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Paranoid Loyd
2429
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:46:18 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Mining AFK is like sitting in the park not paying attention. in the park there are thugs... Precisely, there are thugs in the park, and I still don't pay attention. The expectation is that the police handle these matters and protect the public.
Confirming if you are sitting on a bench in the park and a thug approaches you, you should not run away, you should wait for the police to come.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
164
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:46:50 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Precisely, there are thugs in the park, and I still don't pay attention. The expectation is that the police handle these matters and protect the public.
ok so how much time will it take for the police to reach u if these guys try something? |
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
65
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:49:11 -
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Appearantly this thread needed another 130+ pages of squabbeling fishwives...
Good job folks
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
200
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:50:04 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Mining AFK is like sitting in the park not paying attention. in the park there are thugs... Precisely, there are thugs in the park, and I still don't pay attention. The expectation is that the police handle these matters and protect the public. Confirming if you are sitting on a bench in the park and a thug approaches you, you should not run away, you should wait for the police to come.
Confirming that the same thug who has stolen 795 wallets through armed robbery in the last week and been arrested each time for it is still there to come up to you because the punishment consists of a 15 main detention and no restitution of property. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
164
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:50:16 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:Appearantly this thread needed another 130+ pages of squabbeling fishwives... Good job folks
im just trying to teach the guy something. but he doesnt want to see it.
your right though this has gotten boring. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21245
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:50:32 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Precisely, there are thugs in the park, and I still don't pay attention. The expectation is that the police handle these matters and protect the public. ok so how much time will it take for the police to reach u if these guys try something? How close is the nearest doughnut shop?
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Skex Relbore
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
274
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:58:21 -
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Thanks OP I needed a laugh,
The game has been around 10+ years, that's 10+ years of ganking scamming and general villainy. so why exactly do you think that's suddenly going to kill off the game.
This game isn't for everyone, you either learn to deal with it's peculiarities or you quit playing and find some game that will be more pleasing to you.
Personally what I like most about this game is that the lack of mechanics that force trust mean that the trust that does exist is real not fabricated.
Think about this, where I live I can fly around and know with near certitude who will be trying to kill me (awoxers not withstanding) I can make a fairly firm assumption that someone who's blue isn't going to do anything to my stuff, For anyone who's not blue I can make a fairly firm assumption that they are going to be trying to do something to my stuff, so if I think I have the upper hand I have no compulsion with shooting first or running as may be required. If they do get the better of me well that just the way the RNG rolls. If someone blue messes with me I know that if nothing else they've made themselves pariah to the most powerful force in null sec whether that bothers them or not.
The point is that EVE is a game where your choices have consequences in the game , you made a poor choice and anyone who's played this game for any length of time could have told you would not turn out well for you. You suffered the expected consequences for that choice. Then to further the reward to the person who blew your stuff up, you came here and cried about it which is like icing on their cake.
You are left with three choices, leave and find another activity more suited to your tender sensibilities, take this as a lesson and learn from it and learn how to figure out who you can and can't trust and to make more beneficial choices in the future, or you can continue the way you are going, If you choose the last option be certain to come here and make regular reports about all the awful things that happen to you and why the problem is with the game rather than yourself.
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Paranoid Loyd
2431
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Posted - 2014.10.28 23:59:58 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Confirming that the same thug who has stolen 795 wallets through armed robbery in the last week and been arrested each time for it is still there to come up to you because the punishment consists of a 15 main detention and no restitution of property.
Fail, you can compare things to real life as long as you keep them separate from the game, this is still your problem Tears, you can't keep reality and fantasy separate. The rules are different.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
164
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:03:14 -
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hes basically saying he wants gankers removed from the game as the police would do irl to a repeat offender.
your right its just a game. he cannot seem to diffrentiate between fantasy and reality and has some trouble with metaphors... this is not intended as a personal attack but rather an observation. |
J'mee Leggs
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:04:55 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I'm still not as elite as.....wait for it.....RvB, lolz.
Ironically this is the only thing you've said in this thread that is true.
Veers Belvar wrote:Personally I think mining is too boring to be done non-afk, so i assume these guys are afk 95% of the time.
Assuming you are correct, surely then you can see how your claim to have spoken to enough of them to know how the majority of them feel about anything at all is...problematic. |
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:05:13 -
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I now sincerely think Veers is a troll, and one of the best trolls these forums have seen in a long time.
