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Trexan
CMS-17 Initiative CMS-17 Expanse
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Posted - 2014.11.12 00:00:11 -
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High I have recently returned to EVE. I have a question about my Drake DPS.
I currently have 15.5 mill SP in missiles, with all support missiles skills to level V. I also have Caldari Battlecruisers level V.
I currently fit 2xBCU in the lows and use normal Heavy Missiles for the range (63km). But the thing is, I'm only getting 200DPS? Am I missing something here?
I get 300dps if I use Kinetic Missiles for obvious reasons and would get more for using assault missiles but the thing is not every mission calls for use of Kinetic damage and the range sucks with assault missiles.
I'm going by the DPS on the fitting screen in-game. |
ggodhsup
Raider corp
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Posted - 2014.11.12 00:06:05 -
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drake dps has always been abysmal.....hams maybe?.....or a different ship? |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
550
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Posted - 2014.11.12 00:44:02 -
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Drake only does kinetic. Also, you should have 3x BCUs, not just two.
If you need a missile BC that can do non-kinetic damage, look into the Cyclone. |
Gefen Orion
Orion Star Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.11.12 01:34:02 -
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Heavy launchers were nerfed awhile ago. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the range and dps were nerfed due to HML being the flavor of the month (or years?) weapon system used by ALL of the nullsec alliance. Then the Drake followed suit coz again, it was greatly used by nullsec blobfare.
FYI, the drake is no longer THE best BC and the HML is no longer the godmode weapon it once was. Both of them have been "balanced" to be on par with their other counterparts.
But, imo, the drake and hml is really in a bad place right now. |
Trexan
CMS-17 Initiative CMS-17 Expanse
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Posted - 2014.11.12 01:52:23 -
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Gefen Orion wrote:Heavy launchers were nerfed awhile ago. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the range and dps were nerfed due to HML being the flavor of the month (or years?) weapon system used by ALL of the nullsec alliance. Then the Drake followed suit coz again, it was greatly used by nullsec blobfare.
FYI, the drake is no longer THE best BC and the HML is no longer the godmode weapon it once was. Both of them have been "balanced" to be on par with their other counterparts.
But, imo, the drake and hml is really in a bad place right now.
Ah thankyou, I did not know this. I wondered why they only went to 64km, I used to be able to fire them 90km and upwards before. So what do people fly these days? Are all Caldari ships less viable now?
The last time I played must be 3 years ago. When Ravens used to cost 60mill ^^
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
404
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Posted - 2014.11.12 02:04:21 -
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Get a Gila.
Smile once again. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.11.12 02:36:37 -
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try a navy drake. extra launcher and not limited to kinetic damage |
Voxinian
81
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Posted - 2014.11.12 02:58:09 -
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Switch to rapid lights (if it suits the situation) and add a painter. Unfortunately there are no rapid HAMs in the game (yet). |
Gefen Orion
Orion Star Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.11.12 03:19:06 -
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Trexan wrote:Gefen Orion wrote:Heavy launchers were nerfed awhile ago. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the range and dps were nerfed due to HML being the flavor of the month (or years?) weapon system used by ALL of the nullsec alliance. Then the Drake followed suit coz again, it was greatly used by nullsec blobfare.
FYI, the drake is no longer THE best BC and the HML is no longer the godmode weapon it once was. Both of them have been "balanced" to be on par with their other counterparts.
But, imo, the drake and hml is really in a bad place right now. Ah thankyou, I did not know this. I wondered why they only went to 64km, I used to be able to fire them 90km and upwards before. So what do people fly these days? Are all Caldari ships less viable now? The last time I played must be 3 years ago. When Ravens used to cost 60mill ^^
While they nerfed HML, they buffed cruise missile launchers. Damage has been increased significantly. So while all the HML ships has been nerfed to the ground (including Tengus), BS missile ships have been improved dramatically. Raven, CNI, SNI, Golem, Rattlesnake, Typhoon and even the Armageddon now enjoys the buff to cruise missiles. BS class missile ships are in a good position now with regards to PVE applications. PVP, still the same as before.
Get a raven and try it out. Raven + MWD or MJD, 2 painters is good enough for any mission. (good enough but not the best...golem and the rattlesnake share the throne right now with regards to PVE missiles ships). |
Luwc
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
290
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:04:40 -
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Basically CCP nerfed the Drake and Heavy Missiles hard.
its still a decent ship but you might be better off with a HAC like the cerb.
