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Mr De Right
Privileged to be Afraid
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:21:20 -
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I feel like when people find this system, they would just camp it to hell and leave cloaky scouts in it 24/7. That's why I propose this idea that I feel would make the wh seem a bit more special.
After an X amount of time of your ship being inside the wormhole, (24 hours maybe?) your pod/ship/whatever will automatically exit the wormhole in some way shape or fashion. Concord would warp to them (Cloaky or not) and proceed to destroy their ship they do some magic and transport your pod outside of the WH? Or maybe after an X amount of time they start experiencing side effects to their ship. This is just an idea, but I feel like after a while this wormhole would become normal and not that special anymore. If there was the factor that you could only be in that system for an X amount of time before something happens it would make the wormhole a bit more exciting.
Also lore wise, maybe this is EARTH? Thera=Earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
827
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:47:14 -
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Mr De Right wrote:I feel like when people find this system, they would just camp it to hell and leave cloaky scouts in it 24/7. That's why I propose this idea that I feel would make the wh seem a bit more special.
After an X amount of time of your ship being inside the wormhole, (24 hours maybe?) your pod/ship/whatever will automatically exit the wormhole in some way shape or fashion. Concord would warp to them (Cloaky or not) and proceed to destroy their ship they do some magic and transport your pod outside of the WH? Or maybe after an X amount of time they start experiencing side effects to their ship. This is just an idea, but I feel like after a while this wormhole would become normal and not that special anymore. If there was the factor that you could only be in that system for an X amount of time before something happens it would make the wormhole a bit more exciting.
Also lore wise, maybe this is EARTH? Thera=Earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Assuming there will be 6+ wormholes, camping this will be pretty difficult. There is no local to know you are there, and no way to keep a count on whose watching you. Camps work in kspace because their is a known route for people to travel for getting from a to b. Wormhole don't normally setup gate camps in wspace because the route is variable, prone to being scouted, and unproductive.
It's rare to see a gatecamp in wormholes space whose sole purpose is to camp the gate (it's usually done for hole control during an eviction, or to gank a ship. Perma camps without blops backup, and with the possible distance from backup.. Honestly I don't know.
There are potential issues with deployable bubbles never dying and filling up dscan. Boosters being everywhere boosting a giant system, market traders spamming local destroying the "immersion" of wormhole space. Tidi from fleets of a hundred all undocking at once, endless combat probes being deployed everywhere to cover everything just to "grief" (wormhole space version of an afk camper, or in this case, group camper). There are the station games, jump cloning, Etc.
There are some questionable potential issues with the space that won't be known or delved into until it's on sisi.
Yaay!!!!
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
154
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:58:39 -
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If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
827
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:10:50 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes.
Largest systems 142 au radius, or 284 diameter. This system will be larger than 142 au. 200 to 300 is possible, maybe more.
So warping your gang from a station to target may take you a few minutes.
Yaay!!!!
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Winthorp
2858
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:15:18 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes. Largest systems 142 au radius, or 284 diameter. This system will be larger than 142 au. 200 to 300 is possible, maybe more. So warping your gang from a station to target may take you a few minutes.
I thought i heard 1000au? |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1336
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Posted - 2014.11.07 21:13:08 -
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Winthorp wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes. Largest systems 142 au radius, or 284 diameter. This system will be larger than 142 au. 200 to 300 is possible, maybe more. So warping your gang from a station to target may take you a few minutes. I thought i heard 1000au?
I saw that mentioned, but i think that was an "internet" number plucked out of someones wormhole at random.
As Fozzie referred to the fifth space, could we be talking hundreds of systems wide? Who knows, well Fozzie does and he is keeping it secret
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Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
45
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:12:37 -
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Winthorp wrote:[quote=Necharo Rackham] Also if it does become a system full of conflict then obviously the basic war items would be in demand locally and not just from the random spawn in WHs.
Sure - but becoming another third rate trade hub doesn't actually bring it much activity (think Stacmon or Oursulaert) |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3921
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:40:19 -
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Athanor Ruthoern wrote:I really hope Thera has 2 suns it would be cool. they did mention it has a unique sun so that's a possibility.
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Rahmiro
Discrete Astrographic Reconnaissance Technologies
67
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:30:07 -
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Athanor Ruthoern wrote:I really hope Thera has 2 suns it would be cool.
Two suns, son!
I call my man "son" cause he shines like one!
I never seen these people in my life.
I don't recognize them Your Honor
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Agatir Solenth
Servants of the Throne Worlds
30
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Posted - 2014.11.08 02:50:42 -
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Why do I see this "large" system having locations that gates will be anchored/built and then jump to adjacent space, which will happen to be large spaces that gates will be built and connect to more spaces... |
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
1855
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Posted - 2014.11.08 05:32:35 -
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I'm going to AFK cloak the hell out of this system!!!