+1 Veers, for amazing trolling. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21252
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:07:48 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:hes basically saying he wants gankers removed from the game as the police would do irl to a repeat offender.
your right its just a game. he cannot seem to diffrentiate between fantasy and reality and has some trouble with metaphors... this is not intended as a personal attack but rather an observation. I wonder what his opinion of Grand Theft Auto multiplayer is?
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
165
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:10:25 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I wonder what his opinion of Grand Theft Auto multiplayer is?
hahaha |
Nevil Oscillator
43
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:24:18 -
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Keep them talking Veers, I'm nearly in range
Another devious suggestion
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
10375
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:27:42 -
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This just gets funnier.
And to think, all of it can be so easily avoided, by choosing not be a prey animal. Of course accepting the consequences of their choice is too much to ask.
But then they are pathological narcissists after all, pretty sure most carebears are.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.10.29 00:40:04 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Bastion Arzi wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Mining AFK is like sitting in the park not paying attention. in the park there are thugs... Precisely, there are thugs in the park, and I still don't pay attention. The expectation is that the police handle these matters and protect the public.
The police do handle it. When you get mugged, they investigate the crime after you get mugged. Just like concord. Your point?
Please troll better tiger. mmkay? |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
202
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:01:32 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:
The police do handle it. When you get mugged, they investigate the crime after you get mugged. Just like concord. Your point?
Please troll better tiger. mmkay?
"trolling."
The police investigate, they catch the mugger, they make him pay restitution (and damages!), and then put him away for a nice jail sentence, especially if he is a repeat offender.
In Eve - they show up, blow up the attacker, give him a 15 minute timeout, don't make him pay any restitution, and make no attempt to recover the stolen property. |
Bastion Arzi
Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi
167
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:03:52 -
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but u get the rights to kill him |
Paranoid Loyd
2435
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:04:03 -
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Fail, you can compare things to real life as long as you keep them separate from the game, this is still your problem Tears, you can't keep reality and fantasy separate. The rules are different.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
202
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:05:26 -
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J'mee Leggs wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I'm still not as elite as.....wait for it.....RvB, lolz. Ironically this is the only thing you've said in this thread that is true. Veers Belvar wrote:Personally I think mining is too boring to be done non-afk, so i assume these guys are afk 95% of the time. Assuming you are correct, surely then you can see how your claim to have spoken to enough of them to know how the majority of them feel about anything at all is...problematic.
The fact that miners are usually AFK is of course not a reason why they can't be spoken to. If there are 20 miners in a system, and each needs to return to keyboard every 20 minutes to press F1, then as long as you hang out for 20 minutes you speak to all of them, and if perfectly distributed you could do 1 a minute.
But please, don't believe me - go out and try for yourself. Go through highsec, belt to belt, and try talking to miners. Not insulting them, threatening them, calling them names, etc... Try to have an honest conversation with as many as will respond to you, and gauge their support for CODE, ganking, bumping, etc...
Do some support these things? Sure. But I fervently believe that you will find, as I did, that many of the miners are unhappy with the current game structure, and have very negative feelings towards the gankers. They don't like at it like Hide and Go Seek, they look at it like a sociopathic turkey shoot. It's a game to one side of the equation, but not much fun to the other side. |
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5798
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:09:50 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:
The police do handle it. When you get mugged, they investigate the crime after you get mugged. Just like concord. Your point?
Please troll better tiger. mmkay?
"trolling." The police investigate, they catch the mugger, they make him pay restitution (and damages!), and then put him away for a nice jail sentence, especially if he is a repeat offender. In Eve - they show up, blow up the attacker, give him a 15 minute timeout, don't make him pay any restitution, and make no attempt to recover the stolen property.
Concord were only ever intended as a limited deterrence. ie, if you commit a hostile act in high sec, you get blown up, unless you bribe concord (wardec) for the kills/fights. Your problem is, you don't see EVE for what it is meant to be, a player-driven PVP environment, and it is up to players to deal with their own restitution. You want your stuff back? Go get it yourself. That's what EVE is. If you don't like that, then EVE is not for you. That's the bottom line Veers. Concord = limited deterrence and punishment. In this player-driven game, if you're expecting anything more from Concord, or asking for it, then you're in the wrong game, because ultimately, CCP want Concord gone. How will you ever survive without them if you're relying on them to 'protect' you? You're entirely capable of making friends and protecting yourself. If you can't do that, it's your problem and again, you're playing the wrong game.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
10377
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:10:32 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: The police investigate, they catch the mugger, they make him pay restitution (and damages!), and then put him away for a nice jail sentence, especially if he is a repeat offender.
