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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4391
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:45:28 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bot aspirancy is equally as much an affront against the sandbox. Moreso, I would argue, since they are the ones crying for nerfs all the time. But they aren't bot aspirant. Arguably, CODE being around is encouragement to multibox a procurer fleet semi-AFK over playing "properly".
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Really? Because they smartbombed a fleet of those just the other day. Got a whole bunch of them, although the freighter lived.
But then I wouldn't expect you would have known that, since you argue on rhetoric and not facts. So because they've done it at least once, that somehow invalidates the fact that the vast majority of their kills are not against bots?
Jenn aSide wrote:The ISBOXER guy isn't afk (and it doesn't matter if you don't like isboxer) so he isn't doing anything 'wrong' (from a CODE perspective). Bull. The ISBoxer miner is more AFK than any "normal" miner. You target the rocks, you hit F1, then you play something else. Periodically you drag cargo from your ship to the hauler (in about 3 mouse motions) and reset your lasers. The difference is you only do this on one machine and it replicates to all of the others, meaning that your effort per character is significantly reduced.
Seriously, you should try it. I have. I can clear out whole systems of all belts while playing other games by interacting with EVE only during cutscenes and load times.
Jenn aSide wrote:We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with my like or dislike of anyone. They run around the forums screeching about how they are saving the game from bot aspirants while their actions do exactly the opposite, and I point it out because it's incredibly amusing to watch all the code loving basement dwellers swarming to their defense. I love how you are now even defending ISBoxer mining of all things to try to defend CODE.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2999
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:46:24 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
You disagree with our stated views, therefore your judgement is clouded, therefore you are wrong.
Sounds like you and the highsec crowds response to the basic statistics I did showing that highsec reward was higher than nullsec reward.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8899
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:51:22 -
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It's got absolutely nothing to do with my like or dislike of anyone. [/quote]
erm.....
Quote: They run around the forums screeching about how they are saving the game from bot aspirants while their actions do exactly the opposite, and I point it out because it's incredibly amusing to watch all the code loving basement dwellers swarming to their defense. I love how you are now even defending ISBoxer mining of all things to try to defend CODE.
Holy Contradiction batman.
You prove my point. You don't like CODE, gankers and apparently ISBOXER using players. See, I don't care one way or another about those things so I can look at them rationally, but you, well, you're worrying about what some other players are SAYING (which is juvenile).
CCP says isboxer is ok, that means it's ok because it's CCP's game. I tried isboxer once and it was tedious as hell, so more power to them if they can run umpteen million clients using it.
You can get mad at me point out your flaw Kell if that makes you feel better, but the truth is you are your own worst enemy in these kinds of discussions.
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2484
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:53:12 -
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La Nariz wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
You disagree with our stated views, therefore your judgement is clouded, therefore you are wrong. Sounds like you and the highsec crowds response to the basic statistics I did showing that highsec reward was higher than nullsec reward. Don't know about the "hisec crowd," but I despise "you're wrong, stop posting" type responses with a passion. I may disagree with a viewpoint, but I usually try to bring up supporting evidence for my position.
In the case of the null/hisec reward debate, I believe my position was: "if nullsec is so sh*t, and hisec so great, why the f*ck are 30,000 people paying the null blocs billions upon billions a month for the privilege of living in null."
A far cry from Jen's "You disagree with us, you must dislike X, therefore you're judgement is clouded and you are wrong." |
Trey Kutoi
Nyarlthotep Holdings Ltd.
18
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:53:47 -
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Simply following parts of the code without buying a permit should be enough to avoid a casual gank.
Namely, Watch Dscan, Use the map tool/dotlan to figure out where the ganking activity is going on, and attend to all your activities.
Code acts on their own conveniences. if you make it extremely inconvenient (ie not walking into them, taking a different route, or taking more trips with less cargo, flying at a different time) they are less likely to get you. They might 'lulz' gank you a few times, but by doing so, gives you a datapoint of who and where to avoid when.
It might seem unavoidable but, ultimately everything can be traced back far enough to blame yourself, its just a matter of balancing that risk and subsequent blame. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8899
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:55:36 -
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Rowells wrote:Beers Veldspar wrote:Ganking is bullying and can lead to serious psychological damages.
As he already played a big part in getting some gankers banned for good, Veers is here to help you. Oh please, psychological damage? If you ship getting blown up causes any kind of damage (other than space-pride) your issues are much less about what anyone else does, but your own mental stability. Please don't go full tumblr and suggest not getting your way causes you pain.
Exactly. If something that happens in a game CAN cause you psychological damage, it really just means that you should not be playing that game (or any game). It's the gamer's responsibility to understand themselves before making a choice to play a game.