Actually, I reckon this is a fob off to HK, because it's basically tailor made (except for the no caps bit) for their M.O. of living in a wormhole and terrorising bears in capitals in nullsec 23.75/7. It is basically a wormhole made for that playstyle, except you don't have to pay to fuel the station and no one can nick all your stuff.
Therefore, if and when we connect to Thera, we will just sit in our POS's in our wormhole in amusingly named ships, and POS spin until the yawnfest goes away.
I do like the idea of RVB moving in. Why not? This beats that naff - absolutely naff - idea of a thunderdome deployable. Like, serioussly, when I read that part of the CSM Minutes I had a mega catatonic eyeroll so epic it flung me from my seat. This is a more elegant solution.
The only problem with RVB moving in is they might have to fight other people, who they won't know are there. And who might bring something better than an Atron.
As for the Q.Q over the stations being camped? Lel. Did anyone camp BRAVE in Sendaya or wherever they have washed up now? Yeah? Good. Go to Thera. It'll be like that, except with Bhaalgorns and stupid.
J's before K's.
Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew.
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Utari Onzo
United System's Commonwealth
9
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Posted - 2014.11.08 09:27:50 -
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"Yo dawg! I heard you like EvE! So I put every kind of system in EvE, into a system in EvE, so you can station spin, while you POS spin!" |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3922
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Posted - 2014.11.08 09:33:35 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:"Yo dawg! I heard you like EvE! So I put every kind of system in EvE, into a system in EvE, so you can station spin, while you POS spin!" actually you cant pos spin there
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Utari Onzo
United System's Commonwealth
9
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Posted - 2014.11.08 10:04:14 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:"Yo dawg! I heard you like EvE! So I put every kind of system in EvE, into a system in EvE, so you can station spin, while you POS spin!" actually you cant pos spin there
That hurt more when I read it then the fact it doesn't have w-space statics. What will I do without my POS spins? |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
220
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Posted - 2014.11.08 10:31:35 -
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Unless this is a prototype for future null sec, ie large systems, no local, I really fail to see the point.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2639
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Posted - 2014.11.08 19:46:30 -
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Vice Admiral
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Interstellar Services Department
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StarFleetCommander
V0LTA Triumvirate.
290
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:29:05 -
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Just wanted to post about the length of the system
The current longest warp you can make in the game is:
9-266Q, from the H-PA29 gate to the BV-1JG gate. 283.34 AU.
So you can possibly expect this system to be twice as long, he said it will be by faaaaaaaar the longest system in eve, so maybe we are looking at 400-500au |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1391
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Posted - 2014.11.10 09:13:10 -
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StarFleetCommander wrote:Just wanted to post about the length of the system
The current longest warp you can make in the game is:
9-266Q, from the H-PA29 gate to the BV-1JG gate. 283.34 AU.
So you can possibly expect this system to be twice as long, he said it will be by faaaaaaaar the longest system in eve, so maybe we are looking at 400-500au
I didn't know that, thanks for the information!
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Yuka Mayaki
Gambrini
0
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Posted - 2014.11.10 15:19:25 -
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I actually don't get the point for this new system:
- As a TradeHub: Pretty useless because of risk - As a brawl Arena: well maybe, but there is nothing to win and no tears to shed - Interconnection for 0.0 wars: Nope, no Caps allowed
The only reason to make a system like this, would be that you can get a resource there that you can't get anywhere else. But then this won't be WH space anymore, since the Goons or whatever Nullbear just moves in with 20000ppl to dominate the resource.
So CCP: Why should i go there??? |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
737
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:16:04 -
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Yuka Mayaki wrote:I actually don't get the point for this new system:
- As a TradeHub: Pretty useless because of risk - As a brawl Arena: well maybe, but there is nothing to win and no tears to shed - Interconnection for 0.0 wars: Nope, no Caps allowed
The only reason to make a system like this, would be that you can get a resource there that you can't get anywhere else. But then this won't be WH space anymore, since the Goons or whatever Nullbear just moves in with 20000ppl to dominate the resource.
So CCP: Why should i go there???
A system with a station that is one jump out of 5+ systems all over the map at any goven time does not strike you as a decent marketplace? What risk, it's a station, fyi it's really hard to keep one covered in bubbles completely, else warp-dock.
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) and hopefully i can sustain myself further from pvp-loot (read: dead noctis), also: Besides me with that mindset, there are atleast dozens of other solo/smallscale guys to come, and surely a similar number of corps or social groups with a different mindset.
So I got no idea why you should go there, but I will try that newest **** in the hood and countless other guys are interested already. For us, there is a NPC station (**** fuel), presumably acceptable jobcosts, wormhole mechanics and no local. If you've been in w-space for a time, there's some brilliant compromises presented.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Yuka Mayaki
Gambrini
0
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Posted - 2014.11.10 17:54:26 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) ...
I remember you guys trying to evict us like one year back. It was one of the most pleasant and enjoyable weekends we had.
