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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:39:00 -
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So i was running transport missions for some standings when i run across someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, if so i wonder how much weight that carries and i know a lot of people that could get into trouble over that then.
xxxxxxx xxxx> delibrate war avoidence btw is in violation on eula
ideas or statements?
ready, set, discuss "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6863
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:41:00 -
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Did you try checking the EULA?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:42:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Did you try checking the EULA?
That, and / or using one of them new-fangled support ticket thingies. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:52:00 -
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Seeing as people have been doing it openly for years now, after they lifted it being an exploit, I doubt it. But I have been know to be wrong. Just ask my wife.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:06:00 -
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Agondray wrote:So i was running transport missions for some standings when i run across someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, if so i wonder how much weight that carries...
It was said in highsec. It carries no weight.
If you were to take everything that highsec says is "EULA breaking" as absolute fact, then anyone with a sec status under 5.0 should be lined up and shot for being a dirty griefing fatherless pirate with mommy issues and envy of the nether-regions. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1520
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:22:00 -
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Ah local chat. The epicenter of reasoning and information. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:23:00 -
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i didnt have time to look at the EULA while i was more concerned on a 800 word essay on the death of 146 people, but now i can and figured a space lawyer might know of it first "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.10.19 05:47:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Agondray wrote:So i was running transport missions for some standings when i run across someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, if so i wonder how much weight that carries... It was said in highsec. It carries no weight. If you were to take everything that highsec says is "EULA breaking" as absolute fact, then anyone with a sec status under 5.0 should be lined up and shot for being a dirty griefing fatherless pirate with mommy issues and envy of the nether-regions. Well, they should anyway, EULA or not. If we charge admission we could solve world hunger! I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
443
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Posted - 2014.10.19 08:00:00 -
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Agondray wrote:So i was running transport missions for some standings when i run across someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, if so i wonder how much weight that carries and i know a lot of people that could get into trouble over that then.
xxxxxxx xxxx> delibrate war avoidence btw is in violation on eula
ideas or statements?
ready, set, discuss
You encountered something we like to call "ELITE HISEC PVPER". They are unable to mount any kind of offensive or defensive against an entity which can cobble up a kitchen sink of more than 4 ships and they will instead sit in a station for a week and wardec something else which cannot fight back.
You are allowed to leave a corporation to avoid a wardec. This subject has caused one of the most entertaining thread in a long while where risk-averse "ELITE HISEC PVPERS" are crying foul due to CCP having tools to mitigate their fun. Lots of tears in that thread, such memories.
Edit: Here's the thread if you feel like going through 1400 posts of bad logic and prolapsed rectums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=372423 |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2014.10.19 08:08:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:You encountered something we like to call "ELITE HISEC PVPER". They are unable to mount any kind of offensive or defensive against an entity which can cobble up a kitchen sink of more than 4 ships and they will instead sit in a station for a week and wardec something else which cannot fight back. Excuse me sir, but as someone who personally claims the title of ELITE "HIGHSEC PVPER" I resent the use of the term to describethose kinds of folks. |
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.19 09:59:00 -
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Corp jumping is practically obligatory when corporations have very little impact on New Eve-O players. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
346
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Posted - 2014.10.19 15:07:00 -
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Time for null nancy's to call for a nerf. |
Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
260
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Posted - 2014.10.19 16:02:00 -
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The war system allows corporations to declare war on corporations, not people. If you leave a corporation which is decced you leave the war behind. Sounds fairly straightforward and not at all like an exploit. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:07:00 -
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Agondray wrote:... someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed.
Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form.
ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
933
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:49:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Agondray wrote:... someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed. Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form.
Awww.. why did you have to step in with a 'definite maybe' awnser.. this thread could have gone interesting places if you didn't :(
Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
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Imuji
Swamphole Holdings Swamphole
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Posted - 2014.10.19 21:29:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Agondray wrote:... someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed. Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form.
In fact. A few important passages from the Terms of Service that apply to an harassment case like this. Remember that CCP is quite arbitrary so there's no guarantee they will keep it up, but you are always able to file a ticket about someone who deliberately harasses you. CCP doesn't take lightly to harassment of newbro's.
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/
Quote:1. You may not abuse, harass or threatenanother player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
Secondly:
Quote:You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.10.19 22:19:00 -
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As in most things, motive is key here:
"WHY did you jump from corp to corp?"
"I just like the new corp. Oddly enough I didn't like the old one."
"BUT, it was in the middle of a WAR!"
"Can I help that? What am I, everybody's MOTHER?"
Of course, EVE is full of little mind readers...
"We KNOW why you changed corps. Don't hand us that transparent crap!*"
(*The contradiction in terms is critical to presenting the prevailing mindset.) I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:00:00 -
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Imuji wrote:In fact. A few important passages from the Terms of Service that apply to an harassment case like this. Remember that CCP is quite arbitrary so there's no guarantee they will keep it up, but you are always able to file a ticket about someone who deliberately harasses you. CCP doesn't take lightly to harassment of newbro's. https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/Quote:1. You may not abuse, harass or threatenanother player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. Secondly: Quote:You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
How is leaving a corporation "abusing, harassing or threatening another player or authorized representative of CCP"? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5501
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Posted - 2014.10.20 07:04:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:How is leaving a corporation "abusing, harassing or threatening another player or authorized representative of CCP"?
Avoiding wardecs by corp jumping is not against the EULA. Chasing people who corp-jump by continually warding that person through multiple corps can be construed as harassment (there are plenty of other fish in the pond, why are you picking on just that one?)
