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Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.16 18:54:52 -
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This date last month; Plex were under 1 Billion isk each. Right now they are at about 1.25B isk.
This is a 25% increase in price in a 1 Month period - Which makes PLEX currently one of the most valuable investments a player can make. Why loan out isk at 10% monthly when you can Invest plex at 25%? Why deal amazing investments when they only pay 20% ? No investment is as secure as plex as even if a dip were to occur it would shoot through the roof anyhow. The oppurtunity cost of investing in anything but plex is too great.
If CCP were to even attempt to manipulate this value it would be to no avail as people will buy the plex and the price would not even budge; as now more than ever we know the sky is the limit and plex always goes up. It won't be one entity or one person but hundreds of people who will pick up their plex that instant instead of the future.
If new skins are introduced more people redeem plex for aurum regardless of the exchange rate
If there are fewer players in eve; plex rises If skins are released; plex rises
CCP noted when prices reached 1Billion and were temporarilly reset that they did not believe 1B was the right price of plex and infered it should cost more isk than that. Aside from making plex appear out of thin air as opposed to relying on a banned/reserve pile which is now nearly extinguished; there is little way to affect the prices. The reason being; any attempt would be thwarted by people stocking ahead of time knowing they'll save.
Plexes are nearing 15 billion per year per character if you buy your plex once a month. (If you buy it all TODAY) If you bought one a month for each character; the last few months would surely demand a higher price. Don't be suprised if you are paying 25 Billion plex per character if you intend to pay for your next years subscription 1 PLEX at a time. Look for alternate ways to pay.
Do you want 3 extra accounts this year or a Titan? 3 Super Carriers? 70 Carriers?
Because plex is destined to rise without the ability for CCP to intervene in any reasonable way it becomes more and more evident and valuable to pay for your subscription via credit card monthly for all accounts. Isk is not weighed against an item basket; deadspace mods; ships; everything can go down as players farm to make their monthly plex -> The more a player needs to farm the more prices drop ->
Its important to know ISK and its value is based solely on the existance of PLEX and is measured by the cost of plex. The value of isk has gone down down down and the severe inflation we see of ISK being worth 25% less in the last month. In 2 months time your hoarded isk can be worth HALF of what it is worth now and the only way to protect yourself from this volatility is to invest your isk in PLEX -> No other way can you assure your ISK will never lose value -> all the other items to invest in are a gamble; plex is not a gamble.
You can get a deadspace module for a little more; a little less or the same price you could last month in some cases; but you sure as heck can't buy plex at the same price. 1 Billion isk plex will never return. And I don't think 1.25B isk plex will return either
Don't expect CCP to bail out the plex economy this time; the reserves simply are not there. They made their magnificent move already; that hand was already played. Start paying by credit card for each account. As for general goods and items; look at these to determine the breaking point. Plex will go up indefinitely but general goods won't until the point where which the black market and playerbase shrinks.
At that breaking point though; you better buy because that means so many players quit; so many RMT operations moved out of EVE and its profitability is so low; that general goods will rise. Supply and Demand both going down is not ideal; less market competition is not good.
Keep an eye out on those deadspace boosters people; because when that line curves or angles upwards and continues to do so; we hit the breaking point.
One may think the only cure for our condition is injecting cold-hard players straight into the system -> Eve needs new players much like a ponzi schemist needs new investors; if EVE doesn't get the new players its markets implode. You may make the argument it will stabalize at some point; But don't expect to be able to afford goods or plex at the point.
I don't agree with this. i think the cure for our condition is to stop pretending the norms or prices of the past are at all indicative of what things should cost. Wake up people plex is worth a lot more than 1.3B isk. Isk is nothing and PLEX is water; is life; is gold is oil is everything. Plex is the lifeline. Enjoy the low prices while they last; because 1.3B for a plex is nothing compared to where its going. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.16 19:36:50 -
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Malcanis wrote:Leetmcfeet wrote:
Don't expect CCP to bail out the plex economy this time; the reserves simply are not there
Source?
ISK prices drop as plex prices rise; because ISK is worth less on the black market. When isk is worth less on the black market; RMT opperations go to other games with their farms; which are more profitable. if RMT operations leave; there are less RMT related bans - because nobody is doing it. If there are less RMT bans; there are less RMT related plex to introduce into holding.
