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ShadowandLight
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2014.10.12 15:36:57 -
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I present 2 typical fits used in 0.0 fleets.
720mm Art. Loki http://i.imgur.com/FyzJ4SY.png
250mm Rail Tengu http://i.imgur.com/8NC5KKK.png
I cant help but notice the huge disparity in tanks.
You can make a much tankier Loki, but not with fitting its intended longer range (and higher alpha) weapon system.
I know tech 3's in general need attention, but shouldnt these 2 ships more closely match up in EHP / Resists?
http://eveservers.info/index.php?topic=123.msg126#new
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
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Posted - 2014.10.12 15:52:49 -
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Should two completely different ships, with two completely different fits using two completely different tanking styles closely match up in EHP/Resists ?
No, they shouldn't. |
ShadowandLight
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
281
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Posted - 2014.10.12 15:56:28 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Should two completely different ships, with two completely different fits using two completely different tanking styles closely match up in EHP/Resists ?
No, they shouldn't.
im not suggesting they be exact
but within the ballpark
http://eveservers.info/index.php?topic=123.msg126#new
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:08:19 -
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when it comes to t3s I wonder if anything was intentional
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:10:00 -
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At twice the range and twice the speed, it can be argued that the Loki doesn't need as much tank. It just needs to be flown differently.
That said.... I wish the Loki was a little better for PvE. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:10:53 -
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At twice the range and twice the speed, 3 times the alpha, it can be argued that the Loki doesn't need as much tank. It just needs to be flown differently.
That said.... I wish the Loki was a little better for PvE. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:14:20 -
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i like how the 90km optimal can lock out to 150km while the 130km optimal can only lock to 80km loki have mwd tengu have AB maybe if you fit them the same way the results will be closer |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
887
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:22:20 -
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I feel an impending "Nerf the Tengu" thread here.
Perhaps even a "Rail Tengu is OP !"
Please stop now |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:26:35 -
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Fascinating! When you sh*tfit a loki it doesn't perform very well. Who knew?
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ShadowandLight
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:41:20 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:Fascinating! When you sh*tfit a loki it doesn't perform very well. Who knew?
can you show a better example of a long range loki?
http://eveservers.info/index.php?topic=123.msg126#new
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ShadowandLight
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:50:51 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I feel an impending "Nerf the Tengu" thread here. Perhaps even a "Rail Tengu is OP !" Please stop now
I like tengus, but I think Loki's could use a buff
http://eveservers.info/index.php?topic=123.msg126#new
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Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.12 17:33:49 -
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Tengu is Eagle on steroids. How do that loki compare to a Munnin ? |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:41:02 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:I present 2 typical fits used in 0.0 fleets.
CFC Tengu okay, but what is that Lokifit? You should seriously spank your leadership for that.
Using a rather normal arty loki with a 1600mm plate:
Quote:[Loki, 720 fleet]
Gyrostabilizer II Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener True Sansha Energized Explosive Membrane Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II 10MN Afterburner II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
You got 105k ehp, 145k fleeted. Sigradius is 130m against a tengu's 260m, that's one difference.
That aside, Loki's lacking buffer-sub makes this happen - together with the awkward slot layout.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.10.13 10:13:32 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:I present 2 typical fits used in 0.0 fleets. 720mm Art. Loki http://i.imgur.com/FyzJ4SY.png250mm Rail Tengu http://i.imgur.com/8NC5KKK.pngI cant help but notice the huge disparity in tanks. You can make a much tankier Loki, but not with fitting its intended longer range (and higher alpha) weapon system. I know tech 3's in general need attention, but shouldnt these 2 ships more closely match up in EHP / Resists?
The tengu and Proteus are the only real COMBAT T3. The loki is more an utility ship. Without its web bonuses no one would use them. The legion or oksih, but cannot do impressive things as the Tengu and proteus.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
612
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Posted - 2014.10.13 14:32:54 -
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RavenPaine wrote:I feel an impending "Nerf the Tengu" thread here. Perhaps even a "Rail Tengu is OP !" Please stop now
It is OP. But every 0.0 alliance uses it so they wont scream about it since the alternatives involve Legions and Ishtars - or Battleships which are balls right now.
To Balance T3's, BS need a rework. A real rework, modules included. |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
113
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Posted - 2014.10.14 03:37:36 -
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That Loki fit is a troll, right? I have a hard time believing someone would deliberately fly that in a fleet. |
Brylan Grey
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.14 07:00:20 -
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I don't wven T3 and still think it dumb to compare T3 fits.
Figure out how you like to fly.
Figure out modules and guns you like.
Choose skills for that.
Choose T3 for that.
Profit.
Period. Seriously.
Why don't you ask why a tengu beats a legion when both are equit with missile launchers.
Or why a Loki can't use lasers as well as a legion.
If my eyes could roll any faster, we could make a power source out of them to supply Eroupe. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
266
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:24:36 -
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This just in:
If you use 7 slots for your tank instead of 4, you get a better tank! Also: 800mm plate dont give immense amounts of buffer!
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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:32:07 -
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Not only are there a disproportionate amount of tanking modules, but you are trying to compare a shield tanked versus an armor tank, 3 damage mods versus 2, and no utility slots versus long range web. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.14 19:39:05 -
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Both are going to be nerfed in the t3 rebalance
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.10.15 11:37:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:Both are going to be nerfed in the t3 rebalance Oh my.....SELL EVERYTHING NOW!!!11!1 On a serious note, this will cause butthurt.
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