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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.04.30 20:38:47 -
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I am willing to better 10 PLEX that we are NOT going to hit 750 in the next 3 months
Sale hit as predicted - dev blog next
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.30 21:08:41 -
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I'll take the bet at a 3:1 ratio. Average across 4 major trade hubs by August 1st.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.04.30 21:55:57 -
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3:1 - so I get 30 and you get 10 ?
Rens/Heck - unless place
Avg of trade PLEX per day in Forge, Domain and Sinq L. weighted by traded amount. From 1/5 -> To 1/8 Goes below 750m or not.
Collateral holder Chribba.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.04.30 23:01:50 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:3:1 - so I get 30 and you get 10 ? Rens/Hek - unless place Avg of trade PLEX per day in Forge, Domain and Sinq L. weighted by traded amount. Before 1st August, does it go below 750m or not. (Collateral holder Chribba.)
No, it will hit 750 on or about September 15th. It will go up before Christmas and back down to 700 at end of year.
I wouldn't bet on those odds though as that is a loanshark style bet. But come up with something mutually beneficial and we can talk to Chribba. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2015.04.30 23:33:56 -
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I always like to see people put their money where their mouth is. It's too late to back out now .
Angelica Everstar wrote:I am willing to better 10 PLEX that we are NOT going to hit 750 in the next 3 months Sale hit as predicted - dev blog next
GankYou wrote:I'll take the bet at a 3:1 ratio. Average across 4 major trade hubs by August 1st.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.01 00:41:17 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:3:1 - so I get 30 and you get 10 ?
Your 10 / 3, price averaged across 4 trade hubs as per https://element-43.com
No collateral - only the pirate's word, because I find it generates the maximum amount of drama this way.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2015.05.01 00:51:46 -
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There's no drama in your position, only shame .
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:17:58 -
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Bagholder 170x order filled at 840 mln in Jita - We'll see where it goes from here.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:24:03 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:3:1 - so I get 30 and you get 10 ? Rens/Hek - unless place Avg of trade PLEX per day in Forge, Domain and Sinq L. weighted by traded amount. Before 1st August, does it go below 750m or not. (Collateral holder Chribba.) No, it will hit 750 on or about September 15th. It will go up before Christmas and back down to 700 at end of year. I wouldn't bet on those odds though as that is a loanshark style bet. But come up with something mutually beneficial and we can talk to Chribba. Does the avg. of PLEX go blow 700m before 1st Jan 2016?
We both give Chribba 5 PLEX : If it does go below - You will get the 10 PLEX from Chribba. If it does not go below - I will get the 10 PLEX from Chribba.
Data use to determine : Data from EVE market history of, as seen in client. Avg. of traded PLEX of the day in Forge, Domain and Sinq L. weighted by traded amount.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:29:09 -
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Why did the date get pushed back all of a sudden?
Averages across the four major trade hubs as reported by https://element-43.com/market/29668/ is more accurate than any other method, because the website uses CREST.
No third parties - just the word, and I wouldn't want to have devalued PLEX returned to me on the termination date.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:32:18 -
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GankYou wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:3:1 - so I get 30 and you get 10 ? Your 10 / 3, price averaged across 4 trade hubs as per https://element-43.comNo collateral - only the pirate's word, because I find it generates the maximum amount of drama this way.
Does the avg. of PLEX go blow 750m before 1st Aug 2015?
We both give Chribba 0 PLEX : If it does go below - You will get the 5 PLEX from me. If it does not go below - I will get the 10 PLEX from you.
Data use to determine : Data from EVE market history of, as seen in client (Which should be the same as Element43). Avg. of traded PLEX of the day in Forge, Domain Heimatar, and Sinq L. weighted by traded amount.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:37:33 -
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GankYou wrote:Why did the date get pushed back all of a sudden? Averages across the four major trade hubs as reported by https://element-43.com/market/29668/ is more accurate than any other method, because the website uses CREST. No third parties - just the word, and I wouldn't want to have devalued PLEX returned to me on the termination date.