Jumping corps is an excellent way of farming hisec carebear tears though: "it's not fair that it costs me 50M ISK to declare war on this character every time they move to a new corporation! I want EVE to be easy for me! I paid my 50M ISK dammit, now I want some risk free PVP!"
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Varisto
North Star Science And Industry
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Posted - 2014.10.20 08:48:00 -
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Ou dear. One of these threads again...
Leaving corp is normal gameplay even under wardeck...
As someone allready pointed out OP had run into one of these want-to-be-elite-pvp-in-highsec persons. Their usual strategy include mis-information, wardecking defenseless corporations and over all being total idiot about it...
They usually run screaming when someone suddenly can mount even semi-decent defense. In fact most fun i had in eve was turning the table on one of these corps way before wardeck fee changes... Went out hunting them instead... Fools accepted it as mutual.. After few weeks hunting them they jumped their own corp. :P
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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
240
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Posted - 2014.10.20 10:02:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Did you try checking the EULA? Why if he can just post here and let someone else do the work for him? |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
724
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Posted - 2014.10.20 11:58:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Did you try checking the EULA? Why if he can just post here and let someone else do the work for him?
Some people |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:12:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Agondray wrote:... someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed. Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form. The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah.
F Would you like to know more? |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:17:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:Agondray wrote:... someone proclaiming being jumping corps from war decs is against the EULA, You, good Sir, were thoroughly misinformed. Leaving a corporation during a war is not against the EULA in any way shape or form. The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah. F
Ill agree with this if declaring war was harder then it is now, right now I can wardec you for lulz and there isn't anything you can do about it cept leave your corp. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10115
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:21:00 -
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We didn't even make it past the first page before someone whipped out the "harassment" lie again.
For the record, it is not harassment to repeatedly wardec someone if they corp hop or dec dodge you. It is not harassment to suicide gank someone more than once if they continue to fail at defending themselves. They actually have to "make an effort" to avoid you, and that does not include blithely trying to pretend that EVE is a single player game.
You are allowed to make a point in EVE Online, and you are allowed to do it with someone else's repeated demise. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10115
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:24:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote: Ill agree with this if declaring war was harder then it is now, right now I can wardec you for lulz and there isn't anything you can do about it cept leave your corp.
Or, and bear with me here... you could just play the game. Whether that means active evasion tactics, or shooting back. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:36:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: The war should follow the toon however, for one week or until war expires, whichever is sooner. Simply put, if a war mechanic is going to exist in EvE it should be meaningful, not rendered completely meaningless by such a simple exploit of dropping corp and re-forming under another name. Bah.
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Ill agree with this if declaring war was harder then it is now, right now I can wardec you for lulz and there isn't anything you can do about it cept leave your corp. No. Wardec mechanics were already nerfed.
People are choosing to join or form corps, no one is forcing people out of NPC corps. Problem is there is no real consequence side of the join-a-corp equation if people can just drop corp to immediately duck any wars.
Bad wardec-mechanic is bad. Wars must follow someone dropping corp for one week (or until war end), whichever is sooner. This is fair. This is meaningful.
AFTER that is done, we can have a conversation about adjusting (upward) wardec fees, etc. After.
CCP: Its time to un-f#ck the war mechanic.
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
248
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:42:00 -
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clearly Mr. xxxxxx xxxx needs to learn how to EVE. A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg |
Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Adira Nictor wrote: Ill agree with this if declaring war was harder then it is now, right now I can wardec you for lulz and there isn't anything you can do about it cept leave your corp.
Or, and bear with me here... you could just play the game. Whether that means active evasion tactics, or shooting back.
Oh for sure that is an option, until your a new corp with a noob ceo, and no one knows how to pvp. Your not used to losing ships, and you would be right to say these guys shouldn't be CEO's or in these corps to begin with.
The members realize this and leave the corp to escape a bad thing that no one was ready for, but the wardec follows them as they are completely outclassed, and out skilled (RL skill not sp). Now they are stuck docked because they don't know how to avoid the fights otherwise, and when they move 50 jumps away and you locate them its even worse for them.
Either the bar for wardecing needs to be higher if your gonna have wardecs follow members who leave, or the bar to be a ceo needs to be higher so you can handle wardecs and teach your members how to deal with it. I don't see how the ladder could be implemented so the former would have to be, if you were going to have wardecs follow players. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:54:00 -
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Adira Nictor wrote: Oh for sure that is an option, until your a new corp with a noob ceo, and no one knows how to pvp. Your not used to losing ships, and you would be right to say these guys shouldn't be CEO's or in these corps to begin with.
That last part.
Yes, they should not exist. Corps like that very often tell new players to spend their first three months of the game mining. I know this because I recently went on a solo awox campaign, and by far the majority of the "new player friendly" corps I joined tried to funnel me into mining.
If that doesn't hurt player retention, I don't know what does.
Quote: The members realize this and leave the corp to escape a bad thing that no one was ready for, but the wardec follows them as they are completely outclassed, and out skilled (RL skill not sp). Now they are stuck docked because they don't know how to avoid the fights otherwise, and when they move 50 jumps away and you locate them its even worse for them.
You're forgetting about the part where, after the implementation of this, such corps will cease to exist. At which point the problem you are pointing out simply disappears.
Yes, there will be some growing pains when it comes to stamping out the toxic highsec corps that amount to nothing more than glorified chat channels. The end result is worth it. (note, this is pretty much exactly the stance CCP is taking about the nullsec travel changes) "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
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