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GordonO
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2014.11.12 18:52:58 -
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Gefen Orion wrote:Trexan wrote:Gefen Orion wrote:Heavy launchers were nerfed awhile ago. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the range and dps were nerfed due to HML being the flavor of the month (or years?) weapon system used by ALL of the nullsec alliance. Then the Drake followed suit coz again, it was greatly used by nullsec blobfare.
FYI, the drake is no longer THE best BC and the HML is no longer the godmode weapon it once was. Both of them have been "balanced" to be on par with their other counterparts.
But, imo, the drake and hml is really in a bad place right now. Ah thankyou, I did not know this. I wondered why they only went to 64km, I used to be able to fire them 90km and upwards before. So what do people fly these days? Are all Caldari ships less viable now? The last time I played must be 3 years ago. When Ravens used to cost 60mill ^^ While they nerfed HML, they buffed cruise missile launchers. Damage has been increased significantly. So while all the HML ships has been nerfed to the ground (including Tengus), BS missile ships have been improved dramatically. Raven, RNI, SNI, Golem, Rattlesnake, Typhoon and even the Armageddon now enjoys the buff to cruise missiles. BS class missile ships are in a good position now with regards to PVE applications. PVP, still the same as before. Get a raven and try it out. Raven + MWD or MJD, 2 painters is good enough for any mission. (good enough but not the best...golem and the rattlesnake share the throne right now with regards to PVE missiles ships).
You smoking your socks. A HML tengu still works great and will with scourge fury shooting a guristas BS be only a few seconds behind in killing it. But it has selective use, ie only kinetic damage is good.
If you caldari trained, just head up the raven tree till you get to the golem. zaqq's rave fit works pretty well for new players.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6YaOK3p-zs
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Banko Mato
Republic University Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2014.11.12 19:09:06 -
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Voxinian wrote:Switch to rapid lights (if it suits the situation) and add a painter. Unfortunately there are no rapid HAMs in the game (yet).
Rapid HAMs...? You mean emptying your cargo bay of missiles even faster, i.e. spewing out several salvos of HAMs per second?
If so, neeeeed!!!
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Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
550
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Posted - 2014.11.12 20:27:13 -
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Voxinian wrote:Switch to rapid lights (if it suits the situation) and add a painter. Unfortunately there are no rapid HAMs in the game (yet). Bad advice. Rapid lights aren't bonused on the Drake. |
ggodhsup
Raider corp
11
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Posted - 2014.11.12 21:01:55 -
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Chris Winter wrote:Voxinian wrote:Switch to rapid lights (if it suits the situation) and add a painter. Unfortunately there are no rapid HAMs in the game (yet). Bad advice. Rapid lights aren't bonused on the Drake.
that is about the idea of the drake being bad......launchers in general are unbonused on the drake....%5 kinetic is just a wasted bonus.
so with that, it kind of leaves your options open to what ever launcher you want.
and nice drone skills may get you another 90 dps. |
Chris Winter
Winters Are Coming
550
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Posted - 2014.11.12 22:49:49 -
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ggodhsup wrote:that is about the idea of the drake being bad......launchers in general are unbonused on the drake....%5 kinetic is just a wasted bonus.
so with that, it kind of leaves your options open to what ever launcher you want.
and nice drone skills may get you another 90 dps. It's a 10%/level bonus. 50% with BC 5. That's a fairly big chunk of damage and is hardly wasted.
As I said earlier in the thread, if you want to shoot something other than kinetic missiles, use a cyclone instead, as it will do more damage than a drake with non-kinetic types (and then has more drone bandwidth on top of that, leading to even more damage). Heck, even a Gnosis does more damage with non-kinetic missiles alone, and then it's got bonused drones on top of that. |
Gefen Orion
Orion Star Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:02:08 -
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GordonO wrote:Gefen Orion wrote:Trexan wrote:Gefen Orion wrote:Heavy launchers were nerfed awhile ago. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the range and dps were nerfed due to HML being the flavor of the month (or years?) weapon system used by ALL of the nullsec alliance. Then the Drake followed suit coz again, it was greatly used by nullsec blobfare.
