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Luscius Uta
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Posted - 2014.11.14 10:49:00 -
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Quote:They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden.
In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately.
Highsec sucks.
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X4me1eoH
Battletech Technology
155
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Posted - 2014.11.14 10:49:24 -
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thera is nice, but too few stations, need at least 20 or more, and i think the system must be greater than this, at least 500-1000au radius |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
691
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Posted - 2014.11.14 11:08:45 -
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Dalron wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:They can safely re-dock and try again later. It is a nullsec system, you are not supposed to be able to undock in peace at any time without having combat backup in a nullsec system. If you want a hisec hub, just stay in Jita or Amarr. But CCP want to make this 'the place to be' fun and exciting. If you want a crummy system playing undock games just trying to get out to do stuff you can already go to NPC Nullsec. If it becomes the place you cant undock because it's always camped then people just wont go. Thera to me sounds like more or less npc nullsec without local and cynos. What's wrong with that?
It might even be an experiment to see how normal nullsec would work without local.
I don't believe station camping will be a big thing, because a camper without local cannot know what will jump on him once he triggers his weapons timer. Camping will be much more risky than being camped, because the camper cannot dock.
The bigger problem I see is that any serious engagement anywhere in Thera might just escalate into a game of luck because nobody knows how many other parties will join and crash the party.
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
232
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Posted - 2014.11.14 11:20:10 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Quote:They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden. In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately.
Kicked in the nuts?
- radically buffed income - bookmarks in space - compass - easier bm copying and management - persistent signatures - more connections - T3 subs swappable in POS - null data/relic sites
I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
173
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Posted - 2014.11.14 11:43:50 -
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Even if Thera will be camped to hell and back and the only reason to go there will be to die in a fire, it's still new content, so it's better than nothing. |
Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Unthinkables
176
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:19:27 -
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One concern:
The Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems - If these contain mineable ice fields, but there are no moons, then there is no way to anchor a POS to use a Compression Array. This means the only way to compress would be to bring in a Rorqual, which would have to activate the Industrial Core for 5 minutes in order to compress, without any kind of protection. The risk/reward here seems very off, and having to move uncompressed ice through a wormhole would chew up the mass much too quickly.
The Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems - if they have all of the features of the Standard Shattered wormholes, but restricted connections to Frigates/Destroyers (I assume by mass) then how would a Mining Barge or Exhumer get inside to mine ice and bring it out? You can't mine ice with a Venture or Prospect. (Others have commented on this already)
Quote:They will contain a new celestial debris field asteroid belt anomaly that will be larger and richer than most belts.
Please let this be ring mining for moon minerals.
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008"
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Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH Grim Enterprises
112
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:26:24 -
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Ghelisis Achasse wrote:I think I know where they are going with this, storylinewise. Lets look at this. "The Sanctuary" is the "center of the science research the Sisters are undertaking on the EVE gate." In the storyline, the Sisters have been studying the Gate in the New Eden system for a while now.
So, what is Thera? Thera is HUGE storylinewise, because it is simply THE SYSTEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EVE GATE, and the Shattered systems are systems that are close to Thera physically, showcasing the extreme power of the Eve Gate megahole explosion. The Sisters found Thera accidentally on one of their trips through a random wormhole, and built stations there to study the anomaly from the OTHER side. This will be HUGE, and if it is true, more fuel to the fire that W-space is ACTUALLY the Milky Way galaxy post Eve Gate explosion.
amirite Devs? :D
This has been coming for a long time , I would like to think that this thread was the seeds of Thera back in 2011 ..i give you https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29191 |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
691
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:46:11 -
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On the one hand the whole Thera thing sounds very intriguing to me.
On the other hand I cannot really think of many reasons to be there except hope for fights/kills. And if everyone is just there for the fights and kills, there will not be many of them. It'll be like a thousand bored lions and no antelopes.
Thera seems to lack proper conflict drivers. Doing anoms? Suicide in such a system, and can be done much better in one of the normal wspace systems. Mining? Not gonna happen. POS? Not there. PI/POCOs? Not there. Now bashing POSes or POCOs is not exactly great content, but *nothing* doesn't seem to be a great replacement for it.
