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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.14 03:29:00 -
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Curious Onlooker wrote: Yes, because we donate to organizations like the red cross, that we have faith in to deliver the supplies to the affected people, which they have a track record of doing where the location is not an active warzone.
So, basically what you are saying, is that since the Red Cross doesn't have the satchel to deliver to people in need because ~safety~, any group who does is automatically untrustworthy? |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 03:30:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:The issue with a drive of PLEX for Good campaign in Syria is that it'll only go to the civilian group supported by the 'good guys' and thereby you'll be choosing sides, wether you want it or not. Are the civilians in need of assistance in the 'goverment controlled' areas the 'good' ones'? Or the civilians in 'rebel controlled areas' the 'good ones'? or maybe the civilians in the IS territories need the aid the most?
And above is why it's bad for CCP to get a PLEX for good going for Syria, because they'll be forced to takes sides, unwillingly, even when they donate to an aid-organisation. With that said, there is plenty of aid-organisations you as individual can support, without CCP acting for you, you can even select which side you believe is 'right' to be supported.
In that respect, an area struck by a natural disaster is much more clear, all civilians are victim of that natural disaster, the only side you got to pick is *help the people affected by the natural disaster.
Do you really think that a natural disaster in a totalitarian regime would be any different than a war zone when it comes to rationing supplies? Yet we send aid anyway. Not because of which side gets it, but because we have faith that people in need will get it. As to giving personally. I do. But donating PLEX through CCP is a lot less painful for many people. You can feed a starving family for the cost of a few hours game time. There are no 'good guys' or 'bad guys'. Those roles are interchangeable depending on what you believe. The only thing you should be considering is do you sit back in your nice home with a full belly and pass judgement? Or do you help people in need? People that one day in the future, you might need aid from. Wars pass. Enemies become friends and friends become enemies. But one thing never changes. Doing good by your fellow human beings can only help in the long run. Mr Epeen
I want to dislike you for your incredibly smug avatar, egotistic and self-absorbed corp name, and the fact that I've never seen you forget to put that damn smiley at the end of a SINGLE post you've written. But I just can't. You speak too much sense.
That being said, I think a lot of people will refrain from donating until the conflict ends and the focus is on the 'rebuilding' portion of the spectrum, not the 'still raging on and blowing **** up and displacing people's lives' portion. Which, is a somewhat valid reason.
But some people are just plain too cynical, and can't see the good in others (though oftentimes there is cause enough for that too).
Unfiltered for the masses.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.10.14 03:31:00 -
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Curious Onlooker wrote:
Yes, because we donate to organizations like the red cross, that we have faith in to deliver the supplies to the affected people, which they have a track record of doing where the location is not an active warzone.
They also have a reputation for doing that in active war zones. Get out of your bubble or stop making **** up. Whichever applies in your case.
Mr Epeen
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.14 04:08:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Curious Onlooker wrote:
Yes, because we donate to organizations like the red cross, that we have faith in to deliver the supplies to the affected people, which they have a track record of doing where the location is not an active warzone.
They also have a reputation for doing that in active war zones. Get out of your bubble or stop making **** up. Whichever applies in your case. Mr Epeen
This warzone is different. At this point any aid worker that enters that warzone is effectively committing suicide. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 05:08:00 -
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I will say that again. Plex financed by ISK is no comittment what so ever. It is the money someone else earned and spent. Buying plex with with money and then donate said plex is rather stupid as you (in case of my country) have to pay 20% tax on it that will nevermind reach anyone in Syria. Donate for the res cross, donate for the red crescent, donate for a know help Organisation but please stop with wasting your or other persons money. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Zyklon Stargazer
The Soldiers of Retribution
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Posted - 2014.10.14 07:26:00 -
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I smell a scam. The money will probably go strait to the terrorists. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.10.14 08:57:00 -
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syria isn't a natural disaster, i'm not inclined to donate anything to it. |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:01:00 -
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PLEX for Ebola would be more suitable in 2014. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Dominique_Vasilkovsky
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:09:00 -
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I would like to address some concerns. While the concerns are, of course, legitimate, many of the mentioned argumentations are not based on realities on the ground.
The Red Cross is a bi-partisan organisation with decades of experience and expertise. It helps people regardless of where they live or what they might think or believe. Humans affected by the Syrian war did not choose to have their homes destroyed, their families murdered and their access to food, water and medical supplies cut off.
If PLEX for GOOD is meant to be a public relations show that does take into consideration prejudice and misinformation, I agree that money should go where the nice pictures come from. The aim, however, is to help people. Maybe it is a bit na+»ve to think it can be done without thinking of how it reflects back on yourself, but I strongly believe that help should be provided.
Although many of us have strong political opinions when it comes to Syria, they do not come into play here. It is not about GÇ£rightGÇ¥ or GÇ£wrongGÇ¥ in a political sense, but in a humanitarian sense that does not judge nor ask about believes and judgements.
