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Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.16 17:21:00 - [1] Assets as follows: Corporation Hanger Blueprints Capital Armor Repairer I Minmatar Service Blackbird Blueprint Dual Light Pulse Laser II Cynosural Field Capital Shield Booster I Capital Shield Transporter I Items None Delivery Items 489 Dual Light Pulse Laser II 71,698 units of tritanium 2,744,716 units of pyerite 17 units of nocxium Isk in corporate wallet 4,325,502.75 Isk In all, the value of assets of the UEMA that should be there are short. This amounts to an estimated 3 billion isk providing we count the 'supposed' loaned BPO's as assets of the UEMA. Without those blueprints I estimate there is 4 - 4.5 billion in value missing from the UEMA based on the starting capital Mung was issued, and subsequent cash advances he recieved during his time as CEO. Details in the journal indicate that Mung Lore has been skimming money from the corporate wallet during his reign as UEMA CEO on a regular basis. As of this moment, I consider Mung Lore to be a thief. Should anyone wish to view the corporation records themselves, namely investors I will allow 3 members of the public access to the corporation with junior accountant role in order to view the situation with my prior approval. In light of the current situation, there are two options that I am considering at this time. option 1: Purchase all remaining shares we hold in the UEMA and restructure it using the extra cash flow. I will make a decision on what exactly the corporations purpose and role will be within the EIB family. However production will be unlikely. Because I can consider the shares Mung held to be a write off, I will create enough shares to make his stake insignificant. In such an event, the original shareholders will be contacted and should they still hold shares, will be issued with an equal ratio ensuring their stake remains at the same percentage. Unless we can link old shareholders to new ones with 100% confirmation, i'm afraid people will miss out. Mung Lore can prevent this by returning shares however I wouldn't count on it. Option 2 : Liquidate the UEMA. Liquidation will be done by contacting original shareholders and repurchasing shares. Those not on the list will miss out. Again, if Mung has any honour left in him he will return his shares and we can proceed with the liquidation in the proper manner. Should Mung fail to return shares and assets, details of his main characters will be posted as to allow the investors to deal with him as they see fit. In the event of liquidation, shareholders can expect a minimum 75% return on the original shareprice. This is a guarantee set by the EIB contract and the EIB will honour it. Do not contact us asking to be reimbursed for your shares. You will be contacted via the list we have and initially only the amount you purchased will be refunded (-25%) should you still hold those shares. This process is not up for discussion and my decision is final on this matter.
Deovina Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2006.08.16 18:32:00 - [2] Perhaps you should have stated earlier that trading UEMA makes them wortless...
JP Moregain Gallente Moregain Guaranty Trust	Posted - 2006.08.16 18:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Kal D'vogh In the event of liquidation, shareholders can expect a minimum 75% return on the original shareprice. Just for clarification, a 75% return on the original shareprice would indicate that you are paying 175% of the IPO price, whereas a 75% return of the original shareprice would indicate that you are paying back 75% of the original book/NAV per share, which equates to a -25% return on the original share price. Clarity in communication FTW... Regards, JP "In JP We Trust, All Others Require Collateral..."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 19:06:00 - [4] I think you mean "Minmatar Service Outpost Blueprint" and "Cynosural Field Generator Blueprint." The names were cut off. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 19:09:00 - [5] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/08/2006 19:11:23 I can see your predicament, Kal. Mung could try using alts and friends to get payment for his shares. Either way this is a possible problem. Edit: You say you will let three members of the public in to "audit the books" with Junior Accountant role. Is it possible for either me or EMFI to get that role to check out Mung's supposed thieving? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.16 19:21:00 - [6] Kal, could you please also include the balance of UEMA bank account with EIB in the audit result? Regards, Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:04:00 - [7] Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:10:58 Hi there, This is my main, Mungs Lore main (see Kal you dont scare me, and I have a reason for everything that is worng with the books, ) 90% of the book were done on Mung Lores account and not through the corp wallet) I fell I have nothing to hide in this, you dont tell how EIB is running then I wont tell how UEMA ran, (BTW I used alot of high end mins, maybe that could of been were the money was sent to my main for .. ummm like stated in my IPO that I would do. BTW Cally sent 1billion isk with the flot when I got the T2 BPO about 3 weeks later I asked for a 2nd 1bil flot becouse 1billion it wasnt enought to keep min supplys with out buy orders. So 2billion was sent to UEMA not 1 your trying to scam and need to stop. making making more shares, it just proves your trying to scam.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Lireil Crow Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:10:58 Hi there, This is my main, Mungs Lore main (see Kal you dont scare me, and I have a reason for everything that is worng with the books, ) 90% of the book were done on Mung Lores account and not through the corp wallet) I fell I have nothing to hide in this, you dont tell how EIB is running then I wont tell how UEMA ran, (BTW I used alot of high end mins, maybe that could of been were the money was sent to my main for .. ummm like stated in my IPO that I would do. But isn't that ... bad? The Billionaire Buccaneer (A Blog for the Bored)
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:28:00 - [9] Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:30:01 no becouse alot of work I need to do (for cheap mins and that were done through min contracts UEMA had) were done through escrow. there is no way a corp can do that right now.
Exelsior The Echelon	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:30:00 - [10] I prefere the second option, in which case please contact me for liquidation, I should be on your list. As to Mung, I see no reason not to use corp wallet unless you buy from escrow, and I doubt you bought your high end minerals through that...
Exelsior The Echelon	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:31:00 - [11] By the way, even if Kal is lying about a 1b missing, there are still about 3-3.5b missing from the corp. How do you explain that?
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:32:00 - [12] your worng I got alot of low ends from a contract UEMA had they went through escrow. (dont ask me for the name for there protection as they stated from the start of the contact I will not give it)
Lori Gendo	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Exelsior By the way, even if Kal is lying about a 1b missing, there are still about 3-3.5b missing from the corp. How do you explain that? easu the corp never had 3 bil to start off with. 1bil flot was send the day UEMA fot the first t2 BPO, 1bil more flot was sent to meet production, and some contracts UEMA for mins, 3 weeks after when UEMA start the t1 division. No more isk was sent after that, and you can check the UEMA books on that thanks.
Exelsior The Echelon	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:33:00 - [14] Edited by: Exelsior on 16/08/2006 21:33:08 Originally by: Lireil Crow your worng I got alot of low ends from a contract UEMA had they went through escrow. (dont ask me for the name for there protection as they stated from the start of the contact I will not give it) Protection? From who? What would happen to them? They only thing they have to fear is a new contract and a question to verify they really did supply you. Why all these shady dealings?
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:34:00 - [15] Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:34:46 d-mn resserch alt.. sorry
Exelsior The Echelon	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Lori Gendo Originally by: Exelsior By the way, even if Kal is lying about a 1b missing, there are still about 3-3.5b missing from the corp. How do you explain that? easu the corp never had 3 bil to start off with. 1bil flot was send the day UEMA fot the first t2 BPO, 1bil more flot was sent to meet production, and some contracts UEMA for mins, 3 weeks after when UEMA start the t1 division. No more isk was sent after that, and you can check the UEMA books on that thanks. And who are you? Another of Mung's alts? So you're saying that UEMA only ever got 2b ISK, and that the supposed 'missing' ISK is still held by EIB?
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:51:00 - [17] Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:51:57 no its not missing, total flots given to UEMA were 2billion isk no more. BOOKS can conferm this. as stated in the other post (not in this thread), I gave the owner of the 3 non UEMA BPO's about 1.2bil in UEMA assets to cover his lost of the 3 blueprints. about 50 or so mil for a reserch service. and about 75bil for a cruser BPO and 100 or so for a 2nd cruser BPO (in witch I did take (didnt mean to), and will be returned) all other assets were in forum of dual light pulse 2's on placed on the market. I will return the cruser BPO after I saw it in my hanger last night to EMFI for hem to return it or hold until he does the can do this audit right. Kal I trust to do this as much I as I any of you with my life.
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:55:00 - [18] anyway I'm not going to play game and just my actions for how I ran UEMA, if you want someone who does the right audit, then get EMFI, but I would not turst Kal if my life depended on it. I'm dont talking about this, the only person who I will let contact me in any matter is EMFI, he knows me and all my mains. (all of them). and speaking of so did Cally.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Lireil Crow Hi there, This is my main, Mungs Lore main Didn't you claim over and over that you bought this character 4 months ago and that this wasn't your main? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 22:02:00 - [20] Yes I did, but this is my mian as far as UEMA goes, EMFI knows my other mains, and my main-main, but this is the only I play with must right now. so he is my main.
Exelsior The Echelon	Posted - 2006.08.16 22:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Lireil Crow anyway I'm not going to play game and just my actions for how I ran UEMA, if you want someone who does the right audit, then get EMFI, but I would not turst Kal if my life depended on it. I'm dont talking about this, the only person who I will let contact me in any matter is EMFI, he knows me and all my mains. (all of them). and speaking of so did Cally. He apparently has many mains, and the main-ness of his mains fluctuates.... As to EMFi talking to you, I've seen you talking to EMFi. You spewed crap at him, at me, and continuously called him and me liars and showed total distrust. Now you say you will trust him with a proper audit?
Salazar N'terre Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.16 22:08:00 - [22] Edited by: Salazar N''terre on 16/08/2006 22:12:48 you would think by now emfi would charge a fee to be yelled at by mung lore/lirel crow/kuame lore. The investors really got the shaft with this ipo! To think Mung felt bad about the whole SVE thing when he was trying to pitch this IPO far far back. Now its starting to look like another soap opera ending to another IPO gone bad. "People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." "Laugh and EVE laughs with you. Cry and EVE laughs louder." -Anonymous
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.16 22:20:00 - [23] Hi again, I'm starting to think that both sides would be best just quitting this forum crap and sit around a table working out the best way to proceed for the investors.... It seems to be your common ground. You both want what is best for them so you say.... Stop the high drama, have a nice chat about where to go next without any overly emotional knee jerk reactionism that seems to have been running riot in the last week. Sort it out so all parties can walk away happy. Taur
Lireil Crow Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.16 22:36:00 - [24] I can deal with that, I vote for EMFI to set something up
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Lireil Crow I can deal with that, I vote for EMFI to set something up Why don't you use this time to take the initiative and set it up yourself? Every time EMFi has helped you, you decide to turn on him. So why would he go out of his way to help you now, when I get the feeling he is sick of this saga and wants nothing to do with it. You have accused him of all kinds of things, now ask him to do your work for you. Insured Research and Production Services
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:33:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/08/2006 19:11:23 I can see your predicament, Kal. Mung could try using alts and friends to get payment for his shares. Either way this is a possible problem. Edit: You say you will let three members of the public in to "audit the books" with Junior Accountant role. Is it possible for either me or EMFI to get that role to check out Mung's supposed thieving? Yes I will allow both of you access.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari I think you mean "Minmatar Service Outpost Blueprint" and "Cynosural Field Generator Blueprint." The names were cut off. I typed them as they appeared in the corporate hanger.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Lireil Crow Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:10:58 Hi there, This is my main, Mungs Lore main (see Kal you dont scare me, and I have a reason for everything that is worng with the books, ) 90% of the book were done on Mung Lores account and not through the corp wallet) I fell I have nothing to hide in this, you dont tell how EIB is running then I wont tell how UEMA ran, (BTW I used alot of high end mins, maybe that could of been were the money was sent to my main for .. ummm like stated in my IPO that I would do. BTW Cally sent 1billion isk with the flot when I got the T2 BPO about 3 weeks later I asked for a 2nd 1bil flot becouse 1billion it wasnt enought to keep min supplys with out buy orders. So 2billion was sent to UEMA not 1 your trying to scam and need to stop. making making more shares, it just proves your trying to scam. Your main main's name begins with 'N' Stop trying to kid everyone. You had alot of support from the anti EIB and now where is it. By your own admission, you have done everything you had accused me with. Still want to save face? Send over the shares and remaining assets as that will be o good start.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 02:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Originally by: Lireil Crow Edited by: Lireil Crow on 16/08/2006 21:10:58 Hi there, This is my main, Mungs Lore main (see Kal you dont scare me, and I have a reason for everything that is worng with the books, ) 90% of the book were done on Mung Lores account and not through the corp wallet) I fell I have nothing to hide in this, you dont tell how EIB is running then I wont tell how UEMA ran, (BTW I used alot of high end mins, maybe that could of been were the money was sent to my main for .. ummm like stated in my IPO that I would do. BTW Cally sent 1billion isk with the flot when I got the T2 BPO about 3 weeks later I asked for a 2nd 1bil flot becouse 1billion it wasnt enought to keep min supplys with out buy orders. So 2billion was sent to UEMA not 1 your trying to scam and need to stop. making making more shares, it just proves your trying to scam. Your main main's name begins with 'N' Stop trying to kid everyone. You had alot of support from the anti EIB and now where is it. By your own admission, you have done everything you had accused me with. Still want to save face? Send over the shares and remaining assets as that will be o good start. It would be fairer if he traded those shares and remaining assets for the BPOs you have that aren't UEMA's. But yes, I agree, that needs to happen. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Nobues Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.17 04:37:00 - [30] Yes This is my main aso, (this is mung lore speaking BTW) anymore tricks?
