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Sang ManLee
Caldari Sang ManLee Construction
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Posted - 2006.08.25 01:03:00 -
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Well, as you can see, this is a corp of mine that i am starting to start building capital ships.
To start we are going to build Thanatos carriers. Once we have become asstablished we will get bpo's for other carriers/dreads/freighters.
I am creating 30000 shares right now (vote started 15m ago), 10000 of which will remain in the corp.
Shares will sell for 1m each and you can buy as many or as few as you want.
This will create 20b for the corporation.
This will be used for
Carrier BPO -> 1125m
Capital Construction Parts BPO 904.9m Capital Corporate Hanger Bay BPO 1503.7m Capital Drone Bay BPO -> 785m Capital Jump Drive BPO -> 1497.5m Capital Sensor Clustor BPO->1082.4m Capital Ship maintenance Bay BPO -> 1527.6m Capital Computer System BPO ->1105.5m Capital Sheild Emitter BPO ->1176m Capital Power Generator BPO -> 1224.0m Capital Propulsion Engine BPO -> 1128.5m Capital Armor Plates BPO ->1291m Capital Capacitor Battey BPO ->1146m
Total 15b 047m
With 4b aprox for minerals to get started with the production and 1b for a Fenrir (minmatar Freighter) to help with production.
As well i will post with my main (Drakus) to so that i can give some reasurrance that this is not a scam. As well, ALL BPO's will be put into Lockdown for the corp so that they cannot be stolen.
Dividends will be given out on the 1st of every month, Starting on October 1st.
Benifits of buying with us will include 1) Delievery to any empire system 2) Will only need to put down payment on ship when your ship is going to be produced (as opposed to havein to put down a down payment when you order) 3) Know that that i have put my over 3yr old chars reputation on the line for this as well. 4) If company fails all goods will be sold and liquidated for all the stock holders. 5) By owning all component BPO's will allow us to make BPC's or sell extra components for additional profit.
Drawbacks 1) After EIB scam you may be worried this is one too. Thats why i am putting my Normal mains reputaion on the line 2) You lose you money if it IS a scam. Well, there is no way to 100% guarantee this is not one other then by me giving my word. But with all bpo's in lockdown, i will not be able to remove them without a majority vote by the shareholders.
I have wanted to get into this stuff for awhile, but have not had the money myself to do it. I don't get to play a hell of a lot anymore, so figured this would be a good way to make myself some money and help others as well.
I wanted to get into mothership production, but once i thought about it enough i realised that it was just to risky an idea.
Main reasons I am going to start with thanatos Carriers is because my main can fly them (training for minmatar and caldari ones next), so would allow me to deliever. As well the other Alt that will be in corp can fly minmatar freighters, allowing me to make large buy orders out of system and be able to bring them to production HQ
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Drakus
Minmatar PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.25 01:05:00 -
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Just to post that this IS my alt, and that I do know about this.
:)
I have returned.
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Drakus
Minmatar PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.25 01:07:00 -
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also, please send all money for shares to Sang Manlee.
I will send shares once i have confirmed Payment.
Also, i work alot right now, so if it takes me aday to get you your shares don't worry. I will try and make sure i get shares out every night when i get home from work.
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Treelox
Amarr Storm Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.25 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 25/08/2006 03:19:52 Edited by: Treelox on 25/08/2006 03:19:31 what assets is the corp using to establish value in the 10k shares that will remain in the corps control, if any?
also, do you plan to do any research on the bpo's, or go straight to production?
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Gully Smit
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Posted - 2006.08.25 03:19:00 -
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good luck.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.25 03:51:00 -
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Are you going to take into account the fact that Carrier production is relatively unprofitable at the moment? Freighters are probably better.
Moreso, lets say you build one every 11 days (is that what it is? I'm not sure of the build time for carriers) and each one makes 150m profit. That means 450m profit a month: about 1.5% per share. Not very impressive, IMO, for the investment.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.25 06:16:00 -
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Carriers have pathetically low margins. The real profits from carriers come from selling modules and fighters. Good luck though.
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Lord Vager
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:10:00 -
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There seems to be quite a few of these capital ship ipo's popping up lately. I seriously doubt that those that are proposing them have done any background research on the capital ship market. It's already been pointed out that carrier and dread markets are really bad investments these days due to the sheer number of producers.
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Cherybol
Trader's Academy Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.25 18:07:00 -
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If you can show me what a month or two of production might look like. Such as costs of minerals. Time to produce a ship, and what it will be listed at. And how many your producing a month or so. So then we can see what the profit margins will be. If they look good enough. I just might invest. But if what dark shikari says is true. At 1.5% profit margins. Then I can make that much in a day. So it wouldn't seem worth it to risk my isk for such a small turn out.