Are you also Market McSelling ?
Data as per client, is the source. CREST is a copy, and Element-43 is a "unknown" 3rd party "stating" it uses CREST (Likely does, but still)...
Why data as per client is a most for me, to be willing to take part :)
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:38:10 -
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What happened to the 10 PLEX on the table? Make it 1:1 then - ten both ways.
I would only agree on data as provided by element-43.com - should you find any fault in their work, let me know as soon as possible.
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Angelica Everstar wrote:GankYou wrote:Why did the date get pushed back all of a sudden? Averages across the four major trade hubs as reported by https://element-43.com/market/29668/ is more accurate than any other method, because the website uses CREST. No third parties - just the word, and I wouldn't want to have devalued PLEX returned to me on the termination date. Are you also Market McSelling ?
Yes, I like debating myself on Internet forums through alts.
Quote:Data as per client, is the source. CREST is a copy, and Element-43 is a "unknown" 3rd party "stating" it uses CREST (Likely does, but still)...
As much as I like sitting with a calculator, those CREST averages are weighted for volume to filter out the noise.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:59:28 -
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Does the avg. of PLEX go blow 750m before 1st Aug 2015?
If it does go below - You will get the 10 PLEX from me. If it does not go below - I will get the 10 PLEX from you.
Data use to determine : Data from EVE market history, as seen in client. Avg. of traded PLEX of the day in Forge, Domain Heimatar, and Sinq L. weighted by traded amount.
Well - you are free to use those site to see if the PLEX has gone below (or even close), and I will likely do the same. BUT - Since the data from the client is the original source. I'm only willing to accept THOSE data, as everything else gives room for errors.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.01 10:03:52 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:Does the avg. of PLEX go blow 750m before 1st Aug 2015?
If it does go below - You will get the 10 PLEX from me. If it does not go below - I will get the 10 PLEX from you.
Acceptable.
Quote:Data use to determine : Data from EVE market history, as seen in client. Avg. of traded PLEX of the day in Forge, Domain Heimatar, and Sinq L. weighted by traded amount.
Is not acceptable. vOv
Quote:Well - you are free to use those site to see if the PLEX has gone below (or even close), and I will likely do the same. BUT - Since the data from the client is the original source. I'm only willing to accept THOSE data, as everything else gives room for errors.
There are far larger problems at hand, when an error of 2 mil makes it or breaks it for those specified conditions.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.01 10:08:38 -
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Does the avg. of PLEX go blow 750m before 1st Aug 2015?
If it does go below - You will get the 10 PLEX from me. If it does not go below - I will get the 10 PLEX from you.
Data use to determine : Data from EVE market history, as seen in client. Avg. of traded PLEX of the day in Sinq Laison, Heimatar, Domain and the Forge regions weighted by traded amount.
Are my terms
If you wish to discuses them - PM me - let us not derail this thread anymore than already
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.05.01 10:12:46 -
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Fuzzwork or 43-element for data. vOv
This thread could use a lively discussion again - I'd love to have the guy who's losing 1bn ISK everytime the price goes down by 5.882 mil come join us.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:35:23 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:Well... there is likely a sale and soon to be dev blog that is going to affect PLEX a fair bit :)
And ... the dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/plex-for-good-nepal/
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:23:02 -
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Any takers on if PLEX reach 1b or not within the month ?
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Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2015.05.04 20:20:50 -
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Is the sale over? If prices continue to rise I'd expect the sale to continue, or a new one to be announced soon....
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.05.04 20:47:38 -
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To my knowledge sale is over tmr. Might see another on the final days of the PLEX4GOOD
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Lil Bo Peep
Insight Securities
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Posted - 2015.05.06 13:06:11 -
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Xanato Kaso wrote: I enjoy mining. 6 of my toons are dedicated towards mining and this one is towards combat. but I have to spend a lot of time mining just to pay for PLEXES when i could be using those minerals for my industry goals. all due to the super inflated price of PLEX.