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Nobues Yes This is my main aso .. Same old tricks I always, eh? I would like to use this opportunity to restate my belief and claim that you (Nobues/Hansoloo) is also the player behind (Nonou/Kamourses), who was the confirmed scammer in the United Council IPO back in March. - United Council sale and report threads, including my claim that Nobues is Nonou Very strangely, I feel happy that it is EIB possessing the investors assets, instead of this already known small scale scammer.. -Lasse
Barbicane The Gun Club	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/08/2006 19:11:23 I can see your predicament, Kal. Mung could try using alts and friends to get payment for his shares. Either way this is a possible problem. Edit: You say you will let three members of the public in to "audit the books" with Junior Accountant role. Is it possible for either me or EMFI to get that role to check out Mung's supposed thieving? Yes I will allow both of you access. Wouldn't it be better to allow someone who has not been involved in this scandal do the audit? EMFI is already knee deep in the water and DS is way too close to EMFI to be labeled neutral. I nominate: Heikki Kitty O'Shay Omber Zombie ...in that order. No idea if they are up for it though.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Barbicane Wouldn't it be better to allow someone who has not been involved in this scandal do the audit? I reckon it might be difficult to find someone who is not 'involved'. Personally I am already rather prejudiced against both Mung Lore and Cally/Kal, which might affect my ability to see all the aspects. Then again, although both EMFI and DS are somewhat involved, I do believe they hold their reputation in far higher value than potential assets involved. Hence they do have interest to come out of this clean, and thus make rather good and trusted auditors. -Lasse slighly flattered
Nobues Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:34:00 - [34] Edited by: Nobues on 17/08/2006 08:39:09 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Nobues Yes This is my main aso .. Same old tricks I always, eh? I would like to use this opportunity to restate my belief and claim that you (Nobues/Hansoloo) is also the player behind (Nonou/Kamourses), who was the confirmed scammer in the United Council IPO back in March. - United Council sale and report threads, including my claim that Nobues is Nonou Very strangely, I feel happy that it is EIB possessing the investors assets, instead of this already known small scale scammer.. -Lasse I said back then and I'm saying now, yes I did knew Noonou I but after that scam he droped off the face of the earth. I lost about 400mil in that scam, and if my wallet went back that far I would show you.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:51:00 - [35] Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 10:51:52 Originally by: Nobues Edited by: Nobues on 17/08/2006 08:39:09 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Nobues Yes This is my main aso .. Same old tricks I always, eh? I would like to use this opportunity to restate my belief and claim that you (Nobues/Hansoloo) is also the player behind (Nonou/Kamourses), who was the confirmed scammer in the United Council IPO back in March. - United Council sale and report threads, including my claim that Nobues is Nonou Very strangely, I feel happy that it is EIB possessing the investors assets, instead of this already known small scale scammer.. -Lasse I said back then and I'm saying now, yes I did knew Noonou I but after that scam he droped off the face of the earth. I lost about 400mil in that scam, and if my wallet went back that far I would show you. LOL! After reading those links provided by Heikki, the games' up pal Just admit you've used numerous characters and alts to pull off your scams and now that you've been scammed yourself by the very same alt tactics used by Kal/Cally its poetic justice imho. But don't worry, scammers always make mistakes and tell one lie too many sooner or later, so I have no doubts that the same fate awaits Kal/Cally when people finally wake up.... yarrr!
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 12:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Barbicane I nominate: Heikki Kitty O'Shay Omber Zombie no thanks ----------------------
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.08.17 13:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: Barbicane I nominate: Heikki Kitty O'Shay Omber Zombie no thanks This is undeniable proof that OZ killed JFK.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 13:12:00 - [38] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 13:14:29 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Barbicane Wouldn't it be better to allow someone who has not been involved in this scandal do the audit? I reckon it might be difficult to find someone who is not 'involved'. Personally I am already rather prejudiced against both Mung Lore and Cally/Kal, which might affect my ability to see all the aspects. Then again, although both EMFI and DS are somewhat involved, I do believe they hold their reputation in far higher value than potential assets involved. Hence they do have interest to come out of this clean, and thus make rather good and trusted auditors. While I am "involved" and EMFI has consulted with me during this, I have stated before that I have very little stake in EIB and even less in UEMA. The only stake I have is through my 900,000 EMFI shares, and EMFI has already undervalued both sets of shares to ensure losses in the case of anything bad happening are minimal. In other words, I have no worries: I trust EMFI here. I'll contact Kal with an alt of mine to get it into the corp. If Kal approves I can provide screenshots of what he claims. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 13:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: Barbicane I nominate: Heikki Kitty O'Shay Omber Zombie no thanks This is undeniable proof that OZ killed JFK. That's a damn lie, I was just eating a sandwich on the grassy noll, and my thermos was steaming. It wasn't smoke. ----------------------
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:00:00 - [40] Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: Barbicane I nominate: Heikki Kitty O'Shay Omber Zombie no thanks This is undeniable proof that OZ killed JFK. That's a damn lie, I was just eating a sandwich on the grassy noll, and my thermos was steaming. It wasn't smoke. Hmm.... What type of sandwich? Taur
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:21:00 - [41] Originally by: EMFi Manager Kal, could you please also include the balance of UEMA bank account with EIB in the audit result? Regards, From the list of investors that obtained UEMA shares through the EIB it appears that there was an initial 7000 shares sold and a further 5000 available. Not all the 5000 sold however, infact less than 1500 were sold from the second share phase to the public. That brings the total of 8.5 billion public investment. What has annoyed me is that it appears the UEMA was given more than 8.5 billion during its operational state. There was obviously the blueprint purchase handled on our part, and then 1 billion issued for working capital prior to launch and a further 1 billion allowed for the UEMA float after launch. There is also numerous requests for finance on the UEMA part of which Cally seems to have authorised despite there not being enough capital raised from the share purchases. In effect, UEMA has loaned isk from the EIB and used the shares we hold as collateral. All through the UEMA operational stage, Mung has not made one deposit to the UEMA corporate account with the EIB. Therefore its corporate account balance with us is 0.00 isk (and technically UEMA is in debt to the EIB). The only money that has come back from the UEMA was from the dividends EIB recieved whilst holding shares which just about cover the charges levvied to the UEMA for the insurance contract. In my opinion, Mung was attempting to scam his investors by leaving the EIB contract. The contract and conditions we had put in place meant that it was impossible for him to make a worthwhile score. He saw the recent troubles EIB had and used the opportunity to cast his vote on leaving EIB moderation because it was ample time to bring the topic up. Apart from the fact that Mung is a scammer, another key fact has been proven here and it is that the insurance contract the EIB offers for IPO's does work and works very well. The insurance contract has prevented the theft of more than 8.5 billion isk, and possibly more since I believe that when Mung aquired the shares they would find their way onto EGSEx and proceeds would have gone directly to Mung. Therefore this insurance contract we offered prevented the possible theft of upto 30 billion isk from the public. I think we should be applauded for this service despite recent events. Although investors may not see 100% of their investment back, they are atleast going to get most of it back in the event of UEMA liquidation.
Banni Vinda EnfuRia Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Apart from the fact that Mung is a scammer, another key fact has been proven here and it is that the insurance contract the EIB offers for IPO's does work and works very well. The insurance contract has prevented the theft of more than 8.5 billion isk, and possibly more since I believe that when Mung aquired the shares they would find their way onto EGSEx and proceeds would have gone directly to Mung. Therefore this insurance contract we offered prevented the possible theft of upto 30 billion isk from the public. I think we should be applauded for this service despite recent events. Although investors may not see 100% of their investment back, they are atleast going to get most of it back in the event of UEMA liquidation. I'll hold back applauding the service until I'm happy I'll get back my 75% according to the contract, for the shares I hold. You say that not every shareholder will receive compensation for this if Mung does not return the shares he holds. So how does your contract protect me in this case? If my shares will not be compensated, then I call your insurance contract worthless.
Caroglac Amarr The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:45:00 - [43] Kal, Please contact me ingame I have some investments that I need to talk to someone in authority about aswell as a zydrine delivery contract thats up in the air... xendraii has been unable to help me since tuesday due to lack of cash in her float... please help :) thanks Calgorac - Caroglac - Lacgarco
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Banni Vinda I'll hold back applauding the service until I'm happy I'll get back my 75% according to the contract, for the shares I hold. You say that not every shareholder will receive compensation for this if Mung does not return the shares he holds. So how does your contract protect me in this case? If my shares will not be compensated, then I call your insurance contract worthless. First of all we have not decided wether we will liquidate the UEMA. We have 2 options. Option 1 is to purchase the shares in our possession to grant UEMA working capital and then restructure it. Option 2 liquidate it. In the event of option 2, we will do our best to ensure all investors in the UEMA are reimbursed. The problem we have is Mung Lore still holds 3000 shares and should we just offer an outright purchase on shares to anybody he is going to obtain a futher 3 billion through us by using alts or friends to sell them back to us. The only way forward should a liquidation occur is we first buy the shares from investors who purchased them through the EIB. This was one of the reasons why a condition in the contract insisted we handled all share sales. If shares have changed hands we would have to trace the new owner of them, so you can see this process is very difficult but do-able. As I said before if Mung returns the 3000 shares, reimbursing all investors will not be a problem. However we will do our best to ensure all investors get the minimum 75% reimbursement should he fail to return them if liquidation occurs.
Banni Vinda EnfuRia Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:52:00 - [45] Fair enough. I await the outcome with interest
Helmut 314 Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:02:00 - [46] The funniest part of this continuing saga is that none of the entities involved have published a single figure or screenshot that supports their case either way. ________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Caroglac Kal, Please contact me ingame I have some investments that I need to talk to someone in authority about aswell as a zydrine delivery contract thats up in the air... xendraii has been unable to help me since tuesday due to lack of cash in her float... please help :) thanks Calgorac - Caroglac - Lacgarco I apologise but the problem I am facing is liquidating buy and sell orders that I have. Its a slow process and can take upto 1 month to fully liquidate 60 billion isk worth of assets without having a loss on the purchases. The majority of the capital I have is assets so I am sending it through to Xendraii as I have it. I will be sending him a few billion today so you can contact him then. I will be rejecting ingame convo's as I have alot of problems to sort out that came up from Cally's disapearance so if you would like to speak to me please email at [email protected]
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Helmut 314 The funniest part of this continuing saga is that none of the entities involved have published a single figure or screenshot that supports their case either way. The EIB blog I have posted screenshots on the EIB blog. Take a look for yourself. I will also be allowing 3 members of the public access to UEMA to see for themselves incase you think these screenshots are doctored.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:27:00 - [49] For a long while I predicted that in any case that game mechanics (such as EIB's insurance policy) made it impossible for someone to simply run off with a corp's assets, people would try to commit fraud by skimming the wallet and falsifying the books. To be honest... it isn't very surprising that this has happened. On the other hand, without EIB's insurance, I doubt it would have taken this long for Mung to run off with the cash. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
JP Moregain Gallente Moregain Guaranty Trust	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Dark Shikari For a long while I predicted that in any case that game mechanics (such as EIB's insurance policy) made it impossible for someone to simply run off with a corp's assets, people would try to commit fraud by skimming the wallet and falsifying the books. I agree 100%, and the CROTCH is not enough...(was that a James Bond movie or something?) JP "In JP We Trust, All Others Require Collateral..."
Jaeger Orlofsson VentureCorp CORE.	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Originally by: Banni Vinda I'll hold back applauding the service until I'm happy I'll get back my 75% according to the contract, for the shares I hold. You say that not every shareholder will receive compensation for this if Mung does not return the shares he holds. So how does your contract protect me in this case? If my shares will not be compensated, then I call your insurance contract worthless. First of all we have not decided wether we will liquidate the UEMA. We have 2 options. Option 1 is to purchase the shares in our possession to grant UEMA working capital and then restructure it. Option 2 liquidate it. In the event of option 2, we will do our best to ensure all investors in the UEMA are reimbursed. The problem we have is Mung Lore still holds 3000 shares and should we just offer an outright purchase on shares to anybody he is going to obtain a futher 3 billion through us by using alts or friends to sell them back to us. The only way forward should a liquidation occur is we first buy the shares from investors who purchased them through the EIB. This was one of the reasons why a condition in the contract insisted we handled all share sales. If shares have changed hands we would have to trace the new owner of them, so you can see this process is very difficult but do-able. As I said before if Mung returns the 3000 shares, reimbursing all investors will not be a problem. However we will do our best to ensure all investors get the minimum 75% reimbursement should he fail to return them if liquidation occurs. Do you have a timescale for this? I've been in this situation before where the 'liquidation' never happened completely (GPSx).
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:44:00 - [52] As I said we may not liquidate the UEMA. The EIB stands to make a loss of a few billion should we lquidate UEMA, and I would prefer not to have to go down that road. If I feel I can revive it and ensure investors get better dividend rates then previously, then I will purchase the share in the EIB possession to inject a cashflow to UEMA and restructure it. I will have a decision in one weeks time.
Jaeger Orlofsson VentureCorp CORE.	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:09:00 - [53] Thanks for the clarification Kal.
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:19:00 - [54] Can I ask a couple of questions regarding your valuation of the corp: 1. Can we have a breakdown in values for those bpo's (what was paid for them)? 2. Can we have a breakdown in values for the items in the delivery hanger (the dpl 2's are worth roughly 250k each) After that, if I were to offer to buy out the shares remaining owned by the EIB, in the interest of restructuring andrunning the corp, how much would I have to pay for those shares? thanks, oz ----------------------
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:40:00 - [55] There's a number of wallet entries for manufacturing jobs recently. Are there additional blueprints and resources/finished product to be accounted for under the Science & Industry window? Never having been in a player corp I don't know, can a player other than the one running the jobs see that?
JP Moregain Gallente Moregain Guaranty Trust	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:48:00 - [56] Edited by: JP Moregain on 17/08/2006 16:48:43 Originally by: EMFi Manager Kal, could you please also include the balance of UEMA bank account with EIB in the audit result? Regards, Just wondering if this has been addressed somewhere and I am missing it in my old age JP fumbles around for some Ben Franklin looking glasses, since he refuses to use the 'newfangled' ocular enhancements... "In JP We Trust, All Others Require Collateral..."
Barbicane The Gun Club	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:10:00 - [57] Originally by: SonOfAGhost There's a number of wallet entries for manufacturing jobs recently. Are there additional blueprints and resources/finished product to be accounted for under the Science & Industry window? Never having been in a player corp I don't know, can a player other than the one running the jobs see that? Yes, it can be seen from the industry window. Well spotted. It would also be interesting to see the "Corp Orders" tab of the market window since we can see that Mung is selling something on the market (presumably t2 DLP lasers?). Those entries wouldn't be in the corp wallet unless the sales were done on behalf of the corp. Unfortunately the exact details of what was sold will only appear in Mung Lore's personal wallet. That's a known bug. But if the sell orders are still active they will be visible in EIB OfficialUEMO's market window.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:12:00 - [58] I for one have no ***** clue what the is going on. Please state: 1) Capital disbursed to UEMA 2) Capital disbursed by UEMA to shareholders 3) Retained earnings (you may not know, which is your ***** fault) 4) Capital at end of period These are the only quantities that matter for your audit, anything else is storytelling.
