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DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:44:00 -
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A friend got ganked in a Raven yesterday ratting.
He thinks that the person in the Mega was about 20k away and he NEVER was able to target her but was scrambled. So, assuming it was a standard disrupter, he had to have been accurate (within 20k).
He tried to target and it would highlight yellow for a second or two and then go off. He wasn't being jammed naturally, so does this mean she was using enough dampeners to be out of range for him?
He has around 80k range I believe, so this would mean that she had to have multiple dampeners on?
Anyone have any insight as to what might have occured?
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Garramon
Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:47:00 -
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If he was engaging serpentis rats at the time he was attacked, they could have sensor dampened him. For some reason the fact that ~50% of the people replying to the thread fail to read and understand the point of the OP is hilarious. |
Giant Haystacks
Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: DrakeStone A friend got ganked in a Raven yesterday ratting.
He thinks that the person in the Mega was about 20k away and he NEVER was able to target her but was scrambled. So, assuming it was a standard disrupter, he had to have been accurate (within 20k).
He tried to target and it would highlight yellow for a second or two and then go off. He wasn't being jammed naturally, so does this mean she was using enough dampeners to be out of range for him?
He has around 80k range I believe, so this would mean that she had to have multiple dampeners on?
Anyone have any insight as to what might have occured?
the thron would need 3 damps to cut the ravens locking range to under 20k, so I'd assume the rats were damping or the raven had enougn rats locked to fill the pilots max targets.
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DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: DrakeStone on 18/08/2006 13:50:23
It was Angel territory?
So do you think it was infact dampeners that would have caused the symptom I described - basically him being out of range to lock?
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Sunetra
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:50:00 -
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3 T2 Sensor dampners will give a ship the locking distance and speed of a tiny child with a catapult.
3 Remote Sensor II will reduce a Raven to 15K locking range base.
Sunetra
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:53:00 -
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Let's see in my celestis i can get apocs under 18 km targetting range with 2 dampeners.. seeing as how I don't have the signal <name here> skill which boost 5% dampeners but I do have a celstis at lvl 4 cruiser and the apoc had 86km range I would say on a well trained char (lvl 4 dampener specific skill) 2 (best named or one below) dampeners are enough to get the range down to less than 20km on that raven..
:) people are learning :)
anyways yeah quite easy to do, ofcourse also easy to counter with a useful mod ...
- All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me - Pure drone user... give us a mini carrier and faction Typhoon and Dominix please |
DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:56:00 -
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Seems like to have that type of setup would require a very small window of effectiveness.
The person needs to be within 20k range, but out of targetting range. However, I guess the dampeners also delay lock TIME and not just range, so that would buy them 30-45 seconds even BS on BS if the target did lock.
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migwar
Karnival of Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:00:00 -
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Do ecm drones give you the notification bar of being jammed?
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Vathar
Elegance
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:11:00 -
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dunno how drones and regular dampeners stack together, but I don't think you get indicator bars when you're affected by EW drones _
Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:15:00 -
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If the mega had 3 damps there wouldnt be enough mids for scrambler, unless he used RSD drones OR a 20k + rails.
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DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming If the mega had 3 damps there wouldnt be enough mids for scrambler, unless he used RSD drones OR a 20k + rails.
What are you implying with the 20k + rails comment? I'm not familiar with the Mega and how your weapon choice affects mid slot usage.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Keitaro Baka on 18/08/2006 14:37:26 he could ofcourse also be using 2 dampeners and a <edit>faction</edit> warp disruptor .. then the 20km is kinda moot... but yes dampeners also increase locking time ... as for the notice people get from being scrambled by drones.. no clue.. maybe i'll check with a corp m8 later
- All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me - Pure drone user... give us a mini carrier and faction Typhoon and Dominix please |
DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: DrakeStone on 18/08/2006 14:42:32
Originally by: Kunming If the mega had 3 damps there wouldnt be enough mids for scrambler, unless he used RSD drones OR a 20k + rails.
Don't Megas have 4 mids? Looks like he could have fit 3 Damps + a scram
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: DrakeStone Edited by: DrakeStone on 18/08/2006 14:42:32
Originally by: Kunming If the mega had 3 damps there wouldnt be enough mids for scrambler, unless he used RSD drones OR a 20k + rails.
Don't Megas have 4 mids? Looks like he could have fit 3 Damps + a scram
No you missed my point folks, if he has blasters MWD is mandatory, 3 damps leaves no mids free. If he had rails fitted, MWD is not really mandatory and he could have fitted 3 damps and a 20km scrambler.
Though the use of RSD drones can lead to other setups like MWD, web, scram and a damp which would be enough to neutralize target lock range, even with a SB II is fitted on target.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:23:00 -
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2 Dampeners should be enough to bring the Raven's lock range to just about 27km assuming: a) Perfect skills on Megathron b) T2 or better Sensor dampeners c) No lock range increasing modules and no gang members for the Raven. d) 3 Dampeners T2 would reduce lock range to about 22km
Note: If the Raven had 80km range, or level 1 long range targeting, then the Megathron should have been able to reduce lock range to about 19km. A Raven with Long Range Targeting V has a base lock range of somewhere just over to 93km
Note: You get a 'Miscellaneous' electronic warfare bar when sensor dampened (in the same place as ECM EWar bar would appear)
The Megathron can hit, reliably, at that distance using Ions or Neutrons with Null L loaded.