Unfortunately , most problems here in the "1st world" stem not from some kind of injustice or inequality, but from stupidity and lack of a sense of personal responsibility.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8902
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:59:46 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: Don't know about the "hisec crowd," but I despise "you're wrong, stop posting" type responses with a passion. I may disagree with a viewpoint, but I usually try to bring up supporting evidence for my position.
no one told him to stop posting. I'm simpyl point out his irrationality when the subject is "things or peopel he doesn't like". I'm not ccp, i can't tell someone to stop posting.
Quote: In the case of the null/hisec reward debate, I believe my position was: "if nullsec is so sh*t, and hisec so great, why the f*ck are 30,000 people paying the null blocs billions upon billions a month for the privilege of living in null."
Because they're stupid? Again (and it's already been explained to you), the fact that so much space is rented is the answer to the question. Prior to this renting wasn't as common. That you refuse to understand an answer is not the same thing as someone not providing evidence.
Quote: A far cry from Jen's "You disagree with us, you must dislike X, therefore you're judgement is clouded and you are wrong."
Right or wrong has nothign to do with who agrees with me, it has to do with right and wrong. One day you might just learn this.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4391
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:01:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Holy Contradiction batman.
You prove my point. You don't like CODE, gankers and apparently ISBOXER using players. See, I don't care one way or another about those things so I can look at them rationally, but you, well, you're worrying about what some other players are SAYING (which is juvenile). Uh, what contradiction? Read it again and tell me where I state that I dislike either of those things. You are projecting your assumptions on to me. That sounds remarkably like your failing, not mine. Being amused by dumb people getting riled up about pretend religions and believing that ISBoxer makes certain tasks too easy to replicate is not a dislike.
Jenn aSide wrote:CCP says isboxer is ok, that means it's ok because it's CCP's game. I tried isboxer once and it was tedious as hell, so more power to them if they can run umpteen million clients using it. I know... hence my ISBoxer subscription. I don't dislike ISBoxer, but that doesn't mean I don't see why it's also a problem, and it certainly doesn't mean I won't use it to greatly benefit.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10473
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:02:59 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:But they aren't bot aspirant.
What, because they said so? Here's a tip. If you die to a suicide ganker, you were probably a bot aspirant. And when I say "probably", I mean 99% or higher that you weren't paying enough attention to warp out when neg tens enter local.
As for the remainder, tiny as it may be, well. I don't have to justify PvP in a PvP game. If you are mining in the first place, get used to the idea of being shot at.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5415
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:04:06 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote: Because webby got ganked as well.
Ha, bullshit. You're just scrambling to justify your complaining now. No really it got ganked.
Perhaps tank your webbing ship?
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Revis Owen
61
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:04:49 -
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Ilithyia Borgia wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Would appreciate some advice on how to avoid this from happening. cheers . Step 1: Buy a permit Step 2: Follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct
Step 3: ? Step 4: PROFIT!!!
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:07:43 -
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Miromme Echerie wrote:Righto. So, now permits are badges of shame. I swear, some people.. Indeed it is.
Yea some people... code people...
Because:
Miromme Echerie wrote: Show me on the freighter doll where the catalyst shots wrecked it.
Bad luck, i do not follow the "CODE" and nothing happend. I despise you without being a victim of you. But somehow you do not want to understand that you are despised for what you do and HOW you do it and not because being harmed by you guys. You can check some posts of Lucas Kell on this thread for more details.
I *would* point (with a finger) at a place above your eyes, but i don't
Miromme Echerie wrote: It's not useless.
It *is* usesless. It is proven by a long discussion i linked and some screenshot i linked.
Miromme Echerie wrote: So it gets revoked.
For being AFK in station. Or the codie being in bad mood. Or because its raining. < insert other lame excuse here >
permits are useless and are a badge of shame since it shows that one submitted to a bunch of very unsmart people.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4392
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:07:58 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:But they aren't bot aspirant. What, because they said so? Here's a tip. If you die to a suicide ganker, you were probably a bot aspirant. And when I say "probably", I mean 99% or higher that you weren't paying enough attention to warp out when neg tens enter local. As for the remainder, tiny as it may be, well. I don't have to justify PvP in a PvP game. If you are mining in the first place, get used to the idea of being shot at. Do you know what the word "aspirant" actually means? I'll give you a clue, it doesn't mean "have one single element of your playstyle remotely in common with another". You could argue all miners are bot aspirant because they use mining barges, just like some bots. All traders are bot aspirant because the update orders, just like some bots. All players are bot aspirant because they log in, just like bots.