I used to run a 6 ship mining fleet, I enjoyed it too. Then PLEX got expensive and it sucked and I was tired of feeling obligated to mine MORE, and EVERY DAY to maintain my accounts. Then I realized that after subtracting my PLEX cost, dual boxing missions netted me more ISK/Hr than sextuple-boxing miners so I sold my miners. Then I realized that 45 minutes at my RL job nets a month worth of game time for 1 account. Now I pay with a CC and explore the other things EVE has to offer, I play whenever I want, and I don't care about PLEX prices. YMMV, but the takeaway is that missioning is (can easily be, if you do it right) more profitable and I also found it to be similarly relaxing and enjoyable. It's ultimately less stressful as well, as I have fewer accounts to worry about. |
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
33880
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Posted - 2015.05.06 13:45:10 -
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Koniforous wrote:Is the sale over? If prices continue to rise I'd expect the sale to continue, or a new one to be announced soon....
I'm just wondering at which point will CCP **** a brick and try to depress the prices longterm.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5580
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Posted - 2015.05.06 14:42:26 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Koniforous wrote:Is the sale over? If prices continue to rise I'd expect the sale to continue, or a new one to be announced soon.... I'm just wondering at which point will CCP **** a brick and try to depress the prices longterm. Why would they ever do that?
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Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2015.05.06 14:54:45 -
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They had sale after sale last year while prices were experiencing wild fluctuations. I don't think ccp aims to maintain a specific price, but rather, a specific rate of price increase. I've suspected that when prices increase by ~100mil within only a few days/weeks, ccp intervenes with a sale, and if prices continue rising, they begin selling off banned account plex to buy orders for less than the order is posted. I'm more concerned about ccp's long term promise of game time via purchased plex, and how they plan to handle it.
I foresee a LOT more uses of plex in the future that completely destroy the plex [releasing ccp from promised game time (releasing ccp from paying back a loan/bond purchased by a pilot)]. Whether or not this will make prices rise though is beyond my scope, I would guess prices would rise however if supply becomes limited. But with ever increasing ways to use plex, new players would have to continue coming into the game for supplies to remain high and isk values to remain low. Something I'd guess won't happen unless ccp does something like blizzard did with cataclysm and change their entire eve universe upside down (a path we seem to be on.)
Blah blah blah
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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
33880
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Posted - 2015.05.06 14:55:06 -
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Various reasons, 1 PLEX costing more than 1 month of regular subscription probably at the top.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5580
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Posted - 2015.05.06 15:40:36 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Various reasons, 1 PLEX costing more than 1 month of regular subscription probably at the top. A PLEX is a monthly subscription, and it's ISK price is irrelevant against subscription prices. Consider that a PLEX on Serenity is over 3b, there's no reason to assume they will ever intervene by pushing for a hard limit on price.
Koniforous wrote:I don't think ccp aims to maintain a specific price, but rather, a specific rate of price increase. This. They intervene when prices rise or fall too quickly, and usually do so by trading PLEX which has been taken from botters and the like. To quote them directly:Quote:EVE Central Bank may, or may not, take actions to intervene with the PLEX market if its stability is severely threatened. - Important to note that it does not mean that there is a specific target for PLEX prices or money supply in the future.
Koniforous wrote:I'm more concerned about ccp's long term promise of game time via purchased plex, and how they plan to handle it.
