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Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Its still makes no sense, the issue is with the limit on how many pilots can be supported at one time. We are not talking about one pilot alone.
You are being intentionally dense.
When you say a system can support 10 pilots, how much do each of them make?
When you say that a Region can support 100 pilots off of sigs, how much are they all taking in monthly?
I suspect where this is heading, but feel free to evade it once more. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5551
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:48:00 -
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Oh great. I'm agreeing with Lucas on something.
I'm going to go run the car in the garage for a bit....
(still better than mining) Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13622
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:49:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote: Cool. What percentage of EVE players exactly are using (or are capable of using) that specific bling setup for level 3s or are you assuming just because it's possible that everyone is doing it?
Does it matter how many are doing it? What matters is that we can all do it. It matters because not everyone can do it. There aren't that many Machs in game for instance. There is a significantly long train and investment for that bling setup as well. If you mean everyone can potentially or eventually do it, that is a different matter. I'd really like to see your reference material and numbers, including the exact level 3 missions you would need to be able to pull every single hour because I'm pretty sure you aren't going to get enough decent level 3 missions every hour to make 80mil/hr consistently or on average even if you did salvage everything which you have stated is a waste of time. The mach is likely one of the most popular pirate battleships in the game of all time. The bulk of the mods are t2 and faction gyros are not exactly hard to come by. Most of the population can fly this ship and a good chunk will have one somewhere. A simple google search for "eve lvl 3 mach" will likely get you the topic with all the numbers. It took me a week to weed out the few missions not worth running. You answered a question I did not ask and seem to have conveniently ignored the rest. What percentage exactly is "most of the population"? How many exactly is a "good chunk"? Where exactly did you get that data? Please show me exactly where you came up with your 80mil/hour data.
Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13622
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:54:00 -
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Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:baltec1 wrote: Its still makes no sense, the issue is with the limit on how many pilots can be supported at one time. We are not talking about one pilot alone.
You are being intentionally dense. When you say a system can support 10 pilots, how much do each of them make? When you say that a Region can support 100 pilots off of sigs, how much are they all taking in monthly? I suspect where this is heading, but feel free to evade it once more.
90mil/hr max per pilot on anoms (you have been told this) That is using a blinged out vindi.
sigs are very random ranging from a few mil to a few hundred mil per site. It averages out to less than can be made in level 4 missions in high sec. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:[quote=Petre en Thielles] You said salvage alts.
You don't take a few days to train your indy alts into a noctis?
How exactly can I take you seriously? Do you actually plan out how to make ISK in this game? If you are ratting to make ISK in the first place, you are doing it wrong... |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6827
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.
Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5551
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:56:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:...anal bead sanctums...
OMG LOL!!! :-D Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13625
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:57:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.
Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too.
Im on the phone so I cannot link anything. How about you actually go search for this yourself? Hell if your nice stoix might even come speak to you personally. Put in "eve lvl 3 mach" its the first link in google. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
39
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:58:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
By supporting, he means how many people can effectively run anomalies without bumping in to each other constantly & locking people out because you got to it first. While you get roughly 25 anomaly spawns in a system, only 3 types are actually worth running: Forsaken hubs, gate havens & anal bead sanctums. Forsaken hubs are quite plentiful & some systems may have up to 7 which will support 4 ratters. Gate havens are less plentiful than dust cloud haven (which are crap) & you might get 2 of those in a system which supports 1 guy. Even in -1.0 you're only going to see maybe 4 sanctums & what they are tends to be pretty random each day.
On average systems from -0.6 to -1.0 will support 4 to 6 people trying to make less money than missions in highsec payout. I'd rather have missions than anomalies to be honest.
OK, so if you are so desperate for ISK, why not run Sansha or Blood Missions? You have rental territories that conect to Blood Mission stations for sure, there is one on your rental list. Set up an alt there instead of in your cosy heartland if the ISK is so much better.
Really it just seems like you want everything, good isk, the security of being in the ass end of null, and the ability to reach out touch people from afar.
I still dispute these numbers, it really seems as if you are all running a rat race for ISK, which shouldn't even be necessary given your alliances income and the limited engagements in which you should be losing your own ships. I get that you all think you need to buy 5 more toons with the upcoming changes, but maybe you should just buy some plex instead of complaining that you don't make enough because you guys can't properly share within your organization. |
Curious Onlooker
LE YOLO LE SWAG LE 9GAG YOLOSWAG SWAGGER CORP YOLO
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:00:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:So to be clear, CCP are removing fun from the game
CCP need to get to grips on what makes a game entertaining otherwise they will lose me to Elite Dangerous.