Isk becomes worth less on the black market because the value of buying plex from ccp and exchanging it for isk is more prevalent as the amount of illicit isk one could possibly gain becomes very arbitrary as buying plex from CCP offers more and more isk per unit of plex. People are encouraged to obtain isk through CCP legitimately because they get so much isk for their money. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:51:01 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:Leetmcfeet wrote:Aside from making plex appear out of thin air as opposed to relying on a banned/reserve pile which is now nearly extinguished; there is little way to affect the prices.... I'm pretty sure that CCP cannot just make PLEX "out of thin air", due to the way they are doing their accounting, and it isn't clear whether or not CCP's stockpile of confiscated PLEX is "nearly extinguished", or not, since they tend not to publicly release that sort of info. However, they could always confiscate more PLEX by enforcing more permabans on bot activity
There actually is quite a bit of info which pertains to this and CCP themselves released it. On at least one occasion in the last 60 days the community got a snapshot of the wallet sizes of 2 specific ccp characters which were used for holding confiscated isk. These characters covered 2 major categories; such as but not nescessarilly; botting/selling.
The wallets sizes account for trillions; but is raw isk. Total PLEX would be much less than the isk amounts displayed here:
GM x and z
Than there are older stats released at the 2015 Eve Fanfest;
Stats 1
From this we can guess 2.5 trillion in isk monthly total was being gathered than and it was infered by the security team that these numbers were decreasing; thats the total amount - of which PLEX would be very little.
Than there is this graph; dictating those banned by in large were new players
Naughty Newbros
How many new players did we get in the last 90 days?
Than there is this figure:
Security Team SMASH!
Which showed a downward trend and decline in illicit actions and bannable and thus confiscated assets.
March was 2.5 trillion in total assets; isk plex etc. and we got to that point from a downward trend - Its 6 months later; if that trend continued; if security continued to be at least as efficient; todays numbers could very well be miniscule and will continue to decline rapidly as ISK loses its value on the black market due to the correlation between it and the price of PLEX: (READ: how much isk you get for a PLEX)
Mind the average player count and peak concurent users for these time periods; note the population we see today; note that there indeed is less illicit activity to weigh against the great security team CCP has; note how profitable EVE is on the black market in comparison to other MMO titles. Note the complete reorginzation of sov and what that meant for renters who made up the vast majority of illicit activity. These things have affects and drive down illicit activity.
The evil people are not going to be found here; they left for greener pastures whether by not being able to feed their children from botting eve; or having been successfully thwarted one times too many. Illicit activity will continue to decline as ISK becomes more and more worthless in comparison to something like wow gold. Eve is just not a good game for botting/RMT/Cheating because the money is not there and real life money; and bread to put on the table for little suzzie is what drives the big botters.
But don't shed a tear for them; they will make better money in another game. Given the data; I infer there is no mountain of plex to fix the market and it must be stated again; CCP infered plex should cost more than 1 Billion isk per unit back when it first reached 1 Billion and they intervened. And I say it should cost more than 1.3B isk per unit as it is the lifeline.
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Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.17 03:55:01 -
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I would like to make a correction; I actually found this in relation to GMs x and z
CCP Peligro GÇÅ@CCP_Peligro Feb 17 @Silva117 @noizygamer The raw ISK actually pales in comparison to the worth of the asset on banned accounts.
That being the case; the snapshot is from a very active time in history and likely contains several Titan class super capital class ships. That being said I find it harder to quantify how much plex may be available; but can still attest very little if any could be flowing in given the rest of the data we are privy too. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.17 12:29:57 -
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Rumbaldi wrote:If someone is using plex to fund their account, be it game time or training and that person leaves then surely that is reducing the demand of plex.
If someone with even 3 same account toons wanted to plex game time and geet all 3 training queues going they would need 3 plex, if they leave then that is 3 plex that will not be sold. Surely that is not a good thing.
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I don't forsee this high reducing the demand of PLEX: quite the opposite. I expect the DEMAND for PLEX to skyrocket higher than its ever been before. You can get new skins with PLEX; you can get ISK and CCP offers a great deal.