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Snape Dieboldmotor
Minotaur Congress
36
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Posted - 2014.11.14 13:32:42 -
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Only 342AU? Bigger! |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:04:14 -
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itt people unironically asking for wormholes to be highsec |
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
106
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:20:26 -
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Ransu Asanari wrote:One concern: The Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems - If these contain mineable ice fields, but there are no moons, then there is no way to anchor a POS to use a Compression Array. This means the only way to compress would be to bring in a Rorqual, which would have to activate the Industrial Core for 5 minutes in order to compress, without any kind of protection. The risk/reward here seems very off, and having to move uncompressed ice through a wormhole would chew up the mass much too quickly. The Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems - if they have all of the features of the Standard Shattered wormholes, but restricted connections to Frigates/Destroyers (I assume by mass) then how would a Mining Barge or Exhumer get inside to mine ice and bring it out? You can't mine ice with a Venture or Prospect. (Others have commented on this already) Quote:They will contain a new celestial debris field asteroid belt anomaly that will be larger and richer than most belts. Please let this be ring mining for moon minerals.
or jump back to your hole everytime your ore bay is full. |
Luscius Uta
114
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:23:25 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:
Kicked in the nuts?
- radically buffed income - bookmarks in space - compass - easier bm copying and management - persistent signatures - more connections - T3 subs swappable in POS - null data/relic sites
I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it.
Most of the stuff you mentioned are general quality of life improvements that were not aimed at wormholes in particular. Meanwhile you conveniently forgot to mention things such as:
-ore sites being findable with onboard scanner -mass-based spawned distances -buff to sleeper RR
Of course, I also almost conveniently ignored the recent price increase for blue loot, because even CCP Fozzie sometimes realize s that he made mistakes and has to fix them.
Highsec sucks.
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
566
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:30:22 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Even if Thera will be camped to hell and back and the only reason to go there will be to die in a fire, it's still new content, so it's better than nothing. And here I thought CCP wanted Eve to be player generated content, not content they have to create for the players... |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
504
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:36:37 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:On the one hand the whole Thera thing sounds very intriguing to me.
On the other hand I cannot really think of many reasons to be there except hope for fights/kills. And if everyone is just there for the fights and kills, there will not be many of them. It'll be like a thousand bored lions and no antelopes.
Thera seems to lack proper conflict drivers. Doing anoms? Suicide in such a system, and can be done much better in one of the normal wspace systems. Mining? Not gonna happen. POS? Not there. PI/POCOs? Not there. Now bashing POSes or POCOs is not exactly great content, but *nothing* doesn't seem to be a great replacement for it.
This will have a fair few sites in there and is a challenge for people to try control it, and as it has no Sov mechanics you control it by force of sub cap arms, now of course some players may just want to destroy stuff that cannot fight back, but I cannot believe that the majority of Eve players want to shoot things that cannot fight back? The key thing is that if people can carve out a bit of space in that system and call it their own it will put their name on the map, and give them bragging rights.
In fact looking at it, its just one massive arena for groups to come in and brawl just because they can and its completely random in terms of what outside groups have access to it at any one point in time, so being based in there will give you lots of different people to shoot.
This is a reather wonderful looking test bed, I wonder how many Eve players are up to testing themselves in it?
Hmmmm does a ESS work in there, now that would be a contract driver and a half!
Ella's Snack bar
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Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
373
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:54:52 -
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Almost died from an orgasmic shock while reading about Thera... sounds great!!! |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
177
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:00:26 -
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Guttripper wrote:Jade Blackwind wrote:Even if Thera will be camped to hell and back and the only reason to go there will be to die in a fire, it's still new content, so it's better than nothing. And here I thought CCP wanted Eve to be player generated content, not content they have to create for the players... I have no doubt that there'll be a ton of player content generated in Thera. Mostly in form of killmails.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9009
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:15:28 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:Luscius Uta wrote:Quote:They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden. In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately. Kicked in the nuts? - radically buffed income - bookmarks in space - compass - easier bm copying and management - persistent signatures - more connections - T3 subs swappable in POS - null data/relic sites I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it.
It's just how some people are wired. Just like my ex, I swear if you gave her 1 million dollars she'd be mad that it wasn't 1 million dollars and 10 cents. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
238
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:22:01 -
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Luscius Uta wrote: Most of the stuff you mentioned are general quality of life improvements that were not aimed at wormholes in particular. Meanwhile you conveniently forgot to mention things such as:
-ore sites being findable with onboard scanner -mass-based spawned distances -buff to sleeper RR
Of course, I also almost conveniently ignored the recent price increase for blue loot, because even CCP Fozzie sometimes realize s that he made mistakes and has to fix them.
Because they have made our lives much more comfortable. On the other hand, none of those you list are issues. I still mine in our wormhole. Mass spawn distance affected **** all nothing. Sleeper RR wasn't buffed, it was fixed and now works like it used to. Even C4 sites are still soloable for absurd isk/hr.
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
106
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:23:24 -
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Dracvlad wrote: Hmmmm does a ESS work in there, now that would be a conflict driver and a half!
no bounties on the rats anyway so an ess wouldnt really do anything. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
504
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Posted - 2014.11.14 16:03:20 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Dracvlad wrote: Hmmmm does a ESS work in there, now that would be a conflict driver and a half!
no bounties on the rats anyway so an ess wouldnt really do anything.