JP Moregain Gallente Moregain Guaranty Trust	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:24:00 - [59] Some additional questions. 1) If one reads back a few months ago to the early post you can find that Mung uses the words "give" and "donate" versus borrow or lend in reference to said 3 big expensive BPO's http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=359851&page=1#1 So help me understand why they should not be considered assets of the shareholders donated to help increase the value of the IPO? 2) If one looks back to the original EIB insurance contract as posted here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=353390&page=1#3 There is no "option 1" as is being described by Kal in the OP of this thread. My question is: is option 1 just something that the insured shareholders can take if they want it, or do you plan on possibly forcing it if that appears to be better from EIB's standpoint. If the latter is true, please help me understand how you are not refuting your insurance contract. Thanks for your time and best regards, JP "In JP We Trust, All Others Require Collateral..."
Barbicane The Gun Club	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:49:00 - [60] Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Barbicane Wouldn't it be better to allow someone who has not been involved in this scandal do the audit? I reckon it might be difficult to find someone who is not 'involved'. Personally I am already rather prejudiced against both Mung Lore and Cally/Kal, which might affect my ability to see all the aspects. Then again, although both EMFI and DS are somewhat involved, I do believe they hold their reputation in far higher value than potential assets involved. Hence they do have interest to come out of this clean, and thus make rather good and trusted auditors. -Lasse slighly flattered The fact that you are both anti-EIB and anti-UEMA is one reason why I think you'd make a good auditor. In my opinion, that's about as neutral as it gets. I don't mind Dark Shikari doing an audit. I also believe he would try his best to be objective but so far he has seemed to be slightly in favor of EIB and I think that could reflect on what he subconciously chooses to focus on.
Barbicane The Gun Club	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:55:00 - [61] Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: Barbicane I nominate: Heikki Kitty O'Shay Omber Zombie no thanks Ok. The reason I mentioned your name was that you have been fairly silent (thus presumably neutral) throughout this affair, and you have a good reputation. I understand if you don't want to get more involved.
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:06:00 - [62] unfortunately, while I have absolutely no interst in this affair at all, I wish to remain as far away from this situation as is possible. As far as I am concerned, at least from what I have read, Mung is starting to look like a scammer that didn't quite get teh job done, EIB (cally & Kal) are looking more untrustworthy by the minute, and tbh, i want no part of it. ----------------------
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:27:00 - [63] Barbicane, no thanka. I'm allergic to tar babies. Oh, and I solved the Kal-Cally riddle: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/kittyoshay/kal-cally.JPG It seems when Kal updated the EIB blog, he used the same Cally posting account, and just changed the name from Cally to Kal. Now, if he was a different person, why not just create a new blog login, and start posting? Apparently, he thought changing the name would be enough to fool everyone. But by changing the display name of the Cally account he forgot that he had "signed" posts as Cally within the blog entriy itself. Check for yourself, but once a post is off the front page the EIB blog, the blog account that posted is no longer visible. I await a laundry list of insults and lame excuses from Cally/Kal over this. But, it's yet another distraction in the soap opera. -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Ariu Devine	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:37:00 - [64] Edited by: Ariu Devine on 17/08/2006 18:37:28 Kal, A few comments/questions since you choose to ignore me in game. The screenshots you posted are all fine and dandy. They show nothing conclusive either way. For all I know, you could of taken assets out before taking the screenshots. What I want to see is the last 5-7 pages of the journal. Screenshot it and post it. Why are you saying nothing of value exists? The t2bpo itself is worth 3 billion. I believe you're undervaluing everything to make things look worse then they really are. And as someone who themselves used the shares that were in trust to kick the CEO out of a corporation by using a bugged system (yes, its majorly bugged), how can I trust you as well? For all I know, you will do absolutely nothing. No liquidation. No restarting UEMA. Nothing. Just sell off the assets remaining and walk off with the isk. For someone so new in the game, just as I am, you sure as hell supposedly worked your way up the ladder extremely fast to have full access to everything in EIB, unlike most the other employee's who've played longer. That raises questions in my mind. You wont tell anyone your Main. This is my main. Just ask my corp mates. Look in EGSE. Just one of them being this: http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/kittyoshay/kal-cally.JPG Care to explain? From everything I've seen, you are Cally. And i'm sick and tired of these 'you're a scammer' 'You're the scammer' attitude. I want my isk I invest to work for me or have it back. Not deal with this damn drama all the time. Think that's it for now. Ariu - Killer of Drama Queens
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:38:00 - [65] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Barbicane, no thanka. I'm allergic to tar babies. Oh, and I solved the Kal-Cally riddle: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/kittyoshay/kal-cally.JPG It seems when Kal updated the EIB blog, he used the same Cally posting account, and just changed the name from Cally to Kal. Now, if he was a different person, why not just create a new blog login, and start posting? Apparently, he thought changing the name would be enough to fool everyone. But by changing the display name of the Cally account he forgot that he had "signed" posts as Cally within the blog entriy itself. Check for yourself, but once a post is off the front page the EIB blog, the blog account that posted is no longer visible. I await a laundry list of insults and lame excuses from Cally/Kal over this. But, it's yet another distraction in the soap opera. Clearly such a trivial error is proof of a vast conspiracy! goes back to investigating how the fact that this rose has one extra petal implies that the JFK assassination was staged --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Omber Zombie Can I ask a couple of questions regarding your valuation of the corp: 1. Can we have a breakdown in values for those bpo's (what was paid for them)? 2. Can we have a breakdown in values for the items in the delivery hanger (the dpl 2's are worth roughly 250k each) After that, if I were to offer to buy out the shares remaining owned by the EIB, in the interest of restructuring andrunning the corp, how much would I have to pay for those shares? thanks, oz What you seen on the screenshots (should you have seen them) Is all the UEMA assets in their entirety. In all the UEMA had 10.5 billion isk transfered to it which was around 8.5 billion from public money and another 2 billion in loans/advances that the shares were used as collateral. If Mung fails to return stolen assets, then we will consider the BPO's that were 'loaned' to him as UEMA assets. In this case the NAV of the UEMA is going to be around 7-7.5 billion when we consider the 3 billion loss, not including the value of the shares Mung Lore still holds. Potentially, if we liquidated UEMA now, Mung Lore could possibly walk away with close to 6 billion isk because of the 3 billion theft and the 3000 shares he holds. We would have to workout a way to make those 3000 shares worthless, which the only way to do so is to create many more shares and issue an equal ratio to current confirmed investors. If for arguements sake we had those 3000 shares off Mung Lore, then the value of each share would be worked out using this equasion. Current NAV (7.5b) / shares issued 10,360 (8,360 public - 2,000 EIB) = price per share Price per share * total number of shares (30,000) Using this equasion brings the current share value to around 725k each. In this scenario, the value of the shares in our posession that are not owned by us would be around 14 billion isk. If you include the shares the EIB is holding as collateral you would be looking at a purchase price in the region of 15.5 billion isk of which around 14 billion of that would be returned to UEMA as working capital. We will cease our involvement with the UEMA with immediate effect should this proposal go through.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Barbicane, no thanka. I'm allergic to tar babies. Oh, and I solved the Kal-Cally riddle: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/kittyoshay/kal-cally.JPG It seems when Kal updated the EIB blog, he used the same Cally posting account, and just changed the name from Cally to Kal. Now, if he was a different person, why not just create a new blog login, and start posting? Apparently, he thought changing the name would be enough to fool everyone. But by changing the display name of the Cally account he forgot that he had "signed" posts as Cally within the blog entriy itself. Check for yourself, but once a post is off the front page the EIB blog, the blog account that posted is no longer visible. I await a laundry list of insults and lame excuses from Cally/Kal over this. But, it's yet another distraction in the soap opera. Clearly such a trivial error is proof of a vast conspiracy! I'm sure Cally/Kal will come up with some elequent and innocent explanation which the sheeple among you will swallow whole-heartidly. "baaaaa!"
Mung Lore Universal Productions Inc	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Originally by: Omber Zombie Can I ask a couple of questions regarding your valuation of the corp: 1. Can we have a breakdown in values for those bpo's (what was paid for them)? 2. Can we have a breakdown in values for the items in the delivery hanger (the dpl 2's are worth roughly 250k each) After that, if I were to offer to buy out the shares remaining owned by the EIB, in the interest of restructuring andrunning the corp, how much would I have to pay for those shares? thanks, oz What you seen on the screenshots (should you have seen them) Is all the UEMA assets in their entirety. In all the UEMA had 10.5 billion isk transfered to it which was around 8.5 billion from public money and another 2 billion in loans/advances that the shares were used as collateral. If Mung fails to return stolen assets, then we will consider the BPO's that were 'loaned' to him as UEMA assets. In this case the NAV of the UEMA is going to be around 7-7.5 billion when we consider the 3 billion loss, not including the value of the shares Mung Lore still holds. Potentially, if we liquidated UEMA now, Mung Lore could possibly walk away with close to 6 billion isk because of the 3 billion theft and the 3000 shares he holds. We would have to workout a way to make those 3000 shares worthless, which the only way to do so is to create many more shares and issue an equal ratio to current confirmed investors. If for arguements sake we had those 3000 shares off Mung Lore, then the value of each share would be worked out using this equasion. Current NAV (7.5b) / shares issued 10,360 (8,360 public - 2,000 EIB) = price per share Price per share * total number of shares (30,000) Using this equasion brings the current share value to around 725k each. In this scenario, the value of the shares in our posession that are not owned by us would be around 14 billion isk. If you include the shares the EIB is holding as collateral you would be looking at a purchase price in the region of 15.5 billion isk of which around 14 billion of that would be returned to UEMA as working capital. We will cease our involvement with the UEMA with immediate effect should this proposal go through. now your blowing it out of your ass bud, show pics of that money bing put in the corp wallet, your see that only 2billion. Until you can show proff that the money is in the corp wallet then STFU becouse you have no proff and your blowing it up. SHOW PROFF!!
Ariu Devine	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:01:00 - [69] Originally by: Kal D'vogh What you seen on the screenshots (should you have seen them) Is all the UEMA assets in their entirety. In all the UEMA had 10.5 billion isk transfered to it which was around 8.5 billion from public money and another 2 billion in loans/advances that the shares were used as collateral. Please post screenshots showing this.
Mung Lore Universal Productions Inc	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:07:00 - [70] Edited by: Mung Lore on 17/08/2006 19:07:09 Current NAV (7.5b) / shares issued 10,360 (8,360public - 2,000 EIB) = price per share Price per share * total number of shares (30,000) now please tell me how you sent 10bil to me when only 8360 shares sold ? ummm
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:08:00 - [71] Originally by: Dark Shikari Clearly such a trivial error is proof of a vast conspiracy! Nope, just another straw on the camel's back. It's pretty funny, the amount of trivial mistakes that have been made in this whole drama. But it's funny, how Kal was able to take over the EIB and have the tellers/employees fall in line so quick. So, with Occam's razor held against DS's throat, I put forward: There is one person behind Kal/Cally/EIB corp theft alts/etc, who is in over his head, and can't deal with critisim. All these characters are controlled by different people, who take orders from a jailed crimial mastermind. Which is more likely? -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:12:00 - [72] I logged into the blog since I have access to the website account because it is free space were I could upload the screenshots. I simply changed the author from Cally to myself as there was no visable option to add a new user to the blog. I couldn't care less wether you think i'm cally or not. Your opinions mean nothing to me and neither does the posts of every anti-EIB forum *** out there. If it makes you happy thinking i'm cally, then so be it. Call me cally - but you won't get an answer. The EMFi guy you all trust has already confirmed he knows my main characters which are almost 2 and 3 years old. There is no posibility I will be posting with my main pvp character, and I have already posted on this forum with my director character in the EIBI. If you don't like it. Tough. You can demand all you like, it is never going to happen. Unlike Cally, I will do things in the way I think is best and not how the 'mob' thinks things should be done. That was the problem with Cally. Always trying to please everyone. Since i'm at the helm of the EIB now, things are done my way and it is not up for discussion. The EIB is not a democracy it is a dictaitorship, and I am that dictaitor. If we lose public investment - good. It is more of a pain than anything else. We managed fine before we went public, and we will do just fine after. You can use the services we offer on our conditions only. If you don't like it don't use us. Simple. *ing on the forum just makes you look pathetic. Here is my 'views' on the EIB situation. Cally was the mother. You lot were the children. Very spoilt little brats always getting their own way and walking all over Cally. You know the type. Whiney little bastards that stamp their feet when things don't go how they want. Things went how you wanted and things went to **. Now.. Dad has taken over the house and it's his law now. You whine at me? you will get ignored. You demand something from me? You will be refused it. Simple. Do us all a favour and go play on the motorway with the cars.
Ariu Devine EVE Empowerment League Logistical Operations	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:19:00 - [73] Originally by: Kal D'vogh You demand something from me? You will be refused it. is this why you've continously refused to answer my requests for screenshots? Very diplomatic.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:29:00 - [74] Originally by: Ariu Devine Originally by: Kal D'vogh You demand something from me? You will be refused it. is this why you've continously refused to answer my requests for screenshots? Very diplomatic. Diplomats don't demand. You have been arrogant towards me with no good reason other than to 'jump on the band wagon'. You are one of many who currently sit at the bottom of my list of peoples problems to sort out. Whining about it relegates you further down the list. Speak to me respectfully and I will do likewise. Don't and I won't either.