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Sang ManLee
Caldari Sang ManLee Construction
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Posted - 2006.08.25 22:45:00 -
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Yes, it would take 11 days to build the carrier. But it only takes about... 3 or 4 to actually build all the components for one (less then that for each individual, but about that for all of them in total). Leaving about a weeks of production that can be used to A) be sold b) time could be used to make bpc's ( 5run sells for between 10-15m) c) Kept for stock to allow us to not need to buy minerals for the following production period.
The additional shares will be kept as recruitment tools. Allowing newer players to mine a certain amout for a share (or mine for points to get a share, depending on what the amout of minerals/ore is decided per share) Would allow us to get players with mining ability into corp for lower costs.
And once we are up and running more bpo's will be bought (That would be put up to a corp vote as to what we buy, either another carrier, freighter, dread, mothership, or even fighter bpo's to work twords creating packages for buyers.)
And yes, i know alot of people are going into carrier/dread production. But not everyone is offering everyone in on the shares/money that they are making. As well, we will start with the Thanatos witch i believe is one of the more popular carriers around right now.
So there. I have put some research into the idea :)
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Cherybol
Trader's Academy Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.26 04:39:00 -
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No doubt that you've put thought into it. But its a matter if you can crank out decent profit. To the point that investors would be interested. I mean, no one wants to invest for a 1% return. Maybe your shares will sell good on EGSEx. I usually don't stick around for dividens. I just sell the shares for profit. But if your getting 1% dividens, no one will pick up your shares.
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Sang ManLee
Caldari Sang ManLee Construction
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Posted - 2006.08.27 13:07:00 -
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Just posting to say that i havn't had time to figure out just what kind of profit i'd be looking at due to working all the time. My first day off in a week is tommorow, so i'll get a profit forcast done up then.
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Sang ManLee
Caldari Sang ManLee Construction
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Posted - 2006.08.28 01:06:00 -
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Based on Dark Shakari's post (and the others along the same line), I feel i should just clarify some things.
Yes, I have looked into capital ship production.
Maybe i havn't done enough reasearch though. By that i mean i have not done an actual cost/reward analysis (not sure how to spell that, lol).
My original idea was to make a corp to build motherships for 0.0 alliance.
The idea was to have 2 corps to build them. One to actually do the building, one to do the selling (preventing buyers from telling anyone who acutally built there mothership.) The reason I am not doing this is because i forgot to take into consideration that you need to have soverenty in the system you are building in, in order to have the modual to build the mothership.
So i have moved more twords capital ships. I wanted to start with the thantos so that i could get myself one at cost. Yes. You heard it here, i'm admitting that I am doing this mainly for my own benifit. Shocking.
But I do think this would be a good investment.
3 ships per month at 150m per month profit. thats 450m profit per month. Then factor in that the construction components sell for aprox 5-10m per or 10m for the BPC. Having 3 char's creating BPC's would allow me to to creat 3 5run BPC's per week (another 30m per week, 120m a month)
so thats 570m per month in profit.
Now, I've taken some flak about how we would be giving low divedend payments.
Now its not exactly easy to get into production of things like this. Its not like people go around advertising just how much money they make off the stuff they sell.
So yes, i didn't know how much we would make off each ship. I did think it was more then 150m though.
So if there is really no one that trusts me enough to invest I think i'll look into Freighters instead.
So going to close this for the time being (until i can find someone willing to tell me what tehy make of freighters.)
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2006.08.28 05:39:00 -
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Sang, I think even with freighters you may be a little hard pressed. If I were you, I would start small and work my way up. The fact that you don't have any credibility and your goals are changing daily looks very poor in investors eyes.
People would prefer to invest with someone who knows what they want to do, who knows how much it will cost them, and who has a rough idea on how much money they can make off their investments.
I am not in-game to see your character age, however I can't imagine it is very old. I would suggest you start with a 500m ipo, and use that 500m to buy up cruiser bpo's. you should get about 10-13 bpo's out of this. Then come to me and I can research them all for you, and you can run bpc's 24/7 through our labs.
With the bpo's in my corp's hands, it would mean investors may be more willing to part with their isk as they have an extra level of security on their investment. I basically pass you/your alt etc all the bpc's as they complete in the labs, and you sell them on.
A 500m IPO is relatively low, but assuming each cruiser bpc sells for around 500k, and you can spit out approximately 40 a week (not in-game so cant verify), your income is 20m a week, or 80m a month assuming full sales.
Drop approximately 30m a month in lab fee's, and you basically have an IPO that is generating 10% dividends. The numbers would need a lot more work, but this is just an idea on downgrading your IPO size and allowing people to slowly get to know you and watch dividend payments etc.
Maybe in a few months you may decide to launch a second phase generating more capital, and work from there, but at least your credibility would be more than it is now. Using my above plan, investor losses are at a minimum as even if you run with the bpc's, I have full holding of the bpo's so investors are guarranteed to get their isk back.
Just an idea that needs a lot of work. Cheers
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