When it comes to the PLEX vs. real lief money: Many players are not able to spend their real life money. However, as they can spend some million ISK they are able to contribute to something bigger. It does not mean they will not be able to contribute to the Red Cross directly. It does not mean they will not be able to not to contribute at all. It just enables them to use this different channel. It is still their choice.
The humanitarian crisis in Syria is one of the most devastating of this century. I cannot see why people would not be affected by a suffering human because his suffering was not caused by a volcano, but by a gun. I cannot see why people would argue against helping fellow humans afflicted by horrors that go beyond our believes. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:44:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: The humanitarian crisis in Syria is one of the most devastating of this century. I cannot see why people would not be affected by a suffering human because his suffering was not caused by a volcano, but by a gun. I cannot see why people would argue against helping fellow humans afflicted by horrors that go beyond our believes.
From extensive and direct experience in my own country, the "humanitarian crisis" in conflicts is 100% pure good old fashioned propaganda used exclusively when it's suitable for interests of those who control the media that is reporting about it. When it's not in "the best interest" the humanitarian crisis simply does not exists (is not reported)... or it's called "collateral damage".
And in all conflicts if there is a humanitarian crisis there is at least one involved party that can prevent, stop and/or resolve it with a single political signature on the right piece of paper. You can't do that with a natural disaster. o.0 |
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
170
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:45:00 -
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No chance, not ever.
If you want to do a plex for good how about doing it for the real victims of this...
This guys orphaned children.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/alan-henning-memorial-fund_n_5952784.html
He was trying to deliver aid and paid the ultimate price.
Someone knows exactly where this happened and where the others are being held, the same people you want to raise plex for.....
Why on earth would anyone want to support people who give massive assistance and shelter to these terrorists by remaining silent?
NO. |
Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
557
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:56:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Someone knows exactly where this happened and where the others are being held, the same people you want to raise plex for.....
Why on earth would anyone want to support people who give massive assistance and shelter to these terrorists by remaining silent The Red Cross? Excuse me, but frankly speaking, have you thought a minute about what you are saying there? You are using the example of an aid worker coming to this crisis to say that there shouldnGÇÖt be aid?
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:And in all conflicts if there is a humanitarian crisis there is at least one involved party that can prevent, stop and/or resolve it with a single political signature on the right piece of paper. You can't do that with a natural disaster. While I appreciate your experience in your own country, I think noncomplex comparisons donGÇÖt add to this discussion. What possibly may be does not help those affected. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13614
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Posted - 2014.10.14 11:00:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:The Red Cross is doing a tremendous job in Syria. You can find out more on their homepage.
The red cross is seen as a valid target to attack by these people. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.10.14 11:11:00 -
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I support this.
It is irrelevant where the source of a victim's suffering comes from, only that we try to alleviate it however we can.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. |
Dave Stark
7061
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:21:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:It is irrelevant where the source of a victim's suffering comes from when you're asking for my money, it's very relevant. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:31:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:It is irrelevant where the source of a victim's suffering comes from when you're asking for my money, it's very relevant. Well in this case it would be asking for your isk. But regardless, I don't see why a desire to help someone is dependent on the source of their suffering. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6498
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:The Red Cross is doing a tremendous job in Syria. You can find out more on their homepage. The red cross is seen as a valid target to attack by these people.
What exactly is your point?
Yes, they are brave, dedicated and willing to face danger to help relieve suffering. They are the heroes when it comes to helping the needy despite their personal risks. Whether it's under a barrage of mortar fire or climbing over earthquake rubble looking for survivors, they are there. Risking their own lives to help others.
And yet it seems that people feel justified in using that very fact to not support them. If you can't help on the ground, people, then help the people that are by spending a little ISK.
Sheesh.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10937
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:34:00 -
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This reminds me of Nostradamus again. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2533
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:02:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I don't give a **** whether it's natural or political. It's a disaster of epic proportions. Innocent people are suffering. The reason? Being born in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's not their fault they are in the grave situation they are in. I wholeheartedly support Odelya in his/her endeavor to help support these poor people. It's good to see someone willing to open their heart and wallet to help those whose lives have been destroyed through no fault of their own. Count on my PLEX support if you get this off the ground. Mr Epeen
While i understand your sentiment , if we take this road then we can have a ''plex for'' running every day of the year because , unlike natural disasters , human disasters have a habbit of allways having at least one going on every day of the year.
As such these types of things i rather support , or not support , in reall life using my wallet instead of using the ''plex for good'' method .The same goes for all types of diseases one can suffer from , i wouldn't think a ''plex for cancer'' for example would be a good idea.
So in short , it get's my support only if it is a natural disaster , otherwise it get's my support through non-eve related ways.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:30:00 -
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This thread is being locked for political discussion, which is against the rules.
The PLEX for GOOD task force was set up in order to assist those who have been adversely affected by natural disasters around the world.
Given our will to remain as neutral as possible, PLEX for GOOD will not be used to fund relief efforts for charities relating to any form of war or armed conflict.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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