Ariu Devine EVE Empowerment League Logistical Operations	Posted - 2006.08.17 19:49:00 - [75] Edited by: Ariu Devine on 17/08/2006 19:50:54 Ah, so posting facts is being arrogant? Nice that I tried to do some service for those of us with shares to save us money and actually get some results. But since your refuse to talk to me, you can kiss my ass. And to be quite honest, we as the share holders expect to be answered to. We are the ones who invested OUR ISK into the companies. You should be showing US respect, not talking down to us and degrading us as you have been doing since the start.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:24:00 - [76] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Barbicane, no thanka. I'm allergic to tar babies. Oh, and I solved the Kal-Cally riddle: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/kittyoshay/kal-cally.JPG It seems when Kal updated the EIB blog, he used the same Cally posting account, and just changed the name from Cally to Kal. Now, if he was a different person, why not just create a new blog login, and start posting? Apparently, he thought changing the name would be enough to fool everyone. But by changing the display name of the Cally account he forgot that he had "signed" posts as Cally within the blog entriy itself. Check for yourself, but once a post is off the front page the EIB blog, the blog account that posted is no longer visible. I await a laundry list of insults and lame excuses from Cally/Kal over this. But, it's yet another distraction in the soap opera. Basically what happened here is that: 1. Cally has posted numerous messages on info.theeib.com. 2. Kal changes name on Cally's account to Kal (doesn't prove they are the same). 3. The change is reflected on all posts ever made on that account, because the name displayed on blogger is dynamically generated. Kal can easily explain this away by saying that Cally gave him the official posting account info, and he jsut used that instead of making his own account. Anyone can test this for themselves, make a blogger blog, write a post, change your name after you make the post, and the name will change on the old post.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:29:00 - [77] Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 20:32:04 Originally by: Kal D'vogh Unlike Cally, I will do things in the way I think is best and not how the 'mob' thinks things should be done. That was the problem with Cally. Always trying to please everyone. Since i'm at the helm of the EIB now, things are done my way and it is not up for discussion. The EIB is not a democracy it is a dictaitorship, and I am that dictaitor. If we lose public investment - good. It is more of a pain than anything else. We managed fine before we went public, and we will do just fine after. You can use the services we offer on our conditions only. If you don't like it don't use us. Simple. ***ing on the forum just makes you look pathetic. Here is my 'views' on the EIB situation. Cally was the mother. You lot were the children. Very spoilt little brats always getting their own way and walking all over Cally. You know the type. Whiney little bastards that stamp their feet when things don't go how they want. Things went how you wanted and things went to **. Now.. Dad has taken over the house and it's his law now. You whine at me? you will get ignored. You demand something from me? You will be refused it. Simple. Do us all a favour and go play on the motorway with the cars. This has gone far beyond trying to get you to do things a certain way. You are fighting yesterday's battle.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:31:00 - [78] Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? * Currin Trading makes a post accusing the EIB of being a ponzi/pyramid scam. * EIB 'employees', alts, and investors jump to Cally's defence. * Lots of forum whoring ensues. * Under pressure, Cally posts many lengthy posts with lots of nice long words "explaining" how the EIB works. Unfortunately not much of it makes sense, less of it answers the questions asked, and some of it is ridiculed by neutrals that know a damn sight more about eve market fundamentals than Cally claims to know. The heat is on. * EMFi volunteers to audit EIB to alleviate investors concerns. Initially Cally is hostile to an audit but bends under public pressure. The heat is turned up. * The audit gets underway but doesn't make much progress due to Cally's catastrophic run of extreme bad luck. The audit is stopped in its tracks. * Lots more forum whoring ensues. * Due to Cally's "disappearance" the UEMA episode springs into being. The heat is back on. Cally becomes more desperate, and in her quest to avoid a full transparent audit and the UEMA withdrawal from EIB/EIBI she cooks up a ludicrous story of having been nearly decapitated when the bus she was on got wedged under a bride. * Lots of forum hilarity ensues. * Cally's latest excuse at avoiding the audit is shot down in flames and exposed as yet another lie. The heat is well and truly on. * Not even the most skeptical out there would swallow the latest lies, so Cally becomes expendable and totally untenable with any association to EIB. There's only one thing for it - Cally becomes a jailbird and is finally out of the picture once and for all. * Less than 24 hours later, Kal D'vough (a 2006 alt) reappears on the scene. You remember Kal?, he's the one that leaps to Cally's defence whenever the flak is flying - usually posting in the very same Cally threads when the heat is turned up, usually throwing around childish insults when someone asks those really awkward questions (see Ariu DevineÆs posts above and KalÆs uncalled for insults and avoidance at providing information). Heck, he even posts blogs on the official EIB website and signs them as Cally (oops!). But despite having distinctive posting styles (and even identical spelling and grammatical errors as Cally at times), the sheeple amongst you fail miserably in asking the right questions and instead see Kal as some sort of EIB savior and welcome him with open arms. Phew! The heat is off, the audit is long forgotten, the focus is nicely shifted to the UEMA fiasco, and Kal D'vough picks up where Cally left off with a clean slate. But not only that! Kal D'vough is a 2006 alt with no history and no accountability what so ever and is in sole charge of billions upon billions of your isk! How the hell did that happen! I've got to say this has been the most blatantly obvious and most mistake-ridden scam of all eve history made possible only by the people who have believed every single fairy story and lie spoon fed to them by Cally. But itÆs also been the most entertaining episode to happen in eve since the days of Morbor. My only disappointment is that Cally got killed off too early in this adventure..... I really wanted to hear all about the alien abduction which was planned somewhere near the end when it was time to cash out and disappear with all your isk . Oh well. We can all speculate on what misfortunes await Kal DÆvough when the going gets tough. From the looks of it heÆs trying the dictorial approach and nipping any tricky questions in the bud before they spiral out of control. Well done Kal, at least you learned from your previous mistakes BTW, all you sheeple out there deserve exactly whatÆs coming to you.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:42:00 - [79] The thing really doesn't add up to me at all. This whole squable over a few billion ISK when the EIB is worth 50 or a 100 billion makes no sense. Yeah it's a lot of ISK, but its not worth the opportunity cost. I don't think we'll ever know what really happened here. If anything, I hope this saga will lead to some better in game tools. It's also clear at this point that if Kal and Cally (Kal why in god's name choose such a similar name to cally?) are not the same person, then they shared accounts. Ok, not the end of the world in my book, but the rules are the rules. If you get caught, it's not an adequate defense to say "well my neighbor does it, but you didn't do anything to him". bleh
Fitzmaurice Wildly Unsuccessful Pacifists	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Pete Wilson ...when the bus she was on got wedged under a bride. That must have been painful. I feel like I ought to send her flowers or something...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:48:00 - [81] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 20:51:42 Originally by: Pete Wilson Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? I have the greatest idea. Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all... and then liquidate the corporation. Then, once its all liquidated, we can steal all th---waiiiit a minute here! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:04:00 - [82] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 20:51:42 Originally by: Pete Wilson Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? I have the greatest idea. Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all... and then liquidate the corporation. Then, once its all liquidated, we can steal all th---waiiiit a minute here! Still the primary reason i've not pointed my scam finger tbh.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:07:00 - [83] Originally by: Kenz Rider Anyone can test this for themselves, make a blogger blog, write a post, change your name after you make the post, and the name will change on the old post. Although when i first noticed it earlier my first though was.... ah Cally is Kal afterall (remember i was pushing Kal for his main's name in earlier threads). The explaination Kenz details above was my second thought and what I think has happened. As Kenz mentions any of the many blog spot users can test this easily for us now and stop furthr de-railment of the topic from this line. Best Regards, Taur p.s My god were all very jumpy an't we.
Salazar N'terre Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:19:00 - [84] Originally by: Taurequis p.s My god were all very jumpy an't we. well think about it, another IPO has fallen apart and a prominent bank is going thru some re-structuring. On top of all the soap opera drama. Wouldnt it be nice to have a couple months free of scam Ipos? "People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." "Laugh and EVE laughs with you. Cry and EVE laughs louder." -Anonymous
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:23:00 - [85] Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 21:25:05 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 20:51:42 Originally by: Pete Wilson Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? I have the greatest idea. Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all... and then liquidate the corporation. Then, once its all liquidated, we can steal all th---waiiiit a minute here! Nah, I like this idea better..... Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all for a while to gain more trust and more investors, then when the time is right (or if people become too suspicious) we can siphon off most of the isk and tell everyone we've died in real life - while at the same time introduce a new alt under the guise of a totally different person who takes over the reigns and carry's on as if nothing has happened. People are silly and will believe it so trust me it'll work!
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:38:00 - [86] Originally by: Fitzmaurice Originally by: Pete Wilson ...when the bus she was on got wedged under a bride. That must have been painful. I feel like I ought to send her flowers or something... Who? the bride or Cally? hehe, edited it for you
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Pete Wilson Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 21:25:05 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 20:51:42 Originally by: Pete Wilson Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? I have the greatest idea. Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all... and then liquidate the corporation. Then, once its all liquidated, we can steal all th---waiiiit a minute here! Nah, I like this idea better..... Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all for a while to gain more trust and more investors, then when the time is right (or if people become too suspicious) we can siphon off most of the isk and tell everyone we've died in real life - while at the same time introduce a new alt under the guise of a totally different person who takes over the reigns and carry's on as if nothing has happened. People are silly and will believe it so trust me it'll work! OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:42:00 - [88] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Pete Wilson Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 21:25:05 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 20:51:42 Originally by: Pete Wilson Ok. LetÆs sum this whole saga up shall we? I have the greatest idea. Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all... and then liquidate the corporation. Then, once its all liquidated, we can steal all th---waiiiit a minute here! Nah, I like this idea better..... Lets create a corporation and sell shares for 50 billion, solicit 100 billion in investments, then pay out 30% interest on it all for a while to gain more trust and more investors, then when the time is right (or if people become too suspicious) we can siphon off most of the isk and tell everyone we've died in real life - while at the same time introduce a new alt under the guise of a totally different person who takes over the reigns and carry's on as if nothing has happened. People are silly and will believe it so trust me it'll work! OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! And of course those numbers where provided to you by someone who's been exposed as a blatant liar? "baaa!"
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:47:00 - [89] Originally by: Pete Wilson And of course those numbers where provided to you by someone who's been exposed as a blatant liar? Are you now claiming that, for example, if 5000 shares are sold at 10 million each, that the total cost of those shares could be more or less than 50 billion? Or are you saying that even if every single EIB investor got all their cash back, Cally could have magically stolen their money? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Pete Wilson And of course those numbers where provided to you by someone who's been exposed as a blatant liar? Are you now claiming that, for example, if 5000 shares are sold at 10 million each, that the total cost of those shares could be more or less than 50 billion? Or are you saying that even if every single EIB investor got all their cash back, Cally could have magically stolen their money? I'm claiming nothing - except that Kal D'vough is Cally. I don't care how the EIB works, I don't care how much money its made or how much money its lost. You, however, obviously know much more about the inner-workings of it all so maybe you could answer some of the legitimate questions put to Kal D'vough by those that are asking them? But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull****???
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:54:00 - [91] Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 21:55:22 Originally by: Dark Shikari OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! If everyone gets their money back plus their cost of capital, then its not a scam or even a failure. To my knowledge this has not happened yet. And what on planet is that called a balance sheet? Looks like a general ledger, maybe.
Mung Lore Universal Productions Inc	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:57:00 - [92] UEMA IPO: +20 billion only a little over 8k shares were sold thats a little over 8billion 4.1billion is in a BPO, pless there are 2more billion in blueprints in the hangers, thats 6.1billion, I gave about 1.5billion in UEMA assets to the owner of them blueprints. thats 7.6 (for them who is keeping tract. so in other words that there is around 2 or so billion that is still of UEMA's isk in EIB account. The books will back me up on this once a real audit will take place.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:05:00 - [93] Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:05:00 - [94] Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 22:05:34 How much did each BPO listed below cost Mung? Please list each amount individually. 1)Blackbird Blueprint 2)Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:07:00 - [95] Originally by: Kenz Rider Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 21:55:22 Originally by: Dark Shikari OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! If everyone gets their money back plus their cost of capital, then its not a scam or even a failure. To my knowledge this has not happened yet. Well thats my point. If Kal does what he claims he will do, everything is over. The game is up, and the books are clean. Thus, anyone yelling "OMGSCAM" should be saying "I don't believe you Kal, you won't compensate anyone!" instead of completely ignoring the fact that Kal is claiming such a thing. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:09:00 - [96] Edited by: EMFI Auditor on 17/08/2006 22:14:34 Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. I will use evidence I have in possesion (EIB XLS Books) to match payments to UEMA and withdrawals from UEMA's EIB account with the UEMA corpwallet and Screenshots of Mungs wallet. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:11:00 - [97] Originally by: Dark Shikari I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." You speak like it's been done already. -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:12:00 - [98] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 22:13:31 Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Originally by: Dark Shikari I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." You speak like it's been done already. Read my last post please. I don't want to have to copypaste my explanation. Originally by: Pete Wilson Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." Has Cally/Kal given the investors back ALL their money... every last isk of it? As I've stated numerous times before, I don't care if its a scam or not*. The only thing that irks me is how blatantly obvious it is that Cally and Kal D'vough are the same person yet some people just can't see it. If it was blatantly obvious you would have proof that wasn't iffy and circumstantial It is possible* that Kal is Cally. That does not imply that it is probable, likely, or even makes much sense. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:12:00 - [99] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit I know where you are EMFI....Next time i get your pod.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:12:00 - [100] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." Has Cally/Kal given the investors back ALL their money... every last isk of it? As I've stated numerous times before, I don't care if its a scam or not**. The only thing that irks me is how blatantly obvious it is that Cally and Kal D'vough are the same person yet some people just can't see it.
Salazar N'terre Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:18:00 - [101] Originally by: Taurequis Originally by: EMFI Auditor Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit I know where you are EMFI....Next time i get your pod. Glad to see an audit is in progress, hope you and your team can get to the bottom of the he said/ she said crap! "People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." "Laugh and EVE laughs with you. Cry and EVE laughs louder." -Anonymous
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:19:00 - [102] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Edited by: EMFI Auditor on 17/08/2006 22:14:34 Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. I will use evidence I have in possesion (EIB XLS Books) to match payments to UEMA and withdrawals from UEMA's EIB account with the UEMA corpwallet and Screenshots of Mungs wallet. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit I'm not sure how material these amounts are, but they are needed as well: 1) Capital disbursed by UEMA to shareholders (distributions) 2) Retained earnings (profit over the period)
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:22:00 - [103] Originally by: Dark Shikari If it was blatantly obvious you would have proof that wasn't iffy and circumstantial It is possible that Kal is Cally. That does not imply that it is probable, likely, or even makes much sense. Do your own digging and stop being brainwashed by long-winded Kal/Cally posts. And it makes perfect sense when the main player has been proved to be untrusworthy and unreliable. Simply replace it with a brand new character that has a clean slate and continue where you left off. And I must say its worked like a charm (so far).