And no, you certainly don;t have to justify anything. It's completely understandable why they target who they do, it's simply not in line with what they claim is the problem with highsec, since their actions are more likely to make botters and "bot aspirants" more effective, not less, while punishing a player who is just playing the game.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5042
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:09:58 -
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Quote:'El-ahrairah, your people cannont rule the world, for I will not have it so. All the world will be your enemy, Prince With A Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first, they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.'
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2486
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:14:39 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: In the case of the null/hisec reward debate, I believe my position was: "if nullsec is so sh*t, and hisec so great, why the f*ck are 30,000 people paying the null blocs billions upon billions a month for the privilege of living in null."
.... the fact that so much space is rented is the answer to the question.... That only answers the question of why do renter alliances own so much space, not the question of why there are 30,000+ renters in the first place. And no, "they are stupid" is not a good way to support your position, anymore than saying "you are wrong." |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
234
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:16:29 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:But they aren't bot aspirant. What, because they said so? Here's a tip. If you die to a suicide ganker, you were probably a bot aspirant. And when I say "probably", I mean 99% or higher that you weren't paying enough attention to warp out when neg tens enter local. As for the remainder, tiny as it may be, well. I don't have to justify PvP in a PvP game. If you are mining in the first place, get used to the idea of being shot at. Do you know what the word "aspirant" actually means? I'll give you a clue, it doesn't mean "have one single element of your playstyle remotely in common with another". You could argue all miners are bot aspirant because they use mining barges, just like some bots. All traders are bot aspirant because the update orders, just like some bots. All players are bot aspirant because they log in, just like bots. And no, you certainly don;t have to justify anything. It's completely understandable why they target who they do, it's simply not in line with what they claim is the problem with highsec, since their actions are more likely to make botters and "bot aspirants" more effective, not less, while punishing a player who is just playing the game.
No worries Lucas. Their definition of "aspirant" is anyone who manages to enjoy the game through PvE activities in highsec. That's the absolute death knell for their vision of the game, where highsec is a miserable place to play, with high risk and minimal rewards, and everyone is forced into the big nullsec powerblocs. How this would help the game, no one is quite sure, but apparently that fact hasn't stopped these folks from lighting 450 billion ISK on fire in a failed attempt to make highsec inhospitable for PvE players. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:18:10 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I don't have to justify PvP in a PvP game.
Yea, you would like that.
Ganking and PvP would not be a problem. It is however a problem what and how codies are doing it and the discrepancy between the arguments that codies give why and what they are doing it and why and what they are really doing.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10474
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:18:35 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Do you know what the word "aspirant" actually means? I'll give you a clue, it doesn't mean "have one single element of your playstyle remotely in common with another". You could argue all miners are bot aspirant because they use mining barges, just like some bots. All traders are bot aspirant because the update orders, just like some bots. All players are bot aspirant because they log in, just like bots.
Except that I am not saying any of those things.
But if you got ganked while mining, you were not actively at your keyboard. That is bot aspirancy.
Quote:since their actions are more likely to make botters and "bot aspirants" more effective, not less, while punishing a player who is just playing the game.
No, said player was not playing the game. If he was playing the game, he would not have been ganked.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10474
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:19:29 -
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La Rynx wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I don't have to justify PvP in a PvP game. Yea, you would like that. Ganking and PvP would not be a problem. It is however a problem what and how codies are doing it and the discrepancy between the arguments that codies give why and what they are doing it and why and what they are really doing.
No.
PvP in a PvP game is never a problem. No exceptions.
If you think otherwise, Star Trek Online is waiting for you.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
234
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:21:47 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
No.
PvP in a PvP game is never a problem. No exceptions.
If you think otherwise, Star Trek Online is waiting for you.
Except in rookie systems. Or when bumping Titans outside of POS shields. Or when managing to evade CONCORD. Or when utilizing changing prices to exploit bounties. Or utilizing any other manners of exploits or disallowed PvP. |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2884
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:23:33 -
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Well, to be fair sometimes it's just your turn to get ganked and there's nothing you can do about it :) But in general being paranoid and awake at keyboard prevents 99% of attempts on integrity of one's rock drilling pixels :)
You have no idea how my paranoia jumped up everytime miners warped AWAY from my belt. Why did they do it? Did they just scouted me? Do they know something I don't? Did they just reported me on ganking intel channels and clean up crew is already en route? Why is that venture getting so close?
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10474
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:25:30 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
No.
PvP in a PvP game is never a problem. No exceptions.
If you think otherwise, Star Trek Online is waiting for you.
Except in rookie systems. Or when bumping Titans outside of POS shields. Or when managing to evade CONCORD. Or when utilizing changing prices to exploit bounties. Or utilizing any other manners of exploits or disallowed PvP.