Facepalm, oooops I forgot that, pity unless they come up with a sort of ESS to improve drops and actually apply a bounty via LP's for sleepers that only work in that system...
Ella's Snack bar
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DaReaper
Net 7
1234
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:11:27 -
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As ccp still has not answered my question about ice mining in the 25 small wormhole systems, I am going to imply that it either means they did not think about that, or they have something they might announce at eve down under that is not quite ready yet... otherwise...
how do we mine ice in a system where no ice mining ship can fit?
And if there is no ice in said 25 systems a clarification is in order. The only thing I could be missing is the max jump size for a frig wh. as the smallest barge according to the eve wiki if has a mass of 10m the cruisers start at around 11m mass. So.. clarification needed again please
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Asrenguard
Intermittent Stupidity
0
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:40:28 -
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So let me get this straightGǪ.we have 1000GÇÖs of wormholes that are a virtual ghost town, so letGÇÖs create 100 NEW wormholes, all of which have a Known space static so people can scan down these holes directly from known space and jump in and loot and pillage and never touch a current wormholeGǪ.. I give upGǪ |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1015
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:16:03 -
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Asrenguard wrote:So let me get this straightGǪ.we have 1000GÇÖs of wormholes that are a virtual ghost town, so letGÇÖs create 100 NEW wormholes, all of which have a Known space static so people can scan down these holes directly from known space and jump in and loot and pillage and never touch a current wormholeGǪ.. I give upGǪ Wormholers only have themselves to blame for the relative desertion of wormhole space. Intentionally exhausting wormhole mass to consume PvE content far afield of what your home hole affords has picked the ecosystem clean.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5561
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Posted - 2014.11.14 19:01:26 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Horus V wrote:342 AU and the sun will have exact same size no metter where you are Yeah! That's the one thing that always bugged me about EVE. It would be SO awesome if star size and light scaled with distance.
It would scale from blindingly bright near the star to too dark to see anything further away from the star. You wouldn't really like it. I guess CCP could add some kind of linear scaling.
I agree with you to some degree about the size of the star.
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3264
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Posted - 2014.11.14 19:43:49 -
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Querns wrote:Asrenguard wrote:So let me get this straightGǪ.we have 1000GÇÖs of wormholes that are a virtual ghost town, so letGÇÖs create 100 NEW wormholes, all of which have a Known space static so people can scan down these holes directly from known space and jump in and loot and pillage and never touch a current wormholeGǪ.. I give upGǪ Wormholers only have themselves to blame for the relative desertion of wormhole space. Intentionally exhausting wormhole mass to consume PvE content far afield of what your home hole affords has picked the ecosystem clean. I'm not really a wormholer anymore... did it a bit. I think the emptiness of wormhole space is part of it's charm. It's hard to live out there. The risk is lower out there at any given time in any given wormhole... but when things get dangerous they get REALLY dangerous. The risk vs reward is well balanced. The WH ecosystem wouldn't hold up very long if it was packed with pods imho. I think WHs are well balanced, and that balance is based on the presumed population and player behaviours. I've seen some really cool construction yards and operations in WH space... I think to myself "damn. Those guys must be RAKING in ISK." Then I read about some horrible eviction and think "damn. Those guys lost a LOT of ISK." ...there's balance. One of my biggest industrial hits ever wasn't even an empire gank... it was a convoy of Mammoths leaving a wormhole in lowsec one jump from empire. So close...
We don't know what the new player built stargate system is going to look like yet, but imagine if it could connect WH space. Think about how dramatically it would change the ecosystem.
Just a thought... I think WHs are fine. |
GeeBee
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
59
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:00:46 -
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my 2 cents for Thera - Have a permanent wormhole in jita that connects to thera that can be warped to like a stargate, it will get nicknamed the *glory hole* |
Emiko Rowna
Aliastra Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:06:11 -
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Meditril wrote:Almost died from an orgasmic shock while reading about Thera... sounds great!!!
Don't read what they put out today you will never make it to the end and I'm not cleaning that up.
The end of you.
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
405
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:32:14 -
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Thanks again and know put some fight generator in it :)
CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails
.... Open that damn door !!
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Malcolm Faust
Soldiers of Cthulhu
11
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:16:46 -
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RAAAAAGGGEEE!!!!!!
Seriously, I'm this \ / close to exploring all the old shattered planet systems and you throw up 101 more?
You guys have cajones, and it's pissing me off.
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Luscius Uta
114
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Posted - 2014.11.15 11:09:25 -
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Fozzie said that there will be no agents in Thera. I would recommend giving it few high-level R&D (and only) R&D agents, preferrably specialzing in Sleeper-related research.
Highsec sucks.
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