I suspect anyone who temporarilly or even permamently quit due to this would be vastly outweighed by the additional purchases people are now making and have been making in anticipation of skins and plex to isk conversions. I say temporarilly as eve players historically resub when things are good again or different enough for another try. Maybe they'll just be able to afford 10 or 15 dollars a month to sub down the line. The higher PLEX climbs; the more incentive there is to buy PLEX.
Lets be honest god forbid someone quit they would likely return; people statistically return to EVE and anyone posting here is so deep in EVE and cares so much that they are destined to return should they take a break. And when they do they will be able to grab a couple billion isk for a plex.
The second CCP is not selling more plex through PLEX being worth more isk in comparison to any player who cannot sub their account is the second CCP will introduce a plex sale. CCP had how many economists watch over this game in the past? And still pays someone to study the economy.
REST assured their data is better than yours and they know very well what will happen. You don't need to teach CCP economics or subs because they already have people who devoted their lifes work to this and already know the answer. Peoples napkin math and calculations had been run countless times over the years no doubt by staff who were paid to do so; not just encouraged on a whim because it affected them but because that was their job.
They know what the market can bear. They know the exact numbers. So don't spaceship economist theorizing the possibilities on this one. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:10:44 -
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Alexi Stokov wrote:
Your belief that economists know exactly what is going to happen is laughable.
Surely can be likened to the weatherman but there is a reason why economist is a profession. They have more access and more data than any player here; they have monitored this phenomena to varying degrees in the past. You are hung up on the terminology exactly and want to point out that "they in fact have a much better idea than anyone here" - was the correct phrase. What exactly do you think you are pointing out that other readers couldn't see for themselves?
Alexi Stokov wrote:CCP has had numerous PLEX sales and guess what? They were all at lower PLEX isk prices. How do you expect some new PLEX sale to magically set this perfect number for what a PLEX "should" be at? The reality is that at best, they would have an idea of what the sweet spot is for PLEX price but markets surprise all the time. The only way they might know is if we have already passed that number and they see things in the data. But if that had happened, by your logic, we would be seeing a be all to end all massive PLEX sale on right
Markee Dragon when questioned noted Business has spiked in relation to the plex prices going up. He is a third party seller of plex and is a great indication that CCP's own numbers are up.
If you wanted a BMW which is priced at $179,120 and is offered at a car lot for $169,000 you might buy it. If that same BMW is priced one sale at 1 cent; you will buy it.
It can't be that hard to understand how it is possible that plex could sell more units when there have been sales before. When you become an adult and need to get groceries weekly you will better understand the noted relationship; because everything is always on sale at the supermarket. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.17 23:17:06 -
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Last year; prices rose over 20% between October and the middle of November; and than the prices went back to normal at around December. For more info on this: http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2014/12/a-quick-history-of-christmas-plex-prices.html
That being said there is a rough 2 months ahead of us and when the price goes down for December (If it goes down any reasonable %) It will be to a price which could very well be a price higher than what plex currently demands. That link suggests the announcement of ISBOXER multibroadcast being bannable lowered plex prices back than.
Given the data plex appears to rise in cost each year and has a small dip around the month of christmas. When this occurs I think plex will be at a fine price for the year; but it will be more expensive than it is now (1.3B) I think 1.3 will pale in comparison to where plex is heading this year.
This noted trend of a PLEX bubble; suggests we may see this price hike for another 2 full months before release; when all is said and done; the resting price for the new year I expect to be over the current price; Do not expect plex to be cheaper in December than it is today; Insteadl; expect the price of plex in December to be cheaper than Novembers high. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.19 04:18:11 -
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Get your plex now; at these prices. you can grab them at 1.2B around the time when the new day starts in eve. Why?
Because historically plex prices rise and rise and rise in fall and winter. October plex will be higher on average; November plex will be higher on average. The supply of plex will be very low as we move into and throughout winter baring sales which barely effect its price.
