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Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:13:00 -
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Petrified wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:Give outpost owners the option to destroy their own outposts in order to deny the enemy access to the outpost. Anything inside will be destroyed. Players inside will be podded (or forced to undock).
To prevent attackers from destroying your assets too fast after conquering the station just use a timer. The self-destruction process should take 168 hours, and be possible to cancel it within the first 2 hours.
Scenario 1: an invading force is about to conquer the outpost, self-destruction is started. 2 hours later the outpost is conquered but the self-destruction process is unavoidable. After 1 week, enough to take your own assets out, the outpost self-destructs and the attackers will need to build their own outpost if they want one.
Scenario 2: an invading force conquers the outpost and wants to destroy your assets. You have 1 week to get your assets out and the attackers cannot stop the self-destruction. This makes it very unattractive for an invading force to destroy an outpost because the chances of destroying assets is small, while the loss is huge.
EDIT: also make it a HUGE explosion, I like fireworks. Scenario 3: Awoxer gets into appropriate corp position and pushes the Big Red Button - on all outposts he can get to. While I like the overall idea of allowing them to be destructible, the main draw back is that it might have the opposite effect and create a disincentive to keep things in the station and thus have an incentive to re-take the station.
The solution to that has been laid out in the posts above. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13630
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:14:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:Bertral wrote:Please stop posting. Thanks. A goon crying. Means I'm on the right track.
We would abuse the living **** out of this with spies. Don't give us these kinds of tools. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:Bertral wrote:Please stop posting. Thanks. A goon crying. Means I'm on the right track. We would abuse the living **** out of this with spies. Don't give us these kinds of tools.
It only worked with Band of Brothers. Now the universe has wised up and started using holding corporations. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2963
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:19:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:
The solution to that has been laid out in the posts above.
Scenario 4: Someone who does have the relevant access, for whatever reason, pushes the button as they flip sides/peace out of the game/are drunk. Just like what happened to BoB. And goonfleet. And however many other groups this happened to. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
47
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:19:00 -
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no, no....its i think your approach to typing up an idea and how the community perspective is.
You will see i have disagreed with you on at least one other of your postings. This though i decided to be a bit more constructive on because I believe some changes are desperaty needed in several areas. I may never ever return to nullsec on any of my characters....but i believe to fix some things...we as a community need to fix highsec as the lower newbish area its supposed to be still fraguht with some danger..... But to fix highsec....we need to fix nullsec....not fixing nullsec and making it engaging, mysterious, wonderous, and fun again I strongly believe will eventually kill EvE. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13630
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:19:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:Bertral wrote:Please stop posting. Thanks. A goon crying. Means I'm on the right track. We would abuse the living **** out of this with spies. Don't give us these kinds of tools. It only worked with Band of Brothers. Now the universe has wised up and started using holding corporations.
Which have also been nuked.
GIA will get access to other peoples stations and will push the button. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:Bertral wrote:Please stop posting. Thanks. A goon crying. Means I'm on the right track. We would abuse the living **** out of this with spies. Don't give us these kinds of tools. It only worked with Band of Brothers. Now the universe has wised up and started using holding corporations. Which have also been nuked. GIA will get access to other peoples stations and will push the button.
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13630
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:25:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it.
Revoke docking rights, remove everyone from corp.
No matter how you try here we will get in and Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
47
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:25:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it.
hmmm, honestly i think 168 hrs is a little harsh....72 hrs as once stated earlier should be more than sufficient i think. As im sure an SD wouldnt be intiated by a CEO and a Director unless they were sure they were going to lose it. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
47
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it.
Revoke docking rights, remove everyone from corp. No matter how you try here we will get in, **** you over, spin you around and go in for seconds.
could be very true...which is why i proposed the dual password idea to even start one....the password only a CEO knows. and the one for Directors.
Hostile take over of corps could possibly circumvent this i guess....unless such a CEO is intelligent enough to kepp all the shares to himself. |
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Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
5
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it.
Revoke docking rights, remove everyone from corp. No matter how you try here we will get in, **** you over, spin you around and go in for seconds.
Prove it. I want you to disband Nulli Secunda, you have 24 hours. If you succeed, hats off we won't be making outposts destructible. If not then you are full of **** and the idea goes forward. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2963
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Posted - 2014.10.15 22:06:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it.