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:39:00 - [104] For all I know Cally could be a scammer. He could have siphoned enough isk from the EIB and exited at what he though was the exit point. I truely have no idea exactly how much the EIB has made or exactly what it it is worth but without the assets that are supposedly in Cally's possession, we are looking at an EIB net worth of around 250b isk at this moment in time however the vast majority of this is in investments - something not easily liquidated. Supposedly Cally has around 200b isk and various tech 2 blueprints. If this is true and he has the blueprints claimed this asset value jumps to around 400b. If he takes that for himself so be it. This was his project and he owed nobody nothing. In fact the public owe him around 80b in isk through the loans he has given out through the EIB. I think that more than anything, should this all be bull**** from Cally, I expect his intention was to make himself as much as possible in a short a time as possible. Here is one theory I have been playing with. Cally Launched the bank with around 100b in isk and assets. That is a fact, but I believe it was his intention to become either the person with the most isk in EVE history or to start the next stage in the EVE markets financial evolution. Could a player run bank actually work? With no governing body, all the complexities of accounts, records, business deals? Well It has. The EIB has always been legitimate. We used clients money to make more money and give them a percentage of that profit in the form of interest. Essentially we borrow money from the client and make use of it on a large scale while paying a low interest rate for the pleasure. Is that scamming? I don't think so. If a scam has taken place then I believe the only scam that has occured is Cally pulling the wool over our eyes about what he actually has from what he took from the EIB. Looking at the business model and books in more detail we should be worth close to one trillion isk - without public investment. The fact that the EIB corporate wallet and that of the EIBI has always been pretty much empty means everything went to Cally on a regular basis but the results could have been doctored by him when published on the database. So there is no way to know the exact figures he recieved. It could be more than a trillion, it could be less. There is no way for us to know and we will probably never know. The only thing Cally has scammed would be the EIB profits if he is actually guilty of lying to us. Now I personally think the whole situation is bollocx. I did speak to a numnut on Cally's phone number supplied by EMFi but this could have been someone Cally got to give me and EMFi a load of bull. There is no way I can prove or disprove the claims. Could I be Cally? Of course I could. Cally could have posted half of the comments on the EIB issues this last few months. Every single person that has defended the EIB in anyway must be an alt of Cally remember? I know of 24 characters Cally has and not one has logged in these past 2 months for reasons we may never know. All I know is that I will continue to run the EIB, replace Cally as head of the bank and attempt to make it the largest and richest mega corporation in EVE because if I can repeat what the bank has already achieved financially, this could be the case in less than 6 months. Wether that is with public support or not, I am not concerned. We have enough investments to ensure the EIB does not collapse but will infact steadily grow. We have enough business deals to make us isk every month without fail. Being partly public owned served one purpose - neutrality that could hopefully be gained in 0.0 aswell. Thats the only reason for public investment but as far as i'm concerned isk can buy that neutrality where required. Everyone has a price. I have every intention to prove to EVE that we are infact a successful business and we will rule the market. The EIB is far from down.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:42:00 - [105] Originally by: Pete Wilson Originally by: Dark Shikari If it was blatantly obvious you would have proof that wasn't iffy and circumstantial It is possible that Kal is Cally. That does not imply that it is probable, likely, or even makes much sense. Do your own digging and stop being brainwashed by long-winded Kal/Cally posts. And it makes perfect sense when the main player has been proved to be untrusworthy and unreliable. Simply replace it with a brand new character that has a clean slate and continue where you left off. And I must say its worked like a charm (so far). I'm not sure how well it has worked. I doubt many would line up to invest if Kal tried to do another offering tomorrow.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:45:00 - [106] Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 22:44:50 Originally by: Kal D'vogh lots and lots of words And thus the attempt at Kal D'vough distancing himself from Cally begins....
JP Moregain Gallente Moregain Guaranty Trust	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:48:00 - [107] Edited by: JP Moregain on 17/08/2006 22:50:41 Can anyone (who is credible) actualy confirm receiving a payout on a large amount of cash from a deposit account out of the EIB over the last few days? Because if EIB assets are really spread in disarray all over kingdom come (as seemed to be implied by the EMFI auditor) then delaying tactics might actually make sense, especially if they are making no significant payouts of ISK to depositors. You have to fly around, not get podded by cheesed off depositors, put a bunch of stuff up for sale, get proceeds... If they are paying out signficant amounts to depositors then this would seem less likely a strategy. "In JP We Trust, All Others Require Collateral..."
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:57:00 - [108] Originally by: JP Moregain Because if EIB assets are really spread in disarray all over kingdom come Never made a statement about EIB assets but EIBI assets (which is one of the satalite companies EIB alledgedly ran)..
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:59:00 - [109] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Now I personally think the whole situation is bollocx. I did speak to a numnut on Cally's phone number supplied by EMFi but this could have been someone Cally got to give me and EMFi a load of bull. There is no way I can prove or disprove the claims. Well I did speak to the same phone number weeks before this happened (at the start of the audit) a well planned Ruse indeed. Quote: Could I be Cally? Of course I could. Come to TS with me, I will find out if you are Cally or Peter... I am very nasty with questions and stuff. I will also find out if you are 'someone sent to TS to pretend to be you' :P
Gherrick Firestone	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:16:00 - [110] Edited by: Gherrick Firestone on 17/08/2006 23:18:13 Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Kal D'vogh Now I personally think the whole situation is bollocx. I did speak to a numnut on Cally's phone number supplied by EMFi but this could have been someone Cally got to give me and EMFi a load of bull. There is no way I can prove or disprove the claims. Well I did speak to the same phone number weeks before this happened (at the start of the audit) a well planned Ruse indeed. Quote: Could I be Cally? Of course I could. Come to TS with me, I will find out if you are Cally or Peter... I am very nasty with questions and stuff. I will also find out if you are 'someone sent to TS to pretend to be you' :P Fella, he will never, and I do mean never, agree to such a thing. It is painfully obvious to most, including yourself I'm sure, that they are one-in-the-same. It is painfully clear to me as well, that you would be able to identify that person, as you claim. Therefore, he will never agree. Never.
Kerushi Caldari JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:38:00 - [111] Edited by: Kerushi on 17/08/2006 23:38:37 umm... how can u claim that all assets on cally`s account are awol when u have access to the account? Originally by: EIB blog Problems getting into Eve still... Im still unable to get logged into EVE for the time being. Some of you may have noticed today my character logged in, well this was one of the directors logging onto my account in order to transfer some money to the corporation wallet since more working capital was needed. This was due to the amount of withdrawal requests, loans, and floats required for the cashiers. Im hoping that I can get back online for monday since alot of the auditing EMFi needs to do requires me to be online with him, so It is slowing the process. More will follow... he changed his password? account unsibscribed suddently? cally`s char abducted by jovians?
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:50:00 - [112] Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 23:55:03 Originally by: Kerushi Edited by: Kerushi on 17/08/2006 23:38:37 umm... how can u claim that all assets on cally`s account are awol when u have access to the account? Originally by: EIB blog Problems getting into Eve still... Im still unable to get logged into EVE for the time being. Some of you may have noticed today my character logged in, well this was one of the directors logging onto my account in order to transfer some money to the corporation wallet since more working capital was needed. This was due to the amount of withdrawal requests, loans, and floats required for the cashiers. Im hoping that I can get back online for monday since alot of the auditing EMFi needs to do requires me to be online with him, so It is slowing the process. More will follow... he changed his password? account unsibscribed suddently? cally`s char abducted by jovians? 1 million isk says it wasn't Kal that logged on. 2 million isk says the account password has indeed been changed since that day. 3 million isk says the account has expired. 4 million isk says the account is banned. 5 million isk say Kal D'vough will post another 10,000 word essay that reveals absolutley nothing. 1 solitary isk says Cally`s char was abducted by Jovians (probably the most likely of them all tbh so I'm edging my bets). Any takers?
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Kerushi he changed his password? account unsibscribed suddently? cally`s char abducted by jovians? Shhh, this is the part where we let them think they got away with it. Cally's due for a surprise reappearance once Kal "I'm your daddy now" D'vogh slips up. -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Kerushi Caldari JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:59:00 - [114] Originally by: Pete Wilson 1 million isk says it wasn't Kal that logged on. 2 million isk says the account password has indeed been changed since that day. 3 million isk says the account has expired. 4 million isk says the account is banned. 5 million isk say Kal D'vough will post another 10,000 word essay that reveals absolutley nothing. 1 solitary isk says Cally`s char was abducted by Jovians (probably the most likely of them all tbh so I'm edging my bets). Any takers? made my day lmao, i`ll take #5 Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Shhh, this is the part where we let them think they got away with it. Cally's due for a surprise reappearance once Kal "I'm your daddy now" D'vogh slips up. kinda funny that only a few think that
Semblence	Posted - 2006.08.18 02:23:00 - [115] Originally by: JP Moregain Edited by: JP Moregain on 17/08/2006 22:50:41 Can anyone (who is credible) actualy confirm receiving a payout on a large amount of cash from a deposit account out of the EIB over the last few days? Yes I think I can help. I am a nurse from a Middlesbrough hospital and I can confirm I was bribed with ISK to let Cally use my email. This was while he was in hospital. After the bus crash. Before getting arrested and sent to prison. (But after he was abducted by aliens.) Is that clear enough for you?

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Ariu Devine EVE Empowerment League Logistical Operations	Posted - 2006.08.18 03:46:00 - [117] Kal, I will take this opportunity to apologize for my earlier remark of 'kiss my...' and provide an explanation. About two weeks after UEMA's IPO went public through EIB, I started to see that it was in fact a bad deal for Mung. People were already talking of 'scam this' 'scam that' as they always do with every public company out there now. I will agree, Mung's knack for becoming postal when posting was a big issue, but at the same time, he was passionate about making this company work. During this time, he had been trying to get in contact with Cally to actually get some of the BPO's installed and locked down so he could start production. But as usual, Cally was non-responsive. Mung was becoming frustrated. Investors were asking questions. The fire was building. Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. At this time, I was upset about what happened. Excuses came as to where Cally was again. UEMA was not in a good position with the contract, which is now known to be totally one sided, and votes were done. Each time it passed. Bugged or not. Cally stated UEMA could leave but assets were not transfered. You came in to the picture at this time and said that UEMA could not leave and could not have the stuff. You said that Mung broke the contract first. Which is not true at all. It was found due to Cally being gone, that EIB could not up hold their end. At this point, i've finally had it. To many accusations, excuses, threats, etc flying around. You chose to ignore requests for certain screenshots and proof, but instead call all investors spoiled children and hurling personal insults. And that if we didnt' like it, to leave. How? When I have shares of UEMA. I've sold my EIBI stuff. Everyone is at fault here. Your PR skills suck, to be blunt. Mungs do as well. And I said things I should not have, but I'm tired of the bullcox and just want what I can get back from my investment. I want to see all the investors repaid as per the contract. The contract does not state anything about EIB taking it over. Yet, with important information I sent to you early this morning, before your posts, you choose to ignore it. But we will see what happens with the EMFi Audit now. I believe the ball is in your court.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2006.08.18 07:41:00 - [118] Edited by: Eilene Fernite on 18/08/2006 07:41:11 Originally by: Dark Shikari I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." DS, could you explain why you think Kal will actually return all the isk to the investors? Or if you think he won't, could you explain why you haven't said so before? Before you answer, look at some of the facts. 1. Kal refuses to disclose his main, staying safe from accountability 2. Kal has stated that the EIB can do just fine without troublesome investors 3. Kal has shown to not really care much about investor's opinions
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.18 08:52:00 - [119] Originally by: Ariu Devine Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. Cleanning out UEMA = taking 350mil from corpwallet.. which was returned.
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:05:00 - [120] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Ariu Devine Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. Cleanning out UEMA = taking 350mil from corpwallet.. which was returned. Gotta love the way people skim through a post, pick out the smallest detail they think they can argue against, and conviently ignore the rest. Selective reading ftl
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Lord Vager Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Ariu Devine Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. Cleanning out UEMA = taking 350mil from corpwallet.. which was returned. Gotta love the way people skim through a post, pick out the smallest detail they think they can argue against, and conviently ignore the rest. Selective reading ftl I am not arguing with Ariu, just correcting a slight misfact which he used. I stopped arguing on this subject tbh, but will throw in what I know. Gotta love the way peopl skim through a tread, pick a post, put a brown paper back on their head and try to be taken like a serious participant in a discussion.
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:37:00 - [122] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Lord Vager Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Ariu Devine Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. Cleanning out UEMA = taking 350mil from corpwallet.. which was returned. Gotta love the way people skim through a post, pick out the smallest detail they think they can argue against, and conviently ignore the rest. Selective reading ftl I am not arguing with Ariu, just correcting a slight misfact which he used. I stopped arguing on this subject tbh, but will throw in what I know. Gotta love the way peopl skim through a tread, pick a post, put a brown paper back on their head and try to be taken like a serious participant in a discussion. Its not like its just this thread or that particular post though is it? It seems like its a running theme here. Avoid all the incriminating answers, dodge all the awkward questions, post little snipbits here and there, and reveal as little as possible using as many words as you can.
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:38:00 - [123] Originally by: Lord Vager <something someone of no importance said huh, what?
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:40:00 - [124] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Lord Vager <something someone of no importance said huh, what? exactly
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:51:00 - [125] Originally by: Lord Vager exactly Lets say you are having a few mates over at your house for a few beers, and there is a heated but friendly discussion going on about politics. One side of the argument feels like there should be no military intervention in Mexico and the other side feels like military intervention in Mexico is beneficial for GDP of the state and will actually prevent immigration from Mexico into Texas. This discussion goes on for a bit, there are a lot of laughs and beer and pretzels flow richly. While you are going to the kitchen to get a new sixpack out of the fridge, the doorbell rings. You think, someone from the Red Cross? The Cancer Organisation or maybe it is the postman delivering that long awaited package. You stroll to the front door and open it... You see a non-descript man, he is wearing a grey suit and his hair is combed backwards using a lot of Hair Gel. You wait for a second and then you finally ask: "Yes?..." Instead of introducing himself the non-descript man says: "Actually! You are looking at it all wrongly, Military intervention in Mexico will cause the walls to break down and refugees will cause MORE immigration, you are only saying this becuase you are a racist yourself and are looking after your own backyard!" Shocked you stare at the non-descript man in your door, so you ask him "Errr, who are you? and what are you doing at my house? and why are you trying to get into the argument?"... The man looks irritated and starts shouting: "Just becuase I am a non-descript man and I am not a stakeholder in the argument doesn't mean my argument isn't VALID!" You sigh and decide to throw the door in his face.. BAM ... you stroll back to the lounge and pass around teh sixpack amongst your friends. Regards,
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:55:00 - [126] Originally by: EMFI Auditor lots of irrelavent words Damn, you're starting to sound like Kal Dvoug (lets not open that can or worms!)