Given your inability to understand how the jump changes will add a lot of potential for localized pvp and capital bouts, without fear of supercap hotdrops by groups like PL and NC, thus increasing fun for those not content to fight simply for the sake of 'lets create a fight so our members don't all quit'; you heading off to play Elite Dangerous instead would be of a net benefit to the Eve community. |
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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
142
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:01:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:He starts off with an unsubstantiated assertion that all alliance leaders engage in RMT. [/quote]
Its not a secret that big alliances use plex referral links and often sell ad space. There is no evidence of illegal RMT, but the Mittani definitely makes money off the game. So do a few others.
If the big alliances can't maintain themselves as supermassive stable power blocks, then that that stable income is loss. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6828
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.
Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too. Im on the phone so I cannot link anything. How about you actually go search for this yourself? Hell if your nice stoix might even come speak to you personally.
Apologies. I am not here to validate unsubstantiated claims. Quite the opposite. Please educate me.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13625
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:03:00 -
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Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:
By supporting, he means how many people can effectively run anomalies without bumping in to each other constantly & locking people out because you got to it first. While you get roughly 25 anomaly spawns in a system, only 3 types are actually worth running: Forsaken hubs, gate havens & anal bead sanctums. Forsaken hubs are quite plentiful & some systems may have up to 7 which will support 4 ratters. Gate havens are less plentiful than dust cloud haven (which are crap) & you might get 2 of those in a system which supports 1 guy. Even in -1.0 you're only going to see maybe 4 sanctums & what they are tends to be pretty random each day.
On average systems from -0.6 to -1.0 will support 4 to 6 people trying to make less money than missions in highsec payout. I'd rather have missions than anomalies to be honest.
OK, so if you are so desperate for ISK, why not run Sansha or Blood Missions? You have rental territories that conect to Blood Mission stations for sure, there is one on your rental list. Set up an alt there instead of in your cosy heartland if the ISK is so much better. Really it just seems like you want everything, good isk, the security of being in the ass end of null, and the ability to reach out touch people from afar. I still dispute these numbers, it really seems as if you are all running a rat race for ISK, which shouldn't even be necessary given your alliances income and the limited engagements in which you should be losing your own ships. I get that you all think you need to buy 5 more toons with the upcoming changes, but maybe you should just buy some plex instead of complaining that you don't make enough because you guys can't properly share within your organization.
So you think its fine that our empire cannot support its population and that the best option is to make our isk outside of it.. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13625
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:07:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.
Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too. Im on the phone so I cannot link anything. How about you actually go search for this yourself? Hell if your nice stoix might even come speak to you personally. Apologies. I am not here to validate your unsubstantiated claims. Quite the opposite. Please educate me.
Seriously do the google search, its the top result. Eve lvl 3 mach. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10070
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:07:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.
Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too.
No, I'm happy to confirm that he's being truthful, Stoxfaux came up with it while we were debunking one of Fabulous Rod's illiterate rants in the faction battleship rebalance thread.
Stoic could pull 80 mil/hr with an L3 Machariel fit that was really rather accessible. Beat the pants off of any fit I had managed to dream up before he posted it. The warp speed mods (and implants, if I recall) really made a big difference, since the travel time is actually one of your major impacts on mission income. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Marsha Mallow
1618
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:08:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Apologies. I am not here to validate unsubstantiated claims. Quite the opposite. Please educate me. .... being so vain?
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13625
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:09:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:He starts off with an unsubstantiated assertion that all alliance leaders engage in RMT.
Its not a secret that big alliances use plex referral links and often sell ad space. There is no evidence of illegal RMT, but the Mittani definitely makes money off the game. So do a few others.
If the big alliances can't maintain themselves as supermassive stable power blocks, then that that stable income is loss.[/quote]
Themittani.com does not need the CFC to survive. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6353
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:14:00 -
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Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:Really it just seems like you want everything, good isk, the security of being in the ass end of null, and the ability to reach out touch people from afar.
Why shouldn't we have a good isk potential for our members in space that we spend tens of billions on per month?
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:I still dispute these numbers, it really seems as if you are all running a rat race for ISK, which shouldn't even be necessary given your alliances income and the limited engagements in which you should be losing your own ships. I get that you all think you need to buy 5 more toons with the upcoming changes, but maybe you should just buy some plex instead of complaining that you don't make enough because you guys can't properly share within your organization.
Alliance income is different from personal income & is used to pay for things like sov bills & SRP, which isn't cheap. People still need to be able to make isk on a personal basis. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6828
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.
Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too. Im on the phone so I cannot link anything. How about you actually go search for this yourself? Hell if your nice stoix might even come speak to you personally. Apologies. I am not here to validate your unsubstantiated claims. Quite the opposite. Please educate me. Seriously do the google search, its the top result. Eve lvl 3 mach.
Thanks for the specific keywords, that was perfect, the ones I was using did not return the desired results for whatever reason.