Revoke docking rights, remove everyone from corp. No matter how you try here we will get in, **** you over, spin you around and go in for seconds. Prove it. I want you to disband Nulli Secunda, you have 24 hours. If you succeed, hats off we won't be making outposts destructible. If not then you are full of **** and the idea goes forward.
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
251
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Posted - 2014.10.15 22:13:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:and the idea goes forward.
How odd, you don't seem to have a Dev tag next to your name
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13630
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Posted - 2014.10.15 22:49:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it.
Revoke docking rights, remove everyone from corp. No matter how you try here we will get in, **** you over, spin you around and go in for seconds. Prove it. I want you to disband Nulli Secunda, you have 24 hours. If you succeed, hats off we won't be making outposts destructible. If not then you are full of **** and the idea goes forward.
Possibly one of the most idiotic arguments made.
EVE history is scattered with the corpses of alliances and corps that were killed from the inside. Hell we even did it to ourselves. You put this in and we will end up nuking an enemies staging station. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Miner Amarr
No Risk No ISK
5
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Posted - 2014.10.15 22:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:
Well it takes at least a week to SD the outpost, plenty of time to stop it.
Revoke docking rights, remove everyone from corp. No matter how you try here we will get in, **** you over, spin you around and go in for seconds. Prove it. I want you to disband Nulli Secunda, you have 24 hours. If you succeed, hats off we won't be making outposts destructible. If not then you are full of **** and the idea goes forward. Possibly one of the most idiotic arguments made. EVE history is scattered with the corpses of alliances and corps that were killed from the inside. Hell we even did it to ourselves. You put this in and we will end up nuking an enemies staging station.
lol how pathetic |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13630
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Posted - 2014.10.15 23:23:00 -
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Miner Amarr wrote:
lol how pathetic
So you are saying it is impossible for us to infiltrate/have a director defect from one of our enemies and nuke their station despite a decade of people managing to infiltrate/have a director defect and nuke entire regions worth of systems?
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
512
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Posted - 2014.10.16 04:07:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Miner Amarr wrote:
lol how pathetic
So you are saying it is impossible for us to infiltrate/have a director defect from one of our enemies and nuke their station despite a decade of people managing to infiltrate/have a director defect and nuke entire regions worth of systems?
You new friend confuses me. He has a 5+ year old char...but doesn't seem to know his eve history.
They may need to google just how the Goons vs BoB war ended.
Remember Bobby? One day he woke up, did his usual morning things then said I know what I am going to do today. And killed Atlas with a few button clicks. Also showed titans 4 you to be the scam many predicted by taking the isk. Give Bobby credit, he went all out to making people unhappy when he put his mind to it. Bobby was not even an infiltrator or defector. As I heard it he just got really disgruntled one day and said screw it.
Take away is you kind of want the stations to not be killed off. I was in IT for example. And when kartoon was bill paying impaired I heard many happy fleet mates saying how great it was to get their stuff back as we reclaimed delve and quelrious (spelling I know, hated the area and cba to look it up). As they lost access when (grrr) goons killed the BoB alliance off.
Well that and I sure as hell don't want another person following in Bobby's footsteps and killing stations off just because they are in a bad mood lol. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
297
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Posted - 2014.10.16 07:42:00 -
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So why only possible to cancel the timer during the first 2h? I mean with that kind of scenario you could ninja an outpost during, say, sov transfer, initiate the timer, hold the post for 2h and it would no longer matter if the owners come back in force next day and take it back?
In general I have a feeling this things is not properly thought through. Number of issues related to the destructible outposts have been discussed in one of the first threads where dev's announced their plan to make outposts destructible: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=351648
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
309
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Posted - 2014.10.16 10:31:00 -
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Sigras wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, if I'm unsubbed and someone blows the outpost I have all my crap in, what reason do I have to ever come back to the game? If you put all your eggs in one basket like that what reason does CCP have for protecting your stupidity?
They want EVE to continue to pay their bills?
There's a difference between making a game hard and actively antagonizing your players. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
61
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Posted - 2014.10.16 21:16:00 -
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hey look it was an accident okay... That and i dont think my buddy wants to pay that kinda isk again when i have no more beef with them...
They whacked me i hit back (if by accident) and then it was fair... |
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