If you want my "expert" opinion your mate was jammed. Jamming behaves exactly like being outside targeting range.
Alternative a) is far more likely. The information given, and the circumstances, clearly point at ECM. Regardless, ask your friend to check his logs for something like "You failed to target 'Pwnz0r shipz0r' because it is 19.345km away and your maximum targeting range is 18.754km" - if he got dampened, this message will be there even if he didn't see it during the fight. One such message for each targeting attempt, even. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |
Kaffeine
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:27:00 -
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I had a Raven jump me once, which I was not able to target AT ALL for the duration of the battle. He was ramming me too, so it couldn't have been damps, and I wasn't jammed.
Eve bugs ftl. :(
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Ozzie Asrail
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:37:00 -
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hmm it wasn't something like this probelm i had was it??
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=380036
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:44:00 -
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So, from Kaemonn, delete MachoNet folder inside the Cache folder. Should delete that folder regulary - it's sort of spooky. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |
Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:36:00 -
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out-of-sync bugs
....imo must be one of the most weird and frustrating bugs that ever plaged EVE -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Celedris
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:47:00 -
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With Signal Supression V, two phased muons will drop a Raven to under 20km locking range. Assuming your friend didn't have sensor boosters.
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DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin 2 Dampeners should be enough to bring the Raven's lock range to just about 27km assuming: a) Perfect skills on Megathron b) T2 or better Sensor dampeners c) No lock range increasing modules and no gang members for the Raven. d) 3 Dampeners T2 would reduce lock range to about 22km
Note: If the Raven had 80km range, or level 1 long range targeting, then the Megathron should have been able to reduce lock range to about 19km. A Raven with Long Range Targeting V has a base lock range of somewhere just over to 93km
Note: You get a 'Miscellaneous' electronic warfare bar when sensor dampened (in the same place as ECM EWar bar would appear)
The Megathron can hit, reliably, at that distance using Ions or Neutrons with Null L loaded.
If you want my "expert" opinion your mate was jammed. Jamming behaves exactly like being outside targeting range.
Alternative a) is far more likely. The information given, and the circumstances, clearly point at ECM. Regardless, ask your friend to check his logs for something like "You failed to target 'Pwnz0r shipz0r' because it is 19.345km away and your maximum targeting range is 18.754km" - if he got dampened, this message will be there even if he didn't see it during the fight. One such message for each targeting attempt, even.
He has Long Range Targetting IV since he can use sensor booster II's (but didn't have them outfitted obviously).
So essentially, your deduction is that he would not have been able to be in scramble range EVEN with 3 TII sensor dampeners UNLESS he had a Faction Scrambler.
Again, my bud said 20k, so until I doublecheck his log, let's assume that true. Obviously, no one is going to run around with 4 dampeners in a Mega.
So... other than ECM drones, I don't know that I could explain it..
.. UNLESS it was the Dampeners Lock time penalty to my friend that kept him from locking before being killed. The guy has played around with his Scorpion and cannot imagine that he missed the standard Jamming message that is impossible to miss.
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DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Celedris With Signal Supression V, two phased muons will drop a Raven to under 20km locking range. Assuming your friend didn't have sensor boosters.
I was completely unaware of an actual skill boosting your dampening ability, so with that, disregard my previous message.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: DrakeStone .. UNLESS it was the Dampeners Lock time penalty to my friend that kept him from locking before being killed. The guy has played around with his Scorpion and cannot imagine that he missed the standard Jamming message that is impossible to miss.
...in which case he'd not have missed the standard misc EWar message, neither (dampeners go under the miscellaneous category) which is shown in exactly the same spot. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |
DrakeStone
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.18 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: DrakeStone .. UNLESS it was the Dampeners Lock time penalty to my friend that kept him from locking before being killed. The guy has played around with his Scorpion and cannot imagine that he missed the standard Jamming message that is impossible to miss.
...in which case he'd not have missed the standard misc EWar message, neither (dampeners go under the miscellaneous category) which is shown in exactly the same spot.
Except now that I think about it, he said that he kept trying to target and it would try and then stop, exactly like when someone is out-of-range or jammed.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.18 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Celedris With Signal Supression V, two phased muons will drop a Raven to under 20km locking range. Assuming your friend didn't have sensor boosters.
My calcs were crude. They assumed T2 dampeners with 50% range nerf (T2 dampeners with no skills nerf range by only 40%). Stacking nerf effect on modules were assumed to be working at 100%, 85% and 35% efficiency (this is where I'm probably not accurate). Now, examining more closely, I find that the range nerf on T2 dampeners with max skills is actually 61%. However, unless the second module stacking penalty is less than 15%, you still won't get a Raven below 20km (ends up at 20.2km with stacking penalty of 15%) Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |
Celedris
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.18 17:27:00 -
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Assuming its a 15% reduction on the second module-
Raven: 75 km base range x 1.25 = 93.75 km locking range
Damp #1: (48% base reduction x 1.25 = 60% reduction) = 93.75 x 0.4 = 37.5 km
Damp #2 (60% reduction x 0.85 = 51% reduction) = 37.5 x 0.49 = 18.37 km
I'm not 100% on the stacking penalty myself, but I know a celestis without any sensor suppresion skill will drop battleships to under 20km with 2 damps.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.08.18 17:49:00 -
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When protecting miners sensor damps are godly.
Also, celestus with damps pairs up well with a Thorax that has a MWD. No explanations will be given.
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