I believe this is it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345580&p=2
A good read, and includes spreadsheet pron. I am curious to locate and dust off my old Mach to try this. Consider my previous requests for this info well satisfied.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6830
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: TMC does not need the CFC to survive.
EVE does not need TMC to survive, but I quite suspect the opposite is true.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13625
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:27:00 -
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If you think thats good you should pay close attention to burner mission blitzing. I'm currently testing ways to run them as quickly as possible in cheap assault frigates. The income levels are looking to be crazy ( At least 10k LP per 5 min plus the few mil in mission reward). CCP may have scored another own goal with these things. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6830
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:If you think thats good you should pay close attention to burner mission blitzing. I'm currently testing ways to run them as quickly as possible in cheap assault frigates. The income levels are looking to be crazy ( At least 10k LP per 5 min plus the few mil in mission reward). CCP may have scored another own goal with these things.
That would definitely be accessible to just about everyone and could make LP as cheap as chips.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13626
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:45:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:baltec1 wrote:If you think thats good you should pay close attention to burner mission blitzing. I'm currently testing ways to run them as quickly as possible in cheap assault frigates. The income levels are looking to be crazy ( At least 10k LP per 5 min plus the few mil in mission reward). CCP may have scored another own goal with these things. That would definitely be accessible to just about everyone and could make LP as cheap as chips. Not entirely. You are going to need a lot of different ships to hop into and most of the light weapons. Its rather skill intensive (more so than the mach) and frankly, most mission runners are simply too lazy to do it. I have 4 pinned down using the vengence, retribution, hawk and the wolf. Average ship cost is 50 mil but the fittings are tight. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
So you think its fine that our empire cannot support its population and that the best option is to make our isk outside of it..
No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear.
I further think that not only can your empire support its population, but it could support more. If not for a subset of your group who is clearly too greedy for the benefit of the rest of the alliance.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10070
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:50:00 -
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Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote: No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear.
Try ganking miners for a couple of weeks, and see if you can say that with a straight face afterward. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
39
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:58:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
Why shouldn't we have a good isk potential for our members in space that we spend tens of billions on per month?
You do, if we go off of Baltecs 90/mil an hour for just anoms. Is that not enough? Your alliance has SRP for fleet work, how much ISK do you think you should be making to make it viable for you to live in near total security with a private jump bridge network, and the comfort of SOV null? Are goons so bad that they whelp a billion ISK worth of ships per system, per day? To singular pirates?
I still stand that the total income in null is higher, because if you average out sigs over a reasonable amount of time, that ISK/hr ratio goes up to levels that are not attainable in High sec. Yet you want more?
Your alliance chose to spend that ISK on SOV, no one made them do it. You guys want to hold land and have your name on the header, so it goes. You don't like the space you have, only take and hold valuable systems then. Don't ***** about not liking the territory you hold, because if it is so bad, you should just move to a better set of systems.
Mallak Azaria wrote: Alliance income is different from personal income & is used to pay for things like sov bills & SRP, which isn't cheap. People still need to be able to make isk on a personal basis.
Using baltecs 90m/hr, which is lowball, they are making money. Just not enough for your rampant greed, which clearly knows no bounds.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13626
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:59:00 -
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Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:baltec1 wrote:
So you think its fine that our empire cannot support its population and that the best option is to make our isk outside of it..
No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear. I further think that not only can your empire support its population, but it could support more. If not for a subset of your group who is clearly too greedy for the benefit of the rest of the alliance.
So how do 4000 people go ratting when there is less than 3500 systems in all of null and less than 10 can be supported per system? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.15 01:01:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote: No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear.
Try ganking miners for a couple of weeks, and see if you can say that with a straight face afterward.
Read the long distance travel changes thread and tell me those are not in the same vein of high sec protectionist.
There may be a difference relating to degree, but the underlying attitudes are identical. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13626
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Posted - 2014.10.15 01:04:00 -
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Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
Using baltecs 90m/hr, which is lowball, they are making money. Just not enough for your rampant greed, which clearly knows no bounds.
No thats using a 5 bil vindi in a system with nobody else in it and no interuptions in the best true sov system with full upgrades. Most get 50-60 mil/hr using a tengu. High sec beats anom income hand down Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.10.15 01:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
No thats using a 5 bil vindi in a system with nobody else in it and no interuptions in the best true sov system with full upgrades. Most get 50-60 mil/hr using a tengu. High sec beats anom income hand down
And like I said, just counting anom income is not telling the full story. You want to wave away sig based income, but it doesn't fly. Yes there is RNG, and yes sometimes you can crap out. Sometimes you can pull 3 vindi prints in a night. Average it out of a thirty day period and it adds substantially to your ISK/hr.
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