directed at the target exclusively, resulting it being almost continuously illuminated.
So the best explanation is that the cloaks we use can handle blocking the occasional scan, but a continuous scan is sufficiently disrupting that the cloak fails. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few Break-A-Wish Foundation
34
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:38:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:So to make it clear when your screen shows that flashing yellow icon meaning your being targeted not completely locked, How does it prevent your system from cloaking your ship?
Flashing yellow means that the person has acquired a lock on you, not that they are in the process of targeting you.
You cannot cloak when someone has a lock on you because that's the way the game designers implemented the mechanic. So please shut the **** up with your whining and either go away or at least link your loss mail so that this thread is actually slightly interesting. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5651
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:40:00 -
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Hades Dark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hades Dark wrote:A targeting system pinpoints a mass using visual, radar, sonar. It no way sends anything that disturbs any equipment [Citation Needed] In other words, from what source are you basing your idea that targeting works like that in EVE. Well when this game bases its stuff off earth physics meaning mass and speed etc. One could assume targeting would fall into that category to correct?
So you say Earth physics says that spaceships have maximum speeds, go about as fast as a Cessna, turn like they're going through corn syrup, and stop when they turn their engines off?
Which Earth are you from?
And no, you cannot assume that things in EVE work the same as they do in the real world just because some of the names of things are the same. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Nevil Oscillator
16
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Posted - 2014.10.12 01:55:00 -
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From what I can gather, this is a question about the rational explanation. So..
2 science fiction pieces of equipment - Targeting System - Cloaking Device
TS = Something connected with radar and unknown variants of a similar thing
CD = Limited stability, stops to function when another ship is within close proximity.
Sounds consistent enough to me. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
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