Those aren't PvP, those are exploits.
This is the problem of course, because to risk averse shitheel like you, PvP itself is an exploit, and you want it removed.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1237
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:27:37 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:How this would help the game, no one is quite sure, but apparently that fact hasn't stopped these folks from lighting 450 billion ISK on fire in a failed attempt to make highsec inhospitable for PvE players. Eh, they're not trying to make high-sec inhospitable, they're just playing the game and providing some daytime soap-opera-level entertainment through the likes of you.
CCP has no sense of humour.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
5586
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:39:48 -
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CODE Agent AC wrote:A permit. Nonsense.
Recon makes them stronger
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
234
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:41:57 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
No.
PvP in a PvP game is never a problem. No exceptions.
If you think otherwise, Star Trek Online is waiting for you.
Except in rookie systems. Or when bumping Titans outside of POS shields. Or when managing to evade CONCORD. Or when utilizing changing prices to exploit bounties. Or utilizing any other manners of exploits or disallowed PvP. Those aren't PvP, those are exploits. This is the problem of course, because to risk averse shitheel like you, PvP itself is an exploit, and you want it removed.
Oh Kaarous....always so angry. Gotta learn to relax. Any player driven activity competitive with others is "PvP," whether exploit or not (and since when is shooting rookies in a rookie system an exploit??? There is a real doozie). The fact is that PvP is sometimes allowed and sometimes not allowed. Trivial. |
Helia Tranquilis
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:42:32 -
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Intel is your best friend.
1. Go to killboard and find concord kills. Start going through that list until you have a redlist of 20 pages including individuals in NPC corps and corporations known to be criminal of nature.
2. Spend time on systems that you travel through. Go sit in hub pipes and observe, note the timezones. Tag every cargo scanner and bumping machariel with orange. Now you have a list that enables you to anticipate problems several jumps before hand.
3. Never not use a ridiculous tank. Blocade runner with absolute max ehp and always carry less than 100M worth of candy.
4. Use your brain. Iteron 5 with sebo's running will likely mean a tornado on the other side of the gate. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
234
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:43:32 -
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Some Rando wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:How this would help the game, no one is quite sure, but apparently that fact hasn't stopped these folks from lighting 450 billion ISK on fire in a failed attempt to make highsec inhospitable for PvE players. Eh, they're not trying to make high-sec inhospitable, they're just playing the game and providing some daytime soap-opera-level entertainment through the likes of you.
No, this really isn't true. Their goal is to fundamentally alter the risk/reward ratio in highsec to make it less attractive than nullsec, and get players to to move to nullsec. Read their website, talk to them, that has always been their overarching objective. Now in doing so, they are hurting the new/casual players and help the botters/boxers, and thus undermining their own desires...but no one accused them of being overly competent. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4395
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:53:22 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:But if you got ganked while mining, you were not actively at your keyboard. That is bot aspirancy.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:No, said player was not playing the game. If he was playing the game, he would not have been ganked. Except that's not the case. During the ice interdiction, we ganked plenty of miners who were not bot aspirant. We know this because as we arrived they scrambled to get away, then yelled in local when they inevitably failed. In the few times when we knew somebody was expecting us, we had a venture bump them.
Being ganked is not proof in itself of being AFK, and to suggest it is, that's lunacy.
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Awesome MILF
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:59:07 -
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Easy, use T2 industrials for example a Mastodon.
Additionally fill them with Warp Core Stabilizers, its such an awesome experience to escape from a suicide ganker while his ship is concorded :')
Avoid freighters as they can't fit warp core stabilizers, and never move more than 500m ISK worth. Also be careful when moving lots of crappy blueprints, they may worth 10m isk total, but the ganker might think its worth much more. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10474
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:00:17 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:But if you got ganked while mining, you were not actively at your keyboard. That is bot aspirancy. Kaarous Aldurald wrote:No, said player was not playing the game. If he was playing the game, he would not have been ganked. Except that's not the case. During the ice interdiction, we ganked plenty of miners who were not bot aspirant. We know this because as we arrived they scrambled to get away, then yelled in local when they inevitably failed. In the few times when we knew somebody was expecting us, we had a venture bump them. Being ganked is not proof in itself of being AFK, and to suggest it is, that's lunacy.
If they aren't gone within ten second of a bunch of neg tens jumping into local, then yeah, they were either afk or sufficiently not paying attention enough to cause the same effect.
That's bot aspirancy, that is not actively playing the game.
Them yelling at you afterward does not mean they were at their keyboard, it means they noticed the loss eventually.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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