So i got my reason: If you'll be around, we'll be too |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
109
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:22:49 -
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Yuka Mayaki wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) ...
I remember you guys trying to evict us like one year back. It was one of the most pleasant and enjoyable weekends we had. So i got my reason: If you'll be around, we'll be too I know we've seiged plenty of towers but I dont think weve ever intended an eviction :p.
Ill have a clone, jumpclone, and some ships there of course. I dont think ill live there. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
737
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Posted - 2014.11.10 20:51:48 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:Yuka Mayaki wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) ...
I remember you guys trying to evict us like one year back. It was one of the most pleasant and enjoyable weekends we had. So i got my reason: If you'll be around, we'll be too I know we've seiged plenty of towers but I dont think weve ever intended an eviction :p. Ill have a clone, jumpclone, and some ships there of course. I dont think ill live there.
I think it was that 30strong ishtar gang that was shooting a POS and we yolo'd a 15strong T3 gang in. 3 Guardians proven insufficient.
It also wasn't an eviction, you guys were lockable, that's all. If I don't mix that up, we went many holes.
Also, thanks - we share a timezone I believe
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:38:07 -
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Lets just call it New Rancer and make it simple |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1358
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Posted - 2014.11.12 00:05:05 -
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I very much doubt that they will make the main trade hub of There like Jita 4/4 with no local. And all the same mechanics
Whilst amusing for the first few hours, it would absolutely result in the failiure of their project, they have far more sense than this.
A few potential issues have been identified, and work arounds suggested.
Local spam, permanent hell camps making the development as a trade hub unlikely, remote boosts running for the whole width of an enormous system, have been clearly pointed out.
I mentioned this earlier ,
Personally I would imagine it like a port in the carribean in the haydays of the piracy there, ships were hunted, killed and looted all the time, but the few occasions, where it was attempted in sight of the main trade ports, a hail of cannonballs resulted in the destruction of the ships involved, and the swift execution of the offending crews. Others with more intelligence and survival instinct realised that doing so was not the best of ideas.
This allowed trade to florish, even if many ships and crews died in the waters out of sight of the ports.
This seems a practical and proven way to deal with this issue.
The local spam issue deserves the same punishment, an open airlock is also acceptable.
When looking for solutions to "problems" imagine what the station would do to those who pissed them off.
Great lore would be to allow it to be a deathzone for a week or so then announce the station owners taking matters into their own hands to keep the tradeways open. (After they unnanounced, blew the living hell out of those camping the station)
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flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
43
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:25:48 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Whilst we have absolutely no idea of how CCP will handle stations, or the space for that matter, the main trading station, would become unuseable if there is not a mechanism to keep access to it open.
Putting a station in a wormhole is a honeypot. Whilst one can think lots of content creation must be good ? Right? What would actually occur is they become suicide zones. You could reduce or increase ones personal opportunity to increase risk or lower it only marginally. Just being there will ensure combat 99 times out of 100.
So the logical, simplest, way to handle this situation is to have VERY high power station guns that reach all of the stations grid, that react to any agressive action, swiftly and viciously!
This would be similar to a port in the carribean during the privateer/pirate days, no one would fight in the port, or get a cannon ball up ones raggity arse!
Outside the port? Well we all know how lawless that was! No shortage of conflict there!
There will be many places to find combat, rather than hanging around at the station closing down all activity and trade.
I am sure CCP will have thought of this and have their own solutions, as they naturally want the new space to be used by many.
I think that oculd be interesting, Maybe just 1, or only a few, of the stations have incredible gate guns (like insta pop most ships). This would make it so at least 1 station could be a trade hub. There would still be a slight problem of being ganked, but you would have to dedicate a lot. The other stations could be there for people to "claim" and do their annyoing station games.
All great men have mustaches
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
128
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:43:39 -
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Looks like they're just making it so there are no anchored bubbles - only dictor/hictor bubbles, which is cool. Between that and the fix for hobojamming this system should be highly difficult to control without putting a large fleet on the field (read: vulnerable). I anticipated they would do this, and I'm glad they did.
All of this space sounds quite exciting. The frig-only systems in particular should be full of D3 fights. Should be interesting.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
748
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:23:29 -
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In case you wonder, it looks like this: http://puu.sh/cPsAA/89f5f94299.jpg .
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3941
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:49:43 -
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so 2 of the 4 stations are right next to each other? sweet, so there's only really 3 stations. im sure the system wont be camped to **** at all!
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Firestorm Delta
Aphotic Machina
41
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:51:05 -
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Jack Miton wrote:so 2 of the 4 stations are right next to each other? sweet, so there's only really 3 stations. im sure the system wont be camped to **** at all!
Looks like just one station to me.
I'll probably try to check it out despite going against my better judgement. Just have to figure out what kind of ship to take in there since death is probably assured. Mission runners might like it for getting boosters into high sec without having to deal with the navy. I could see it becoming a trade hub for very specific things unless they give people a good reason to do production there. |
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