FYI, the drake is no longer THE best BC and the HML is no longer the godmode weapon it once was. Both of them have been "balanced" to be on par with their other counterparts.
But, imo, the drake and hml is really in a bad place right now. Ah thankyou, I did not know this. I wondered why they only went to 64km, I used to be able to fire them 90km and upwards before. So what do people fly these days? Are all Caldari ships less viable now? The last time I played must be 3 years ago. When Ravens used to cost 60mill ^^ While they nerfed HML, they buffed cruise missile launchers. Damage has been increased significantly. So while all the HML ships has been nerfed to the ground (including Tengus), BS missile ships have been improved dramatically. Raven, RNI, SNI, Golem, Rattlesnake, Typhoon and even the Armageddon now enjoys the buff to cruise missiles. BS class missile ships are in a good position now with regards to PVE applications. PVP, still the same as before. Get a raven and try it out. Raven + MWD or MJD, 2 painters is good enough for any mission. (good enough but not the best...golem and the rattlesnake share the throne right now with regards to PVE missiles ships). You smoking your socks. A HML tengu still works great and will with scourge fury shooting a guristas BS be only a few seconds behind in killing it. But it has selective use, ie only kinetic damage is good. If you caldari trained, just head up the raven tree till you get to the golem. zaqq's rave fit works pretty well for new players.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6YaOK3p-zs
When I said the tengu HML has been nerfed hard, i wasn't joking. (and i don't smoke...it's such a flithy habit) A fully skilled HML Tengu (with 4 faction BC + HML IIs with scourge furies + implant) before the nerfed to HML could dish out 753 EFT DPS with a 113km range...as opposed to the watered down version nowadays, with the same set up mentioned before, the tengu of today has 654 EFT DPS and a max range of 61km.
Now compare that to what a T1 BS like the Raven could do...(mimicking the same set up albeit on Cruise missile launchers) 920 EFT DPS on 145km range. Application is fine with 3 rigors and 2 target painters (recently buffed). The Raven is a better choice for lvl4 missions.
I loved my Tengu and have flown it all over EVE's space, but whenever i remember its former glory days, i cry a little. TT CCP nerfed it to the ground. |
John Ratcliffe
Shadow Assault Squad
285
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:21:17 -
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I see that some people have suggested the Tengu, which is a very nice ship, but if your skills aren't up to it and you want to stick with the Drake then something like the following will do a job for you. No bling on a T1 hull, but that means this is only 65 Mil fully fitted. Swap resists to suit the mission obviously. Gives 577 DPS with full flight of Hob IIs - more than enough for any Lvl 3 mission:
[Drake, PVE] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari End of Life
27997
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:20:28 -
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Gefen Orion wrote:Trexan wrote:Gefen Orion wrote:Heavy launchers were nerfed awhile ago. I can't remember the numbers exactly but the range and dps were nerfed due to HML being the flavor of the month (or years?) weapon system used by ALL of the nullsec alliance. Then the Drake followed suit coz again, it was greatly used by nullsec blobfare.
FYI, the drake is no longer THE best BC and the HML is no longer the godmode weapon it once was. Both of them have been "balanced" to be on par with their other counterparts.
But, imo, the drake and hml is really in a bad place right now. Ah thankyou, I did not know this. I wondered why they only went to 64km, I used to be able to fire them 90km and upwards before. So what do people fly these days? Are all Caldari ships less viable now? The last time I played must be 3 years ago. When Ravens used to cost 60mill ^^ While they nerfed HML, they buffed cruise missile launchers. Damage has been increased significantly. So while all the HML ships has been nerfed to the ground (including Tengus), BS missile ships have been improved dramatically. Raven, RNI, SNI, Golem, Rattlesnake, Typhoon and even the Armageddon now enjoys the buff to cruise missiles. BS class missile ships are in a good position now with regards to PVE applications. PVP, still the same as before. Get a raven and try it out. Raven + MWD or MJD, 2 painters is good enough for any mission. (good enough but not the best...golem and the rattlesnake share the throne right now with regards to PVE missiles ships).
Gotta agree with this post - cruises are now the pinnacle of Swiss Army Knife weapons, with an excellent balance of damage, range, and application.
LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort.
Come back, Dusettes!
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