EMFI Auditor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.18 10:02:00 - [127] Originally by: Lord Vager Apology accepted o.O an alt with a sense of humor :P Seriously, if you want to be taken serious as someone who stands behind his arguments... well... then... stand behind your arguments. Otherwise it is "just someone stirring trouble with an alt, boost the drama" ------------------------------------------ "The only thing I am gonna argue with alts is wether I should argue with alts." -- Naphtalia 2006
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.18 10:05:00 - [128] Actually I'm bored at work and had nothing better to do than troll a few posts. But my troll-break is over now - gotta go back to work I may be back if I smell food. Have a good day
EMFI Auditor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.18 10:06:00 - [129] Originally by: Lord Vager Actually I'm bored at work and had nothing better to do than troll a few posts. But my troll-break is over now - gotta go back to work I may be back if I smell food. Have a good day I love feeding the trolls... what is your favourite diet.. (btw you CAN troll with your main!!!) ------------------------------------------ "The only thing I am gonna argue with alts is wether I should argue with alts." -- Naphtalia 2006
Kristin Bergljot Minmatar Marcionite Trading and Reclamation	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:37:00 - [130] I think that your analogy falls apart at one critical point: A public forum isn't the same as a private residence. It's not your house. Originally by: EMFI Auditor Come to TS with me, I will find out if you are Cally or Peter... I am very nasty with questions and stuff. I will also find out if you are 'someone sent to TS to pretend to be you' :P So, you don't know who Kal D'vogh's main is??? That's interesting.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:00:00 - [131] Originally by: EMFI Auditor The man looks irritated and starts shouting: "Just becuase I am a non-descript man and I am not a stakeholder in the argument doesn't mean my argument isn't VALID!" You sigh and decide to throw the door in his face.. BAM ... you stroll back to the lounge and pass around teh sixpack amongst your friends. If your analogy is valid, that would mean you are on a sixpack sharing basis with Kal d'vogh... This is the internet. You know, that thing where millions of anonymous people have opinions, and post them. Just because YOU don't know someone, doesn't make their opinion any less valid. Still, it's interesting to see how soon the 'omg alt' argument is brought out when a ask a difficult question.
EMFI Auditor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:32:00 - [132] Lets just say I prioritize my time, and people I know or I consider friends or are shareholders have a higher priority for my attention. You will see that during times of low forumwhorage I do read and sometimes respond to alt post. You have to admit that someone unwilling to stand behind his oppinion, is less worthy of my time then someone willing to stand behind his oppinion. I honestly don't give a flying frisbee about an alt, I know how alts are used often they don't even have an oppinion but are just using for the amusement of the drama. Often someone flames himself with an alt, often someone flames someone else with an alt pretending to be someone else. NOT because the poster feels that way but becuase the poster wants to make someone else feel that someone else feels a certain way. I don't have time for that, sorry. If the question is valid and concerning ennough I am sure that someone that shares that feeling is willing to ask it. ------------------------------------------ "The only thing I am gonna argue with alts is wether I should argue with alts." -- Naphtalia 2006
EMFI Auditor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:37:00 - [133] Originally by: Eilene Fernite If your analogy is valid, that would mean you are on a sixpack sharing basis with Kal d'vogh... Nah it means that I would have a sixpack with anyone that wishes to debate anything of interest with me. Originally by: Eilene Fernite This is the internet. You know, that thing where millions of anonymous people have opinions, and post them. Just because YOU don't know someone, doesn't make their opinion any less valid. Here I disagree, this isn't usenet or an open forum, this is a communication channel for the podpilots in the game EvE Online, you can only post here if you are a (paying) customer and have an active (main) character. Also just because someone may say something that may be valid, the fact that isn't actually a SOMEONE that says it but a NOONE (read: alt) means I don't have to waste my time on NOONEs oppinion. However anytime that a main has validly asked the same question that noone has asked before I will repond to it with the respect that that someone deserves. ------------------------------------------ "The only thing I am gonna argue with alts is wether I should argue with alts." -- Naphtalia 2006
EMFI Auditor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:41:00 - [134] Originally by: Kristin Bergljot I think that your analogy falls apart at one critical point: A public forum isn't the same as a private residence. It's not your house. This isn't a public internet forum where anyone with an IP can share his oppinion, this is a closed forum where you need to have a main character in game to be able to participate in discussions between pod pilots. But since indeed I don't own this forum I will change the analogy to a Public house where you sit at a table debating an interesting issue and someone with a brown paper bag on his head just starts to offer his oppinion. Well, unless he offers a round of Ale as well he will be ignored. Quote: So, you don't know who Kal D'vogh's main is??? That's interesting. I am saying that I don't know for sure which RL person is playing the Kal character now and if that RL persons voice is same to Cally or Peter. :P ------------------------------------------ "The only thing I am gonna argue with alts is wether I should argue with alts." -- Naphtalia 2006
Mox Trident Minmatar Trident Logistics	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:59:00 - [135] Edited by: Mox Trident on 18/08/2006 14:04:37 Originally by: EMFI Auditor Here I disagree, this isn't usenet or an open forum, this is a communication channel for the podpilots in the game EvE Online, you can only post here if you are a (paying) customer and have an active (main) character. Anyone who has any active account can post here - even those on non-paying trial accounts (unless there is some rule I've missed, quite possible). As far as I know the only forum where alts are barred from posting is in the Corporate and Alliance Discusion forum. Originally by: EMFI Auditor Also just because someone may say something that may be valid, the fact that isn't actually a SOMEONE that says it but a NOONE (read: alt) means I don't have to waste my time on NOONEs oppinion. Thats a weak cop-out TBH but I respect your views. IMHO whether someone posts with a main or an alt has zero bearing on the content of their post if the points they're raising are valid and not just troll fodder. From what I've seen here a lot of the alts have made much more sense and asked much more thought provoking questions than most of the mains. You've already "wasted your time" by replying to some of them, so I guess you did value their opinions to some extent afterall? Originally by: EMFI Auditor However anytime that a main has validly asked the same question that noone has asked before I will repond to it with the respect that that someone deserves. I think this is the main problem. Lots of mains ARE asking valid questions and are being left frustrated with the replies they're getting - even to the point where those supposidly answering the questions are resorting to insults to deflect the truth. Just my 2 isks worth.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 14:10:00 - [136] Originally by: Mox Trident I think this is the main problem. Lots of mains ARE asking valid questions and are being left frustrated with the replies they're getting - even to the point where those supposidly answering the questions are resorting to insults to deflect the truth. Often because those mains are asking questions that cannot be answered without violating someone's trust. For example, lets say Kal told me who his main was, but told me to never tell anyone. If I answered the question "who is Kal's main" with his main, I would be breaking his trust. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Mox Trident Minmatar Trident Logistics	Posted - 2006.08.18 14:27:00 - [137] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mox Trident I think this is the main problem. Lots of mains ARE asking valid questions and are being left frustrated with the replies they're getting - even to the point where those supposidly answering the questions are resorting to insults to deflect the truth. Often because those mains are asking questions that cannot be answered without violating someone's trust. For example, lets say Kal told me who his main was, but told me to never tell anyone. If I answered the question "who is Kal's main" with his main, I would be breaking his trust. Fair enough, but why would someone who's been entrusted with billions of isk of public money not reveal who his main is? If one single thing could wipe away all these conspiracy theories it would be for Kal(Cally or whoever) to reveal exactly who they are and stand up to be held accountable if they don't come good on their statements. I don't care if Kal's main is Ginger Magician or any other high-profile PvPer or alliance leader, with the amount of other peoples assets he has in his grasp there is no valid reason for him to hide behind an alt other than to avoid accountibilty. If I was an investor I'd be asking how a faceless alt that no one knows anything about got sole access to my billions!
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:29:00 - [138] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Edited by: EMFI Auditor on 18/08/2006 09:57:03 Originally by: Lord Vager Another oppinion by someone 2days in the game in a noobcorp Huh what? (btw fyi I am really not reading what you wrote so if you wrote an appology I appologize) Hey now, let's not be bashing on the noobcorps. I can't speak for the other corps but RMS is good people.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:31:00 - [139] How he got access is irrelevant. Either way, it was given to him by Cally or some other EIB director who felt him worthwhile to entrust this level of access too. Right now, Kal has zero need to show his main. Obviously doing so would make us a little more comfortable having our funds in his hands. However, with his level of access, he could have easily logged his director into EIB etc, taken everything he wanted, and moved along without ever making a forum post. My question. Why even bother posting here if this was a scam? Why not just take it all and run? I keep thinking along the lines of: Scammer joins an extremely well off corporation. Manages to obtain full access to the hordes of resources owned by the corporation. The corporation leader disapears. Therefore, all those hordes of cash are now sitting there, and no-one knows that scammer has access too it (as leader has vanished). Does scammer : a) Take everything he can get his hands on and make a clean getaway, with no-one ever (or not for weeks/months) finding out that the assets are missing, b) Post publically that he is planning on taking over the operation and things have to be done his way. His long-term goals (obviously) are always to scam the corporation as he is a scammer. Scammers have to put a time value on their heist. A 25 billion isk heist after 3 days of work is always more beneficial to a 25 billion isk heist after 1 years work. So, why drag it on? So many people here are positive that this is a scam. If so, then why the hell is Kal here, why doesnt he just stop posting right now and take the cash that he has full access too. Why wait for more people to withdraw funds and devalue his heist? If Kal was intending on scamming EIB, it would have been well and truly done already. Why would he waste his time trying to defend and recreate the corporation as he has done in these threads when it is completely unnecessary? The ONLY possible scam scenario I can see from all of this, would be that Kal believes he can build the corporation to a higher point than it is now. We all know that withdrawals over the past 4-8 weeks have far exceeded deposits, due to Cally's disapearance etc. So if Kal indeed does have this view, then he has one hell of a job to do. Leads me on too the next point. If he is doing this, surely he would have rainbows and butterflies coming out of his backside. He wouldnt be using his current "I don't care if you guys stay or go etc" attitude. Unless of course it is a double fake triple play scam. If that were the case, then hell, we deserve to be scammed. Insured Research and Production Services
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:40:00 - [140] Edited by: SonOfAGhost on 18/08/2006 15:42:37 Originally by: Mox Trident I don't care if Kal's main is Ginger Magician or any other high-profile PvPer or alliance leader, with the amount of other peoples assets he has in his grasp there is no valid reason for him to hide behind an alt other than to avoid accountibilty. If I was an investor I'd be asking how a faceless alt that no one knows anything about got sole access to my billions! The way earlier posts about keeping his main hidden were phrased I think you have it backwards. The impression I got was that the main should remain hidden to protect EIB/EIBI from people who have strong (negative) views of his main, not the other way around. Whether because is a prominent pirate that people hate for podding him, or a member of an alliance that might lead members of other alliances not trust them with their business or even wardec as being a proxy for that alliance.
Alassra Eventide Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.18 15:43:00 - [141] Alright. After all these other conspiracy theories out there, I feel I have to post The Truth(TM): Cally, Kal, Mung, Currin, etc. all are in the posession of one man. One man, who self admittedly "invented the internet". That's right. Tired of not getting the credit he feels is due, Mister Al Gore - that's right, THE Al Gore - has decided to take over all of the Galnet. He obviously feels that synthetically creating the largest uproar in the recent history of EVE will allow him to carve a foothold into the Galnet, and then allow him the entry into controlling ALL-OF-EVE(tm)! From this point, due to "secret" communications I have seen by using high-powered binoculars and open windows in his house, he will use his power and influence to take over all of the internet using the contacts and power he has gained here. Now, anyone else disagree? BTW, OZ killed JFK. I bet him 20 ISK he wouldn't. I lost that bet. (Hint: The thermos is actually a smartbomb, that recgonizes non-JFKans as loot cans)
Rthor Gallente Smugglers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.18 17:31:00 - [142] Originally by: Ricdic My question. Why even bother posting here if this was a scam? Why not just take it all and run? This is a non-sensical argument even though it keeps reappearing. Cally said the exact same thing and yet "officially" he did it. Really he did. Cally said this and disappeared with money. So I think this alone answers your question and proves your argument non-sensical. Also, Cally and Kal both are similar in making this argument. They both basically said that they dont want to scam because whatever Cally did was not scam. For some reason they feel a need to try to prove to everybody that they did not scam anybody. And this is the reason why Kal is doing whatever he is doing. Doing what he is doing in no way proves that it was not or does not continue to be a scam. Maybe they just want to take your money and tell you that they did not. So there you have the second why you dont need to repeat this argument.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:23:00 - [143] Originally by: Mox Trident Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Mox Trident I think this is the main problem. Lots of mains ARE asking valid questions and are being left frustrated with the replies they're getting - even to the point where those supposidly answering the questions are resorting to insults to deflect the truth. Often because those mains are asking questions that cannot be answered without violating someone's trust. For example, lets say Kal told me who his main was, but told me to never tell anyone. If I answered the question "who is Kal's main" with his main, I would be breaking his trust. Fair enough, but why would someone who's been entrusted with billions of isk of public money not reveal who his main is? However even if I knew who Kal's main was, it wouldn't be my job to say so. Nor is it EMFI's. If Kal won't say who his main is, and told EMFI not to either, blame Kal, not EMFI. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:46:00 - [144] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 18/08/2006 19:52:11 If this is supposed to be a scam, then the goals are clearly not to make as much money as possible, even taking shoddy execution and unplanned accidents into account. Its could be some kind of show or form of entertainment (think ISD event, just playerdriven), maybe a powertrip - and what i think is more likely: a study conducted by a group of bored psychology studends (or an division of a secret service) into the nature of control, trust, information management etc in the digitial age. Kal's "new" personality would fit right in. Facts: i sold Cally a BPO worth at least 20b for 5b (and lots of EIBI shares). Some weeks later i received the remaining 20b, as was agreed upon. I received EIBI dividends every month so far (10% as promised), we will see in 3 weeks if i still receive dividends. The question is: why is Kal doing what he is doing? The answer is not: its proof that its not a scam. Did the scam already take place, and all the "suboptimal" results (like Cally paying me for my BPO, people being able to withdraw ISK from EIB etc) are just "fallout", acceptable losses to support the attempts to delay and cover up (only really needed if ebay is involved, since regular players cannot do a thing)? Is the point of this to "scam" without anyone realizing? honestly, i think it works a lot better the BMBE and ISS way. Or maybe its about "the scammer" - maybe he doesnt want to admit that he is doing anything wrong? People are quick with "mental illnesses", i prefer to call it "quirks" ;) Maybe this is RL-drama reaching over into the eve cluster, and everyone involved (currin, mung, cally / kal, maybe ricdic as he was extremely hostile to currin) has OOG motives to shout at each other? There was this talk about macro media, and Heikki managed to link Mung to a supposed scammer - maybe it was an scammer academy plot that went wrong on a personal level? I just dont see a way why a powergamer scammer would want all this drama - and most of it is fueled from within. Something is not right, as unlike in real life, you dont need time to get away. Look at SVE - that guy was honest and upfront: "lolz pwned" (not a quote), i have your cash, deal with it. He actually offered to give me my money back so that i only get scammed once (Gms take money away from him, refund me - i send money back to him - later 25b appear in his wallet, and he is not sure wether the GMs took it from me again or just duped it). Thats how a scammer would behave who is only after the money, not the glory. Nothing personal, nothing evil. It just doesnt add up - too much hatred, noone (that has been spotted by the anti-EIB faction) has voiced his concerns that he lost money with this. Just a lot of what's and if's. And thats the point, if noone lost money so far, then this operation wasnt about money. So either a lot of people lost their money, but either got drowned or just never said anything due to shame. Or the "scam resolution" has yet to take place. With a ! as the head of the bank, who acts arrogant and untrustworthy to the extreme, like an authoritarian dictator. Who on earth would still deposit in EIB? Maybe thats the key. Maybe its all about the answer to this question.