Unless you're a politician, or a rockstar, or other celebrity.
And being a capsuleer is an order of magnitude above all of those things put together.
Jail time is for people who aren't demigods.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21263
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:11:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The police investigate, they catch the mugger, they make him pay restitution (and damages!), and then put him away for a nice jail sentence, especially if he is a repeat offender.he appears in court and either gets off on a technicality, or gets a short /suspended sentence and a small fine, or community service and a small fine; any unclaimed stolen property is sold off at auction and goes into the pot for the works christmas party FTFY so that it a more accurate representation of most criminal justice systems.
Quote:In Eve - they show up, blow up the attacker, give him a 15 minute timeout, don't make him pay any restitution, and make no attempt to recover the stolen property. The difference is that the stolen property actually belongs to CCP, as stated in the EULA.
You as a player own diddly squat within the Eve universe, it is merely on loan from CCP, as long as it remains in the game CCP don't care how it changes hands.
Once again you're displaying that you can't differentiate between the real world and a fantasy one.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
10377
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:13:42 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: It's a game to one side of the equation, but not much fun to the other side.
Then they need to stop choosing to be a prey animal.
Stop mining, stop hauling, but above all else stop being afk. That's even worse, since it's being a dumb, blind, deaf prey animal. Yes, you might get eaten.
That's the choice you made.
If they aren't satisfied with the results of their choices, they might want to stop repeating the action that got them there.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Nevil Oscillator
43
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:25:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Do some support these things? Sure. But I fervently believe that you will find, as I did, that many of the miners are unhappy with the current game structure, and have very negative feelings towards the gankers. They don't look at it like Hide and Go Seek, they look at it like a sociopathic turkey shoot. It's a game to one side of the equation, but not much fun to the other side.
Really ? where does all this happen ? all I see is two rats appear and zoom in a 2000m/s and when they get there they struggle to kill a mining drone let alone destroy my ship.
Another devious suggestion
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
202
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:31:30 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Do some support these things? Sure. But I fervently believe that you will find, as I did, that many of the miners are unhappy with the current game structure, and have very negative feelings towards the gankers. They don't look at it like Hide and Go Seek, they look at it like a sociopathic turkey shoot. It's a game to one side of the equation, but not much fun to the other side.
Really ? where does all this happen ? all I see is two rats appear and zoom in a 2000m/s and when they get there they struggle to kill a mining drone let alone destroy my ship.
*scratches head* Did you think I was trying to say that miners find highsec belt rats to be too powerful? |
J'mee Leggs
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:33:50 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Go through highsec, belt to belt, and try talking to miners.
No thanks, I'd rather play the game. Maybe you should try it some time. |
Nevil Oscillator
43
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:37:31 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:[quote=Nevil Oscillator]
*scratches head* Did you think I was trying to say that miners find highsec belt rats to be too powerful?
No I just want to know what belts they prey on
Another devious suggestion
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21265
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Posted - 2014.10.29 01:38:42 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I fervently believe that you will find, as I did, that many of the miners are unhappy with the current game structure, and have very negative feelings towards the gankers. You yourself have admitted that you consider >90% of them to be afk. Have you miraculously found a way to communicate with afk miners, or are you talking out of your arse again?
Quote:They don't look at it like Hide and Go Seek, they look at it like a sociopathic turkey shoot. It's a game to one side of the equation, but not much fun to the other side. Maybe they should change the way they play the game to take into account the realities of Eve, simple things like fitting a tank, checking local for players with low sec status or criminal flags, or god forbid, actually being at the bloody keyboard.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
634
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Posted - 2014.10.29 03:24:51 -
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re: Polling highsec miners about ganking. "Excuse me mister Rabbit, could you spare a moment to share with me your feelings about Foxes?"
Of course the answers you get from those who are actually at the keys are predictable.
Of course the mice are in favor of belling the cat.
However, CCP is under no obligation to either put the bell on, or provide said bell. |
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