Forget what prices plex used to be. If you see 1.2B plex; you should think thats normal. 1,2 is the new 1b was the old 800m was the old was the old 540m was the old 300m - when prices finally calm next summer;
If you don't want to pay via credit card; and you don't think you want to pay 1.4-1.5B this winter; buy at 1.2. The only other time you might get a chance may be on the 23'rd-24th when power of 2 promotion is no longer in effect; as people currently can trade 3 plex for 6 months of training on an alt account. Buy at the lowest point you can but do not plan on 1B returning.
If you don't have a storage of liquid isk for this winter or otherwise have your subscription planned/figured out/paid for; budget how you are going to acquire 1.3-1.5B isk each month and you will be fine. You should see daily highs and lows which may vary from 5-10% with some outliers selling more or less than this range; make a buy order - buy low. The lowest price you can; do not wait for October; do not wait for Novermber - Do not plan on a drastic game change or announcement to hopefully lower prices. It will be a harsh winter.
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Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.21 20:58:41 -
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motie one wrote:Well, I personally cannot imagine CCP not taking an "Central Bank" action of some form.
Again CCP infered plex should cost more than 1 Billion isk last time they intervened when plex jumped to 1 Billion from 800. If it hits 1.5B they just might intervene if it happens quickly; if it takes months (as it should) they likely would not - because if the past is any indicator - if it slowly increases to an amount (1.5B in this example) - it will drop when next years summer begins. At which point it would be in the 1.2-.1.3 range and be a good price for that year; until september/october happens again and the base price for the next year is set at 1.5B and so on.
Did plex spike a large amount as opposed to a gradual increase this year? Yes it did. Will people unsub alts because of this? Yes they will. Will people quit the game because of this? Not unless they were already on their way out.
Plex always goes up; and this is beneficial for the game in several ways. The biggest benefit is the game sheds weight in the amount of illicit users who are botting or otherwise cheating to obtain isk to sell. High Plex Prices are the biggest blow that can be struck as far as black markets and RMT are concerned - because legitimate ISK from CCP is cheaper - Which allows players to legitimately purchase their isk in the form of PLEX from CCP without the premium tax of doing it the right way. The higher the price of plex - the less valuable EVE is as a potential black market money making activity.
Plex is worth much more than 1.2B - and 200m is an increase we could have expected this year as normal. However - this year we had a very successful plex drive taking thousands of plex out of circulation - we also saw skins introduced and many plex converted into aurum. The sinks for plex this year have been tremendous and as such the peak this year should be much higher.
The prices; spikes and trends we saw of years past; all with their own doomsayer threads; are incomprable based on the amount of plex sinks and uses/conversions for plex we have today. PLEX appreciated in value this year - it buys skins. So it can be expected that in additional to the normal price hike; an additional hike occur based on its new found demand.
The price of PLEX is ordinary for a month or two from today - given what happened this year I don't think its out of line; we should see higher peaks as winter commences. You say PLEX is not worth 1.2B and think it should be valued at 500m. I say plex should be 1.2B and more and I have provided details as to why this would be the case. This year is different and you should expect CCP knows this and will take it into account. Do not expect CCP to step in.
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Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.21 22:44:54 -
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I had a post; and it was emotionally charged and against the ideas of Motie One. I have decided it does not forward or do any justice to this thread or the ideas within and I have removed it. The premise was more than 30 seconds of thought would likely be required to formulate any idea that wouldn't be torn to hell within seconds by more experienced players with no economic experience. |
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Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.23 07:30:16 -
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Motie people are still putting newly introduced plex onto the market. Players are still obtaining and consuming plex. Players holding onto plex - does not stop others from introducing new plex into the game. There is no shortage of PLEX being consumed and leaving the economy as many 'wealth reserves' were converted into aurum to pick up skins; to make use of power of two promotion etc.
Within this thread exists testimony of players purchasing and putting plex into the market. The volume of PLEX trading hands is large; there is a healthy amount in circulation for this time of year. PLEX is a player produced comodity; it only enters the eve universe when an individual pays a premium in real world currency for it to enter the market.
The demand for plex is ever increasing as EVE ages and its price in part correlates with this demand. Your disatisfaction with other players sometimes dealing with plex in a fashion you deem outside of its expected usage; does not change any of these facts.