Raziel Coroine	Posted - 2006.08.19 01:49:00 - [145] maybe they dont want public interest in the eib or anything they have money in and want to own it themselves outright keeping all profits to themselfs so they run the show without any interference. Would explain the 'dont need your isk' posts by kal. nice to see uema added to the family tho . hostile takeovers.....you gotta love em.
Ricdics Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.19 02:54:00 - [146] Just for the record, my above post wasn't showing how this cannot be a scam. My above post was showing that if this was a scam, it would either have to be the most poorly designed scam ever in eve, or the most brilliant scam in eve. By brilliant, I mean, pay out everyone who wants to leave. People are amazed that they got ALL of their isk back even after all of this hardship. While not right away, maybe 6 months down the track, people begin slamming money back into EIB. Due to the previous hardships (an amazing amount) still being overcome, new investors are quite confident that the bank in invincible. The bank (after overcoming ALL scam screams by paying out 90% of their investors/customers) is now immune from scam screams. The bank takes hundreds and hundreds of peoples billions. They then reach their trillion or multi-trillion isk scam level, and pull out overcoming all odds, and pulling the greatest and most drama-packed scam ever, in the history of Eve or any MMORPG. The above is the only possible reason I can find for Kal trying to continue EIB operations if this is a scam. If it isn't a scam, he see's Cally's success, and wants to build off it. He doesn't want the EIB to die with a bad name, he wants to see all those who screamed scam look like tards. Who knows his real motivations... This is what I was trying to get at with my earlier post. If this is a scam, nothing seems to make sense in it's execution. Insured Research and Production Services Queues
Ricdics Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.19 03:18:00 - [147] Originally by: Rthor Originally by: Ricdic My question. Why even bother posting here if this was a scam? Why not just take it all and run? This is a non-sensical argument even though it keeps reappearing. Cally said the exact same thing and yet "officially" he did it. Really he did. Cally said this and disappeared with money. So I think this alone answers your question and proves your argument non-sensical. No, there is no "official" evidence to support this. And if he did, why not take the full haul? Why dissapear with 100b when you have 500b in your possession? Quote: Also, Cally and Kal both are similar in making this argument. They both basically said that they dont want to scam because whatever Cally did was not scam. For some reason they feel a need to try to prove to everybody that they did not scam anybody. And this is the reason why Kal is doing whatever he is doing. Doing what he is doing in no way proves that it was not or does not continue to be a scam. Maybe they just want to take your money and tell you that they did not. So there you have the second why you dont need to repeat this argument. And how much sense is there in this? In Cally's case, sure he had a main with a reputation to uphold. In Kal's case as an alt, he has nothing at all to lose by running off with everyone's funds. No-one knows his main (except EMFi possibly). Why wouldn't Kal just log on, take everything, and log off without ever making any sort of post on the forums. EMFi would likely have never known this had happened had Kal not posted here. So my argument still stands. While Kal could be a scammer, I can't see how this can pan out. If I were to put myself in a scammers head wanting the best possible outcome: * Maximise the amount scammed * Minimise the time allowed to perform maximum scammage. * Protect your main character at all costs * Design the scam in a way that won't be noticed for months etc, so you have time to begin your next scam without investors having the latest scam on their minds Following the above 4 points in Kal's case: * Maximising the amount scammed, would have been 4+ weeks ago. Giving tellers billions of isk to continue bank operations, knowing full well that there will be a huge amount of withdrawals, completely knocks this point down * Minimising time. Take the funds now while funds are there to take. If a scam, why drag it out any longer and reduce profit obtained from said scam * Protecting your main character. Kal has not listed any main character, however by posting here that he is taking over the operation, he is risking the chances of his main character being discovered through mistakes/accidental main posting, etc etc. He never needed to make a post here to begin with if this were a scam.... * Designing the scam covertly. If the scam was done before Kal ever posted here, then it wouldnt have been discovered for months. This point is also moot as Kal has chosen to advertise everything. In the event of this being a scam, it will now be realised a lot faster due to his posting, rather than the speculation on Cally's whereabouts that were initially being discussed. So as a scam, please list the benefits to keep this operation running. Insured Research and Production Services Queues
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.19 07:58:00 - [148] Edited by: Kenz Rider on 19/08/2006 07:59:11 There have been a number of studies showing that many people don't in fact try to optimize their wealth in their decision making. The popular saying that reflects this is "money isn't everything". There are a number of figures of Wall Street lore that literally had enough money to buy anything they ever wanted, but kept playing the game even after racking up loss after loss until they had nothing. There's a pretty good movie called "Heat" which shows three different psychologies for three people doing the same thing (four really, but I'll ignore the other). The first character is Neil, played by Robert de Niro. He is in for the for the money. He wants to make X dollars, then move to New Zealand and "retire". Another character is Chris, played by Val Kilmer. He needs money because he spends it all faster than he makes it by gambling, and buying is wife expensive things. The third character is Michael, played by Tom Sizemore. He has enough money to support his lifestyle and live happily ever after already. He continues to "take scores" because he enjoys it. That's it. For him it is about the score, not the money, although the money is a nice acoutrement. (Incidently, the fourth guy does it because that's what all his friends do, essentially). A lot of us tend to think that most people are like Neil, but I think far more people are like Chris, Michael and the (fourth) guy. P.S. Fourth guy is Trejo in the movie, and his name in real life is Danny Trejo. P.P.S. You also have Vincent played by Al Pacino. Although he is on the other side, in many ways he has a similar life, but completely different motivations, perhaps akin to the "CEO" of a non-profit.
Ricdics Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:36:00 - [149] Anyone who hasn't already will want to read this thread : Information on Cally. I am simply linking it. I haven't quite wrapped my head around it as I had spoken to him on numerous occasions. I suggest you all take care in your posting, to ensure this thread isn't closed, and you don't say anything you may one day regret. Insured Research and Production Services Queues
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:09:00 - [150] I felt a bit physically sick after reading that. I certainly hope we can all put things in perspective for a bit and honor cally as a person.
newsreader	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:23:00 - [151] thats if its true of course, after so many blatent lies how can anyone know whether or not this is just another excuse and attempt at deciet?
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:35:00 - [152] Man I just got up after a night on the town, so I hope i'm still half cut and aint read that right. What a perfect thing to read first thing in the morning after a hangover. That guy who posted it knows him in RL. I know this through ventrillo convo's over the years with them both and personally have PVPed with that guy on many occassions so why would he post something like that if it was a lie. Hospital lie? yes, Prison lie? maybe but death... that's different. It's not something you lie about and I would never have put Cally or the poster down as someone who would make a sick joke such as that. I suggest anyone who has suspicions on this keep them to themselves as a sign of respect. If you joke or question this I will personally make your gaming life hell for the next year.
newsreader	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:44:00 - [153] Originally by: Kal D'vogh If you joke or question this I will personally make your gaming life hell for the next year. Promise and as far as using death as a scam it wouldnt be the first time it's been tried on these forums i believe
Ricdics Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:54:00 - [154] Originally by: newsreader Originally by: Kal D'vogh If you joke or question this I will personally make your gaming life hell for the next year. Promise and as far as using death as a scam it wouldnt be the first time it's been tried on these forums i believe If you are referring to GPSx, there is no proof to determine otherwise. This situation is different however, as an established eve player has confirmed it. Obviously we may never know, but as Kal has said, in the event that this has happened, we don't want to be making shrewd comments about it. You can use eve search on that link to see the unedited posts, and you will see why that thread was closed. Let's not send this thread down the same path. Insured Research and Production Services Queues
Dagam Dagam Corp	Posted - 2006.08.19 10:33:00 - [155] Quite saddening if someone lied about a RL death to scam some virtual cash.
Ariu Devine EVE Empowerment League Logistical Operations	Posted - 2006.08.19 10:38:00 - [156] newsreader and Dagam, please edit your posts and keep it civil. T will just come along and lock this thread if you keep posts like that and others follow through.
Dagam Dagam Corp	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:02:00 - [157] That's a big IF. I don't mean to imply one way or another, but we should consider the possibility that this is the way the player behind Cally is bringing closure to his project. Personally I have no stake in this, I'm a empire mission running main that's been reading these EIB threads with interest. However what caught my attention was this: Quote: If you joke or question this I will personally make your gaming life hell for the next year. Notice how defensive he is. This isn't the normal reaction for someone who just lost his long-time friend, and I've lost people I've known irl and known people who have lost people. He seems more concerned with what we think than about respecting Cally's tragedy.
Rotella	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:03:00 - [158] Hello, I normally don't post and prefare being a passive observer of the forums and its various debates, but I did post in one of these threads not so long ago when I read about CallyÆs unfortunate accident involving a bus crash. The reason I initially posted was because I was in a position to verify that CallyÆs claims of being in that incident were false as I not only live in the northeast of England (Darlington) not far from where the accident occurred, but I also work in the local hospital there. A simple telephone call to my colleagues who work in various hospital departments at both North Tees (where I work) and James Cook University Hospital confirmed that the extent of injuries and the subsequent stay in hospital that Cally claimed was in fact a total lie as none of those invloved where seriously hurt (however a 13 year old child stayed in hospital overnight). So after reading this latest turn of events this morning it wasnÆt a huge surprise to me when I contacted work colleagues within the Coroners Inquests and Registrar and relayed the information given to us by DarkÆ Lord - only to find out that no such ôKieron Jonesö person (or indeed no such incident as described) has been registered within either hospital, Coroners Inquests, or the Registrar what so ever. In fact the last incident that bears even the slightest resemblance to it was in late March of this year and it involved a woman in her early fifties. If need be I will contact the Registrar at Aklam cemetary on monday to confirm what I already know. If the exact incident relayed to us and the name provided to us is totally incorrect then I openly apologise. But from the information provided (names, and details) itÆs a complete falsehood. If this is not the case, I find it wholly sickening that a fellow eve player has used such an incident to his or her own gains. Cally lied about being in a well-publicised bus accident, Cally probably lied about being sent to prison, and I know for a 100% fact that Cally has lied about finally dieing off in the way in which as been described to us. Furthermore, I suggest that this DarkÆ Lord person is most likely in cahoots with Cally, or is indeed just another character/account of the person behind Cally (and most likely Kal DÆvough from what IÆve readà. and I quote ôI suggest anyone who has suspicions on this keep them to themselves as a sign of respect. If you joke or question this I will personally make your gaming life hell for the next year.ö). I no longer want to be associated with this episode û not just because my real life work has become involved in it but because there are just some boundaries you donÆt cross, and using out of game excuses and lies like this just makes me feel ashamed to have such people playing the same game that I love. This entire episode played out on the forums was indeed initially great fun to follow, with great debates and great humour. Unfortunately those perpetrating the false hoods have escalated their lies and excuses far beyond what any decent human being should do. ItÆs disgusting. The rest of you can make your own judgments. I have told you what I know from the privileged position I am in and I am walking away from this whole affair and will make no further comments on it. Make your own judgments.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:29:00 - [159] My reaction was out of being annoyed. And i'm still annoyed. Cally 'was' a friend and if this is all a rouse then yes it's sick but until we have definitive proof either way then this topic should not be debated upon out of respect. When you feel a friend is being attacked in anyway your immediate reation is to defend that friend, no matter the truth behind the situation. I personally did not know Cally's real life name. I did not know him as Cally either, I knew him as a different character - Cally is not his main. The fact that his main I know, or any of his other characters has not logged in for over 2 months suggests something is wrong. I have done some investigating myself and a little under a month ago there was someone who died of an overdose, around the same age as Cally supposedly and it happened in the town of Marton which I believe is in Middlesbrough - Cally's home town. The problem is the name of the victim is not the same one EMFi has given us. So who knows. May I have your personal contact details via [email protected] to speak with you? I would certainly like to know what exactly is going on and how you are in a position to obtain information that I would expect is not easy to come by unless you are infact a family member.
Rotella	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:47:00 - [160] Originally by: Kal D'vogh My reaction was out of being annoyed. And i'm still annoyed. Cally 'was' a friend and if this is all a rouse then yes it's sick but until we have definitive proof either way then this topic should not be debated upon out of respect. When you feel a friend is being attacked in anyway your immediate reation is to defend that friend, no matter the truth behind the situation. I personally did not know Cally's real life name. I did not know him as Cally either, I knew him as a different character - Cally is not his main. The fact that his main I know, or any of his other characters has not logged in for over 2 months suggests something is wrong. I have done some investigating myself and a little under a month ago there was someone who died of an overdose, around the same age as Cally supposedly and it happened in the town of Marton which I believe is in Middlesbrough - Cally's home town. The problem is the name of the victim is not the same one EMFi has given us. So who knows. May I have your personal contact details via [email protected] to speak with you? I would certainly like to know what exactly is going on and how you are in a position to obtain information that I would expect is not easy to come by unless you are infact a family member. I have nothing to say to you Kal D'vough either in the public eye or privately via email because I now believe that you are the one perpetrating all of these lies and pulling all the strings. From what I've witnessed and read, you are Cally and are obviously alive and kicking. I will indeed investigate your claims about the other tragic incident you claim above if I haven't already called in one too many favours already at work. The information I'm privy to comes with the job - a job that I would now like to keep separate from my leisure time. The only reason I've relayed what I know to the eve player-base is because a line has be crossed. You should be ashamed.