I foresee a LOT more uses of plex in the future that completely destroy the plex [releasing ccp from promised game time (releasing ccp from paying back a loan/bond purchased by a pilot)]. Whether or not this will make prices rise though is beyond my scope, I would guess prices would rise however if supply becomes limited. But with ever increasing ways to use plex, new players would have to continue coming into the game for supplies to remain high and isk values to remain low. Something I'd guess won't happen unless ccp does something like blizzard did with cataclysm and change their entire eve universe upside down (a path we seem to be on.) I think it's pretty safe to say that PLEX for game time will continue as normal. As for other uses, I'm sure they will add more as time goes on, it's a pretty good way of running purchases. That PLEX will rise in prices is a certainty regardless. PLEX price generally goes up, it always will. I'll honestly be surprised if we don't see the 1b PLEX this year.
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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.05.06 16:22:51 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:A PLEX is a monthly subscription, and it's ISK price is irrelevant against subscription prices. Consider that a PLEX on Serenity is over 3b, there's no reason to assume they will ever intervene by pushing for a hard limit on price.
CCP doesn't directly manage the Chinese server, though. CCP earns more cold, hard cash per PLEX used than if that person were to subscribe through a credit card. Especially when you consider the discounts they give for buying multiple months at the same time. If you take into account that economics stats that CCP released show that EVE's economy is deflationary, the only conclusion is that PLEX is currently massively overpriced due to upwards manipulation. The question is, where will CCP draw the line, since it's directly tied to their profit as a company.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.06 16:49:28 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:CCP doesn't directly manage the Chinese server, though. CCP earns more cold, hard cash per PLEX used than if that person were to subscribe through a credit card. Especially when you consider the discounts they give for buying multiple months at the same time. If you take into account that economics stats that CCP released show that EVE's economy is deflationary, the only conclusion is that PLEX is currently massively overpriced due to upwards manipulation. The question is, where will CCP draw the line, since it's directly tied to their profit as a company. But why would they draw a line? If anything, they want prices to be higher, as someone is more likely to buy an extra PLEX to sell for 3b isk than they are to sell one for 800m. I honestly don't think CCP will ever intervene beyond what they currently do, which is to slow down rapid spikes and falls in price, which they purely do to keep the economy from crashing.
There's a bit of truth though to the manipulation in that a large number of PLEX are held by traders and a lot are actively traded, but the primary driver for the continuous uptick in price is what people are willing to pay for purchase and consumption.
As it stands PLEX are actually pretty cheap. You can PLEX an account with a highsec miner playing semi-AFK for 2.5 hours a day can PLEX every month. That's one of the lowest forms of income, and you can still PLEX an account in a relatively small amount of playtime. I think it will be a long time before PLEX hits any form of ceiling.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.05.06 16:56:56 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:CCP doesn't directly manage the Chinese server, though. CCP earns more cold, hard cash per PLEX used than if that person were to subscribe through a credit card. Especially when you consider the discounts they give for buying multiple months at the same time. If you take into account that economics stats that CCP released show that EVE's economy is deflationary, the only conclusion is that PLEX is currently massively overpriced due to upwards manipulation. The question is, where will CCP draw the line, since it's directly tied to their profit as a company. But why would they draw a line? If anything, they want prices to be higher, as someone is more likely to buy an extra PLEX to sell for 3b isk than they are to sell one for 800m. I honestly don't think CCP will ever intervene beyond what they currently do, which is to slow down rapid spikes and falls in price, which they purely do to keep the economy from crashing. There's a bit of truth though to the manipulation in that a large number of PLEX are held by traders and a lot are actively traded, but the primary driver for the continuous uptick in price is what people are willing to pay for purchase and consumption. As it stands PLEX are actually pretty cheap. You can PLEX an account with a highsec miner playing semi-AFK for 2.5 hours a day can PLEX every month. That's one of the lowest forms of income, and you can still PLEX an account in a relatively small amount of playtime. I think it will be a long time before PLEX hits any form of ceiling.
That is far too short-term sighted. CCP wants cheap plex because they want more subscription numbers. As it is we are dropping again at 2013 rates. Seeing average users down almost 10k from this time last year.
CCP wants a healthy balance where people will still buy Plex but not too high that people start leaving or hibernating accounts. |
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