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Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.23 08:12:53 -
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Explain the link between a variable amount of plex being stored and how you feel CCP must intervene. I am having trouble following the jump. For what reason do you feel plex which is not in circulation is affecting anything when it does not exist as far as the market is concerned? Is it that you are concerned players are paying more for plex than they might have if all existing plex were available to the market at all times until consumption? If so; of what matter is it if PLEX costs more so long as players are still buying it?
Your theorized case of people quitting is not supported by any statistics. Every year players complain about the winter prices of PLEX- Every year the doomsayers suggest they will quit the game - In reality what appears to happen is they shed extra weight (unsub alt accounts) and resub those accounts as ISK and conditions permit. What does however happen is more players discontinue subbing via PLEX and instead pay for their subscription via credit card which allows CCP to realise any potential profits sooner rather than later (which is the case with consumables gamers purchase whose real world costs are not realised until the consumables are actually consumed).
Simply put; I don't agree that players are quitting in droves due to ISK cost of plex. I don't think CCP is losing any money with plex being 1.2B as opposed to say 300m. Should you be able to better support a link between damage being done to the game and the amount of plex being stored than one previously mentioned idea might be of some value.
Plex ultimately having an experation date - at which point it would be automatically added to the game time on the account where which its stored - is an interesting idea and might warrant further exploration. The other ideas I have seen presented can have catastrophic economic consequences as far as I am concerned. Seeing a 1 year experiation date added to all current and future plex to allow a years time for people to move the product; might be reasonable if it would have a positive effect for CCP. This again is an interesting concept to consider for the sport of it - as to suggest why not develope that idea and see where it leads- what the drawbacks; benefits and consequences could possibly be. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.23 08:30:54 -
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motie one wrote:
Let me ask you, do you see no connection between this and the reduction of concurrent players, the unsubbing of alts, the reduction of multiple pilot training and the velocity of isk in the economy? This isk for example would be buying these services and is currently not for most players. It is just padding users balances. Waiting.
If you cannot see this just wait for CCP to act to rebalance the serious imbalance, and then reconsider.
You're attributing a loss of concurent players to PLEX which is simply not true. Phoebe; Sov and various forms of bitching have lowered concurent players in the cases where players are actually leaving the game- in other cases people are cutting the fat until a time where which they find use in their alts and sub them again. The game has undergone massive changes which fundamentally completely change the way the game is played. People left because they were unhappy and because when your friends quit - you quit. When you've had your group for several years and people leave; you leave too because you are left with nothing. Those players may or may not return; but PLEX will hardly have anything to do with it. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.23 09:07:28 -
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For whatever reason you cannot understand PLEX is worth more than 1.2B isk. its your inexperience and ineptitude towards matters regarding economics; demand and any number of related facets. As such you are in for a very dissapointing time with EVE - because what you want - is not going to happen period
Plex will rise year in and year out and will not cease to rise on a yearly basis until the game dies. Your unsupported bubble theory where the sky falls because plex is at a value more than its worth - is ridiculous. Its price is within normal bounds for this year. Rises in winter; Falls in summer. Its not the housing bubble; its not tulips its not the credit crunch. This is EVE love it or hate it. |
Leetmcfeet
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Posted - 2015.09.23 09:21:10 -
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motie one wrote:
Oh, is this where you write me another mail, telling me that I am new? Wrong. I am a student and don't understand economics? Wrong and wrong, and I shouldn't argue with my betters?
sic:
"You are dealing with people; some of whom have studied EVE onlines economy for several years. Still others believe the sky is falling and will say to all doom is here and the world will surely crumble. You are combating an economy which has been molded over a decade - with little to no knowledge or experience in the area and an inability to seperate our world from the real world. If the real world suffers economic collapse; it recovers. If EVE suffers collapse it ceases to exist as it can no longer make payroll.
The ideas you have forumulated are very short sighted and based on a lack of understanding of EVE - I can see you don't have the knowledge; experience or dedication the EVE staff consists of. your 101 course might be the beggining of a life of knowledge and attunement in the way of real world economies and you will likely pick up bits along the way which would allow you to better understand our economy - but a decade from now you will laugh at your self and what little you knew and how shortsighted you were. I am not saying you need to complete your doctorate before you comment; but realise you are competing against doctoral level knowledge of real world professionals. You no doubt know of EVEs fame and its reliance on economists - on world renown economists whose work here is well regarded and respected.