Lt Widowmaker	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:57:00 - [161] Edited by: Lt Widowmaker on 19/08/2006 12:01:58 IÆm sorry but I could not help my self in just posting, first IÆm requesting locking of this and will send an e-mail to a mod with the same request. Its one thing to joke around and to made fun, but IÆm sorry you just donÆt make fun of people dieing. From the info I have, I do know this much. EIB didnÆt start off as a scam but as much that went on Cally just wanted to play the game so this was his way out. Dark' Lord / Kal D'vogh / Cally, Ether or maybe your all the same person IÆm almost really to bet that DarkÆ Lord is Kal D'vogh ômainö, and ôCallyö got banned for account sharing about 3 weeks ago when ôhis accounts were hackedö. Its just makes me sick that someone will make up a story like just to get out of running a IPO or to scam. Well itÆs went one step to much. I mean its not a joke anymore. You should never bring real life in to a game, and really you should never bring something like death in to something like this. But to Dark' Lord / Kal D'vogh/ Cally your really low right now, your lower then the gum on the bottom of my boots.
Jager Slade	Posted - 2006.08.19 13:04:00 - [162] Rotella, either as a 7 day old player you have a unique interest in the forums, or you are only willing to make accusations with an Alt. If you believe what you are saying is true, don't hide.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:03:00 - [163] Originally by: Lt Widowmaker But to Dark' Lord / Kal D'vogh/ Cally your really low right now, your lower then the gum on the bottom of my boots. I would think you're even lower, considering you would make such an accusation on simple hearsay. Or do you have evidence that I haven't seen yet? I doubt it. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.19 14:05:00 - [164] By the way Kal, both me and EMFI have been waiting for Junior Accountant permissions to audit UEMA for over a day. Could you step in there and toss the permissions to us? Thanks --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.19 15:39:00 - [165] Sorry DS, my life on the weekend doesn't involve EVE, so I didn't pay attention (think I was drunk when I accepted you) I will make sure you have roles by tonight.
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:09:00 - [166] Originally by: EMFI Auditor I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" I haven't received adequate roles to be able to perform an audit. I have left the corporation awaiting a new auditing job. Maybe DS will have the patience it takes to get ennough information to audit UEMA. For the duration of the audit of UEMA I have been able to find out "nothing". This statement can be considered my "Audit Report" Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:19:00 - [167] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Sorry DS, my life on the weekend doesn't involve EVE, so I didn't pay attention (think I was drunk when I accepted you) I will make sure you have roles by tonight. Thx --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Ariu Devine EVE Empowerment League Logistical Operations	Posted - 2006.08.19 16:31:00 - [168] Edited by: Ariu Devine on 19/08/2006 16:31:37 Originally by: EMFi Manager I haven't received adequate roles to be able to perform an audit. I have left the corporation awaiting a new auditing job. Maybe DS will have the patience it takes to get ennough information to audit UEMA. For the duration of the audit of UEMA I have been able to find out "nothing". This statement can be considered my "Audit Report" EMFi, Please eve-mail me and let me know what I'm to do in regards to what we spoke of. I wasn't able to catch you on yesterday. I will be back on later this afternoon my time.
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.19 18:24:00 - [169] EMFI, I take it you've washed your hands of this sideshow? If so, are you adjusting you portfolio to reflect this? -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.19 18:33:00 - [170] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay EMFI, I take it you've washed your hands of this sideshow? If so, are you adjusting you portfolio to reflect this? As to washing my hands, I have just followed the procedure I announced when I was requested to audit UEMA. My portfolio is already updated (and monthly statement published on my blog) but thx for reminding me I still need to upload my images to my blog.. Alt of Naphtalia Visit my investment site
Shassandra Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.08.19 21:44:00 - [171] Edited by: Shassandra on 19/08/2006 21:45:38 It is with great sadness that I write here now. I'm afraid Michael Moore, the player of Kal D'vogh has died while his jailbus got wedged under a bridge. Is this a joke? No. I am just saying, show me obituaries and I'll believe any claim. Until then Cally's death, or the death of Kieron Jones, is speculation and heresay nomatter who says it, and that is the way it'll continue on any Inet forum where it cannot be proven by a majority of people. I am also saying with the amount of lies that have so far been told from all sides, it is impossible to believe this story, whether made up or fact, until it is proven completely. Also, that the UEMA audit is on hold for Dark Shikari, and the fact that EMFI has already left the Audit for now, shows that Kal is not holding his side of the bargain as has been detailed by his own post. Until he starts doing that, the UEMA shares will be "neutral" and they can be kept like that for a long while. Also, who knows? He might even already be using UEMA for own profit, keeping it in the state of "unknown". And last: I am sorry if my first paragraph, as well as my second, has stepped on anyone's feet. I am just stating one truth of the Internet. I could have chosen any other name, could have made up my own. Michael Moore does exist, but I doubt he plays Eve.
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.19 23:44:00 - [172] Originally by: Shassandra Edited by: Shassandra on 19/08/2006 22:00:28 Edited by: Shassandra on 19/08/2006 21:45:38 It is with great sadness that I write here now. I'm afraid Michael Moore, the player of Kal D'vogh has died while his jailbus got wedged under a bridge. Is this a joke? No. I am just saying, show me obituaries and I'll believe any claim. Until then Cally's death, or the death of Kieron Jones, is speculation and heresay nomatter who says it, and that is the way it'll continue on any Inet forum where it cannot be proven by a majority of people. I am also saying with the amount of lies that have so far been told from all sides, it is impossible to believe this story, whether made up or fact, until it is proven completely. Checking Google for Kieron Jones, Obituary, Middlesbrough or Marton, it shows up blank. This is not conclusive that it has not happened though, but I can get plenty of obituaries from other cities. Size of city can have affect on this. Also, that the UEMA audit is on hold for Dark Shikari, and the fact that EMFI has already left the Audit for now, shows that Kal is not holding his side of the bargain as has been detailed by his own post. Until he starts doing that, the UEMA shares will be "neutral" and they can be kept like that for a long while. Also, who knows? He might even already be using UEMA for own profit, keeping it in the state of "unknown". And last: I am sorry if my first paragraph, as well as my second, has stepped on anyone's feet. I am just stating one truth of the Internet. I could have chosen any other name, could have made up my own. Michael Moore does exist, but I doubt he plays Eve. For your information, Dark Shikari is in the UEMA now and should be able to get on with his audit as role have been set, but I wouldnt consider anything less from another cough bank.
Phantom Neurosis	Posted - 2006.08.19 23:47:00 - [173] Well firstly if the reports are true regarding the recent death of Cally then my sincere condolences. I hope CCP have suspended his account so that nobody can maliciously use it until this is all resolved.
Lt Widowmaker	Posted - 2006.08.20 00:12:00 - [174] Edited by: Lt Widowmaker on 20/08/2006 00:13:27 umm http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=381324
Lala Ru	Posted - 2006.08.20 00:45:00 - [175] Well, Kal D'vogh. Since it has been confirmed that EIB is a scam, can you give us all a reason why anyone should trust YOU?
Kerushi Caldari JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.08.20 01:00:00 - [176] and now every one starts wondering every one yelling and screaming about alt post, yet, every one trust alts with their money... u know, maybe this was a good thing, wake all u lazy bastards up for not giving some alt ur money and stick to respected ppl as they say, easy come, easy go...
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.20 01:14:00 - [177] Just remember everyone, you need to work hard and make back that lost isk, Dentara's going to need you to trust his alt again in about six months! This couldn've have worked out better with a Hollywood script. Starting the bank with only 100m isk, and getting everyone to believe that the bank was backed by Cally's massive personal wealth. Social engineering 4tw! (Oh, my only involvement in this is that I have some EMFI shares. Which is why I spent most of my time holding Naph's feet to the fire, just protecting my investment.) -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Mung Lore Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.20 01:23:00 - [178] for everyone who didnt get to see that video Eve-Wallsreet has it up, the site is massy there are to many ad's so just look past them, most will be removed. http://www.eve-wallstreet.com/ Link is in yello but the video is up
Ricdics Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.20 01:57:00 - [179] I can confirm that Cally was the one in that video. I have spoken to him a fair bit on Venty, and the voice is definetly the same Insured Research and Production Services Queues
Lt Widowmaker	Posted - 2006.08.20 02:39:00 - [180] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lt Widowmaker But to Dark' Lord / Kal D'vogh/ Cally your really low right now, your lower then the gum on the bottom of my boots. I would think you're even lower, considering you would make such an accusation on simple hearsay. Or do you have evidence that I haven't seen yet? I doubt it. still think I'm low?
Sir Juri Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.08.20 02:40:00 - [181] Originally by: Lt Widowmaker Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lt Widowmaker But to Dark' Lord / Kal D'vogh/ Cally your really low right now, your lower then the gum on the bottom of my boots. I would think you're even lower, considering you would make such an accusation on simple hearsay. Or do you have evidence that I haven't seen yet? I doubt it. still think I'm low? damn need to make a new sig...
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.20 02:43:00 - [182] Turns out he is a Michael.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.20 02:55:00 - [183] Well the charade is over. The drama has ended. And I'm out zero ISK! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Manton Nerrin	Posted - 2006.08.20 03:28:00 - [184] DS, don't you think some fallout will hit you for your role in defusing earlier criticism? I note that you got a lengthy props in the video. Without going through it again l got the impression that you were being thanked for your 'amazing 2 sides analysis' (or something) which kept everyone confused. I don't think this says a lot for your judge of character or information tbh! Unless of course you were in on it, in which case enjoy your cut.
Barbicane The Gun Club	Posted - 2006.08.20 08:34:00 - [185] Quote: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=381324 That thread seems to have vanished. Could someone make a quick summary of what it said?
robacz Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.20 09:07:00 - [186] Originally by: Barbicane Quote: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=381324 That thread seems to have vanished. Could someone make a quick summary of what it said? Check Eve Search, thread is still there, including video. ___________ Buying/Selling: Implants, Cargo Expanders and more
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.20 10:23:00 - [187] Originally by: Dark Shikari Well the charade is over. The drama has ended. And I'm out zero ISK! Out zero isk maybe. But also out with zero credibilty to go with it. You've been one of the main pro-EIB advocates in this whole saga, and despite the blatant BS thats been on show for all to see, you fallen for it hook line and sinker (unless of course you were on the payroll from the start?). Now be a good sheep and run along with herd
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2006.08.20 11:29:00 - [188] I'm wondering if the people who have called Mung Lore a scammer in this and other threads, are going to come in here now and post an apology. You know who you are. Or if they're going to stick with their opinion, that was based on the misinformation of what has turned out to be the biggest scammer in Eve. Not just the biggest scammer, but also the biggest ***** (use any profane term you can think off), for actually trying to convince the community of his own death. I would have applauded this scam for being well done, but the false death announcement just made the whole thing lose every inch of respect I could have for it.
RogueWing Caldari Vanguard Frontiers	Posted - 2006.08.21 08:01:00 - [189] Originally by: Eilene Fernite I'm wondering if the people who have called Mung Lore a scammer in this and other threads, are going to come in here now and post an apology. QFT.
Lt Widowmaker	Posted - 2006.08.21 09:33:00 - [190] Originally by: Eilene Fernite I'm wondering if the people who have called Mung Lore a scammer in this and other threads, are going to come in here now and post an apology. You know who you are. also QFT
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.08.21 10:19:00 - [191] Originally by: Eilene Fernite called Mung Lore a scammer .. post an apology. Definetly not; I still hold on to accusation that Mung Lore/Nobues/Lireil Crow is also Nonou/Hansoloo/Kamourses, comfirmed scammer of United Mining thingy. Also reckon those (perhaps not so trustable) logs/screenshots provided by Dentara indicate Mung was already scamming ISKs. The contract with EIB just prevented him scamming as much as he wanted, although this didn't help the investors. -Lasse
Kamouse	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:10:00 - [192] Your one of very few people who think that way!
Pizi Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:42:00 - [193] lol mung took all he can get and is gone for good.. so what we call it ? kal = cally saving face for the next scam 6 month ahead people following like lemmings really really fun soap here
Mung Lore Supero Omnia	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:05:00 - [194] Edited by: Mung Lore on 21/08/2006 13:06:09 Originally by: Pizi lol mung took all he can get and is gone for good.. so what we call it ? kal = cally saving face for the next scam 6 month ahead people following like lemmings really really fun soap here Really? I'm gone? I also took all I could? No I took enought UEMA assets, that were in the hanger to stop EIB from getting them. I used them assets to pay back lost BPO that were not UEMA's that EIB did took. Check your info please before saying something you dont know about. Thanks commming soon! The Wallstreet for eve.
Ariu Devine EVE Empowerment League Logistical Operations	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:09:00 - [195] Edited by: Ariu Devine on 21/08/2006 13:11:44 Originally by: Pizi lol mung took all he can get and is gone for good.. so what we call it ? kal = cally saving face for the next scam 6 month ahead people following like lemmings really really fun soap here I'm going to tell you right now Mung did NOT take all he could. He actually had the best interest of his investors in mind. One thing that was not made public was the fact that I myself held 2185 of the 3000 shares that Kal kept accusing Mung of having and that he would not pay out a liquidation dividend as long as Mung held them. 2185 due to the fact Mung had mistakenly given to many to someone before and was not going to make the investors pay for it. I had tried to contact Kal several times. Each time he chose to ignore me. He even made it sound like he didn't care that I had them, and even made a post similiar to the ones he had already. I then went to EMFi and that was where it was decided that EMFi was going to join UEMA to do the audit, hold the 3k shares until the audit was done, before being given back to Kal for liquidation. At this point, Mung purchased, off the market 815 shares to cover the deficit and make it the round 3000 that was supposed to be there. Now... this was all done with very few people knowing about it. We wanted to keep it low key while trying to get things worked out, then Cally came out of the closet. The main element here was that Mung was wanting to make sure ALL investors were paid back, even the ones that had pre-bought shares before the EIB contract, which was not going to happen according to Kal, people like me. My verdict after having talked with Mung, holding a meeting with Mung and EMFi, etc, is that Mung was not scammming, he was the scammed, just as all of us in UEMA. Think what you will, but I believe Mung is owed an apology.

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