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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 19:06:00 - [1] I think you mean "Minmatar Service Outpost Blueprint" and "Cynosural Field Generator Blueprint." The names were cut off. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 19:09:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/08/2006 19:11:23 I can see your predicament, Kal. Mung could try using alts and friends to get payment for his shares. Either way this is a possible problem. Edit: You say you will let three members of the public in to "audit the books" with Junior Accountant role. Is it possible for either me or EMFI to get that role to check out Mung's supposed thieving? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Lireil Crow Hi there, This is my main, Mungs Lore main Didn't you claim over and over that you bought this character 4 months ago and that this wasn't your main? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Originally by: Lireil Crow Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:10:58 Hi there, This is my main, Mungs Lore main (see Kal you dont scare me, and I have a reason for everything that is worng with the books, ) 90% of the book were done on Mung Lores account and not through the corp wallet) I fell I have nothing to hide in this, you dont tell how EIB is running then I wont tell how UEMA ran, (BTW I used alot of high end mins, maybe that could of been were the money was sent to my main for .. ummm like stated in my IPO that I would do. BTW Cally sent 1billion isk with the flot when I got the T2 BPO about 3 weeks later I asked for a 2nd 1bil flot becouse 1billion it wasnt enought to keep min supplys with out buy orders. So 2billion was sent to UEMA not 1 your trying to scam and need to stop. making making more shares, it just proves your trying to scam. Your main main's name begins with 'N' Stop trying to kid everyone. You had alot of support from the anti EIB and now where is it. By your own admission, you have done everything you had accused me with. Still want to save face? Send over the shares and remaining assets as that will be o good start. It would be fairer if he traded those shares and remaining assets for the BPOs you have that aren't UEMA's. But yes, I agree, that needs to happen. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 13:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 13:14:29 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Barbicane Wouldn't it be better to allow someone who has not been involved in this scandal do the audit? I reckon it might be difficult to find someone who is not 'involved'. Personally I am already rather prejudiced against both Mung Lore and Cally/Kal, which might affect my ability to see all the aspects. Then again, although both EMFI and DS are somewhat involved, I do believe they hold their reputation in far higher value than potential assets involved. Hence they do have interest to come out of this clean, and thus make rather good and trusted auditors. While I am "involved" and EMFI has consulted with me during this, I have stated before that I have very little stake in EIB and even less in UEMA. The only stake I have is through my 900,000 EMFI shares, and EMFI has already undervalued both sets of shares to ensure losses in the case of anything bad happening are minimal. In other words, I have no worries: I trust EMFI here. I'll contact Kal with an alt of mine to get it into the corp. If Kal approves I can provide screenshots of what he claims. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:27:00 - [6] For a long while I predicted that in any case that game mechanics (such as EIB's insurance policy) made it impossible for someone to simply run off with a corp's assets, people would try to commit fraud by skimming the wallet and falsifying the books. To be honest... it isn't very surprising that this has happened. On the other hand, without EIB's insurance, I doubt it would have taken this long for Mung to run off with the cash. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Barbicane, no thanka. I'm allergic to tar babies. Oh, and I solved the Kal-Cally riddle: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/kittyoshay/kal-cally.JPG It seems when Kal updated the EIB blog, he used the same Cally posting account, and just changed the name from Cally to Kal. Now, if he was a different person, why not just create a new blog login, and start posting? Apparently, he thought changing the name would be enough to fool everyone. But by changing the display name of the Cally account he forgot that he had "signed" posts as Cally within the blog entriy itself. Check for yourself, but once a post is off the front page the EIB blog, the blog account that posted is no longer visible. I await a laundry list of insults and lame excuses from Cally/Kal over this. But, it's yet another distraction in the soap opera. Clearly such a trivial error is proof of a vast conspiracy! goes back to investigating how the fact that this rose has one extra petal implies that the JFK assassination was staged --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:48:00 - [8] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 20:51:42 Originally by: Pete Wilson Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? I have the greatest idea. Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all... and then liquidate the corporation. Then, once its all liquidated, we can steal all th---waiiiit a minute here! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Pete Wilson Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 21:25:05 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 20:51:42 Originally by: Pete Wilson Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? I have the greatest idea. Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all... and then liquidate the corporation. Then, once its all liquidated, we can steal all th---waiiiit a minute here! Nah, I like this idea better..... Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all for a while to gain more trust and more investors, then when the time is right (or if people become too suspicious) we can siphon off most of the isk and tell everyone we've died in real life - while at the same time introduce a new alt under the guise of a totally different person who takes over the reigns and carry's on as if nothing has happened. People are silly and will believe it so trust me it'll work! OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Pete Wilson And of course those numbers where provided to you by someone who's been exposed as a blatant liar? Are you now claiming that, for example, if 5000 shares are sold at 10 million each, that the total cost of those shares could be more or less than 50 billion? Or are you saying that even if every single EIB investor got all their cash back, Cally could have magically stolen their money? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Kenz Rider Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 21:55:22 Originally by: Dark Shikari OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! If everyone gets their money back plus their cost of capital, then its not a scam or even a failure. To my knowledge this has not happened yet. Well thats my point. If Kal does what he claims he will do, everything is over. The game is up, and the books are clean. Thus, anyone yelling "OMGSCAM" should be saying "I don't believe you Kal, you won't compensate anyone!" instead of completely ignoring the fact that Kal is claiming such a thing. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:12:00 - [13] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 22:13:31 Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Originally by: Dark Shikari I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." You speak like it's been done already. Read my last post please. I don't want to have to copypaste my explanation. Originally by: Pete Wilson Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." Has Cally/Kal given the investors back ALL their money... every last isk of it? As I've stated numerous times before, I don't care if its a scam or not*. The only thing that irks me is how blatantly obvious it is that Cally and Kal D'vough are the same person yet some people just can't see it. If it was blatantly obvious you would have proof that wasn't iffy and circumstantial It is possible* that Kal is Cally. That does not imply that it is probable, likely, or even makes much sense. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 14:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Mox Trident I think this is the main problem. Lots of mains ARE asking valid questions and are being left frustrated with the replies they're getting - even to the point where those supposidly answering the questions are resorting to insults to deflect the truth. Often because those mains are asking questions that cannot be answered without violating someone's trust. For example, lets say Kal told me who his main was, but told me to never tell anyone. If I answered the question "who is Kal's main" with his main, I would be breaking his trust. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Mox Trident Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mox Trident I think this is the main problem. Lots of mains ARE asking valid questions and are being left frustrated with the replies they're getting - even to the point where those supposidly answering the questions are resorting to insults to deflect the truth. Often because those mains are asking questions that cannot be answered without violating someone's trust. For example, lets say Kal told me who his main was, but told me to never tell anyone. If I answered the question "who is Kal's main" with his main, I would be breaking his trust. Fair enough, but why would someone who's been entrusted with billions of isk of public money not reveal who his main is? However even if I knew who Kal's main was, it wouldn't be my job to say so. Nor is it EMFI's. If Kal won't say who his main is, and told EMFI not to either, blame Kal, not EMFI. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Lt Widowmaker But to Dark' Lord / Kal D'vogh/ Cally your really low right now, your lower then the gum on the bottom of my boots. I would think you're even lower, considering you would make such an accusation on simple hearsay. Or do you have evidence that I haven't seen yet? I doubt it. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:05:00 - [17] By the way Kal, both me and EMFI have been waiting for Junior Accountant permissions to audit UEMA for over a day. Could you step in there and toss the permissions to us? Thanks --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Sorry DS, my life on the weekend doesn't involve EVE, so I didn't pay attention (think I was drunk when I accepted you) I will make sure you have roles by tonight. Thx --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.20 02:55:00 - [19] Well the charade is over. The drama has ended. And I'm out zero ISK! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.

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