If you want to tackle the issue at least think about it for a few months for a few hours each day; because you are fighting a school of thought which it was built on; that studied the economy every day for just short of a decade. A paid professional in the field whose work was EVE; whose joy was EVE - whose life was EVE. If you want to present ideas; present ideas that work in eve and cut the rhetoric. Whatever you do; don't cite examples from last semester; last year or what you picked up paying attention in class. Because they don't support your ideas or oppiniions. Use good quality sources that are relevant - cite other occurances in EVE; in video games.
Tulips are the first page in the book of a different genre; try the last page - read that; than read the series on EVE; the volumes and collections - than read the work of Dr. Eyjolfur - Study EVE s economy and than come up with an idea. I am getting caught up in the lack of any relevant idea and the bad examples which do not demonstrate or assist your points - not the price of plex.
You are new to our game; Our Economy; I don't hold that against you - I hold your short sigtedness and inappropriate citing of sources against you. They don't forward your oppinion and exist as nothing more than gradeschool rhetoric. You should at least take a course on EVE before trying to fix or bankrupt it. "
Moties Response:
"this character is a posting alt, I have played the game for 5 years. I was employed in an international bank in the trading room until my retirement. your assumptions are amusing. Good luck pumping plex. Pity you do not realise just how different a commodity it is."
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:11:42 -
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motie one wrote:
No, no they did not (well they announced they had)
motie one wrote:
fixed NPC sell orders at 500m coupled with a Plex sale of 1$/Gé¼/-ú over the subscription rate for a transition period
motie one wrote:
One must be aware, that there is an "arms race" between speculators and the central banks of the world
motie one wrote:
Plex is no longer a material good or a consumeable
a large quantity of Plex holdings that can actually be sold for 499,999,999 ISK each is more valuable than plex with a 1.3 Bil price tag
And there is no guarantee, those alts, that training, or those people will suddenly discover their mothers credit card.
I am a student and don't understand economics
Best to just keep one's eyes tightly closed, Don't ask questions,and just bend over once a month.
It is probably Best for me to leave discussing economics to those who are willing to challenge their assumptions
A hard cap supported by NPC sell orders, and a free market below that point is my recommendation.
Motie; If only you could take your own advice. Understand we the eve community do not want your ideas. You have failed to convince anyone again and again yet you keep comming back with more rhetoric. Its not only the language you use; not only the way you present your thoughts - Its the thoughts - they are bad. Your ideas are really bad. Understand whatever tact or wit you attempt to apply will be wasted as fundamentally the ideas show a complete lack of understanding of EVE.
No we will not have 500m Plex npc sell orders. (Are you trying to bankrupt CCP for your own gain?)
No we will not operate like how you envision a swiss bank does (Death to all bankers)
No we don't want to hear about your deviant fantasies - this is not the appropriate forum to post them ( NSFW much?) |
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Posted - 2015.09.25 01:02:42 -
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Those are copy pastes from your replies in this thread. You can edit all you want - the originals are still accessible to CCP as is every variant along the way. Lying about it is silly and a waste of ISD time - I suggest you discontinue doing so before someone takes notice of this intentional disruption.
Instead why don't you stick to your guns and defend your statements instead of disowning them. Are you purposely trolling? How do you think this looks? Me, disagreeing with you is not an offense. You are free to leave the thread; you are free to not participate in the thread - but don't spam ISD like a child. |
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Posted - 2015.09.25 05:07:24 -
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yvsyvz wrote:Leetmcfeet wrote: Understand we the eve community do not want your ideas. Wow! You always know something is foul and fishy if someone starts to speak for the "eve community".
I agree CSM is good people. In other news every point the guy brought up got slammed by one of several unique individuals; terminology may be too broad for your liking but its surely evidenced in this very thread that the ideas he wants implemented would destroy the EVE economy if not the game. Simply cannot implement 500m npc sell orders for plex; he is a goofy character. |
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Posted - 2015.09.25 10:50:30 -
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LOL |
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